Delhi University Politics

stuka

my first post didnt make it..you write well..what i have seen tells me that student politics is the lowest form of politics..only the losers, ugly, weak and stupid indulge

why not write something about your hotel/restaurant education/ experiences?..it should be fun to read

sameersaab:

you were a JAMAATI? *faints *

SameerJB

`` was a Jamaatia, drinking Murree Brewary`s beer occasionally with other Islamists in Islamabad with never forgetting to say bismillah before taking the first big gulp.``

What a co-incidence. During the Ayodhya agitation we would put up posters of ``Mandir Wahin Banayenge`` and then go to Nizammuddin area for Beef Tikkas. It`s kind of wierd to imagine you as a Jamaatiya though. Maybe as wierd as my own past as a true believer.

Sadna:

Originally, my plan was to follow up with an article on the Rath Yatra. The problem is that my style of writing is lighthearted, and with what is currently happening in India, I don`t think that will be suitable. But I will definitely try.

I have a cousin called Rachna, but no sister called Archana :)

sameerjb, stuka,

Whatever be your past, I am glad both of you have been ``saved`` from your respective religions.

Hell would have been a terrible place for either of you. I am sure stuka would have bribed his way out, but sameerjb? :)

There is this very very interesting phenomenon of INVERSION. People exposed to a great deal of religious bigotry early in their lives often cross over and turn into human beings. On the other hand, kids with ``liberal`` parents or those ``westernized`` early, often end up as religious killers and mobsters.

Some of that makes logical sense. Still, folks, anybody else noticed, or better, studied this phenomenon?

Religiously unreligious and unreligiously religious, or

a proud non-Hindu Hindu or a proud non-Muslim or proud non-everything.

Prem

Ah yes the good old Mandal days, remember coming home from work on my bike being stopped by by a couple of goons who asked me not to take a particular route. The alternative as he very politely said ``nahi to aapki bike jala denge`` but fortunately I was able to reach home safely. As DostMitter points out it was rather sad that ``Weepy`` Singh had to resort to the mandalisation of politics in order to keep his seat intact. In fact ``Weepy`` Singh was a frequent visitor to our colony, so some of my friends made an anti VP Singh poster and put it up on the wall but it got removed before he could see it.

-Subroto

anNy:

``sameersaab:

you were a JAMAATI? *faints *``

...actually, it`s not that surprising....

re: harimau

{{You have to ask?

Man, I am losing my faith in you.

Definitely not nerdy. Nerdy girls study engineering.}}

no, some nerdy girls study liberal arts to become social rebels...and they are def not hotties...some are mean as hell, and they look it...there were even a few desi ones in my college...

{{ That is why most all the hotties on Chowk are Pakistanis. }}

..how do you know?...for all we know they have hairy moles and missing teeth...

RSaxena:

``no, some nerdy girls study liberal arts to become social rebels...and they are def not hotties...``

They don`t go to Delhi University though. Those girls go to Leftist Bastions such as Jawaharlal Nehru Univ, where elections issues are as vague as Support for Sandinistas in Nicaragua etc etc.

Semipreciousme:

Why would you not find it surprising that Sameer was a Jamaati?

BTW, the fruit (bananas) were for us. They are the cheapest fruit, and the guys collecting money for us wanted to save as much as possible for their own Chinese food and Kingfisher Beer.

Dost Mittar: You were at DSE? Man, way too highbrow. Did you also attend lectures at the India International Centre?? :)

AnNy:

Yes, student politics are bad, no doubt about it. The worst are UP student politics. Babloo Srivastava, an international criminal with links in drugs, extortion, murder, got his start I believe as president of Allahabad Univ.

Somehow, I suspect Prem might know a lot about Student Politics...Kyon Prem, kabhi Lexington, Mass ka chakkar phir nahi laga kya?

Roohi:

``Even Khalsa (that sunk our college festival The Tempest) or Kirodi Mall College didn`t take you - good god how badly did you do in your 12th exams?!! ``

Arrey, Kirodi Mall had become respectable by the late 80s with cutoffs rivalling Hansraj, and a shade below Hindu. How badly did I do??? Blush!!! :) Not brave enough to reveal that!!

Veeresh,

Well the day we the Pakistani Nationalists are convinced that Chowk`s Pakistani character has been completely submerged, we shall leave this site. Then all you Indians, and South Asianists from our side can indulge in as many dialogues as possible. Ofcourse without us, none of those efforts can be fruitful.

Thankyou

Sincerely

Yasser Latif Hamdani

Stuka:

Good article. Student politics in India seems to have the same mindlessness to it as Pakistan. Maybe a lack of more interesting available activities makes otherwise intelligent young men go nuts.

And contrary to popular belief(Sameer Sahib can attest to the fact), Jamaatis in Pakistan are well organized to the tee in student politics. Islamic fundamentalism has no correlation with ones academic exploits. The incredible number of Ivy-educated Richard Reid wannabees running around justifying acts of pure evil attests to the fact. The genius of obfuscation in residence hobbyty(who takes over the honour from Field Marshal(Hon) ROmair) is more than welcome to write a 6000 word treatise to prove otherwise.

later

-sac

``Arrey, Kirodi Mall had become respectable by the late 80s with cutoffs rivalling Hansraj, and a shade below Hindu.``

Really ? I graduated DU in `89 and don`t remember that ! Don`t blush, I was so depressed by my Math classmates that I promtly flunked everything in 1st year and ended up in ``BA Pass Course`` DUs version of Liberal Arts - where at least the crowd was not as bad :-)

I had a friend who went to St Stephen`s around this time frame but now I that I think about it , I dont recall hearing any Mandal stories from her. So what`s the deal the Stephanians stay aloof from the riff-raff :-)

YLH

What the hell are you talking about?? You only want Pakistani articles on Chowk?

YleH

``Well the day we the Pakistani Nationalists...``

Man, you must save a lot on bus fare, you are so full of hot air that you can commute by just floating about :-)

In my previous post, I described a brief account of my contributions to the shredding of the fabric of Pakistani society. I carefully omitted wevere events leading to permanent scars on the face of our society. In addition to myself, who and what should I blame for young and tender minds drowning in the cesspool filled with filth, cognition, revelation and delusions but with rosy outlook.

Growing up in an ultraconservative family where religion not only cut into basic necessities so that family can kill a fat goat every year and throw intestine and stomach out on the street for wandering dogs and cats but also provided an excuse for the failures to provide decent living by making right priorities. While we suffered, our neighbors cheered and respected us for being an honest, Islamic, sharif, imandaar family - in effect telling us to keep this sh1t up. So we did. We started killing two goats instead of one following a promotion of my father. Fortunately his dream of going to Mecca came after his retirement and I killed his dream by flatly refusing to contribute.

Jamaat-e-Islami and its student organ Islami Jamiaat-e-Tuliba are very well organized parties and represent lot more students than their percent of vote in the general elections. JI was a lackey of King Faisal (and his father) of Saudi Arabia. Saudis financial help was most instrumental for JI to follow its doctrine of Islami nizam. Saudis helped promote Maudoodi as great Islamic philosopher, helped him set up printing press, weekly and monthly magazines and pamphlets. JI strength was among educated people and students. All this plus being an immigrant from India made him quite popular in Karachi. Most of the students addicted to JI philosophy remained Islamists in practical life as army officers, police officers, Pakistan civil service officials etc. Personally I had been treated favorably many times by these old Jamaatias. They are loyal to Pakistan but their loyalty is secondary to political Islam.

IJT provided me the other non-ritualistic part of Islam which I did not experience being Muslim at family level, as I stated earlier it was mostly ritualistic adherence. Now I was well on my to completing my experience with Islam - helping run JI election campaign, carrying pistol and occasionally firing it in the air with Aaal-o-Akbar shouts, taking part in anti- ZA Bhutto movement and celebrating his overthrow, collecting money for Afghan Jihad to making lists of Ahmedis in the university.

It was chemistry (science) plus having the wholesome experience of Islam for 20+ years that I started having doubts about the existance of god. So I started taking interest in reading literature, poetry, few beers and lady friends.

It was not easy to get rid of addiction to Islam but I managed successfully in the USA finally cleansing my mind of this sh1t for the rest of my life. I still believe that Islam is the fifth best religion out of the five I know little bit about, Buddhism being the best!

And then one day another person at chowk came up with another Islamic philosopher named Sorush. Heck no! I do not want to waste another twenty years trying to figure out what really Islam is. Loaded with ``de-revelatant and de-cognitant``, I will not dare to go even near these allerganes; the revelations and congnition. I know it inside out and have lived with it.

While in Pakistan, they are still advertizing: ``We need few good men, ready to take a bite of the rotten fish and destined to be called Islamists``.

re: stuka

{{They don`t go to Delhi University though. Those girls go to Leftist Bastions such as Jawaharlal Nehru Univ, where elections issues are as vague as Support for Sandinistas in Nicaragua etc etc.}}

....i guess i always go to the wrong universities, take the wrong classes, join the wrong firms, and get the wrong seat on airplanes...because invariably there are only mean, nerdy girls everywhere i go...

Semipreciousme:

Stuka:

``Why would you not find it surprising that Sameer was a Jamaati?``

...smt along the lines of what prem was trying to say....

``BTW, the fruit (bananas) were for us. They are the cheapest fruit, and the guys collecting money for us wanted to save as much as possible for their own Chinese food and Kingfisher Beer.``

...whew....and here you had me worried that the policewallahs could be bought of so cheaply....:)