Delhi University Politics

For JB the defeatist:

``ISLAMABAD, March 7: President Gen Pervez Musharraf launched here on Thursday a National Policy for Development and Empowerment of Women and promised that womenfolk will ultimately be offered 50 per cent representation in the national and provincial assemblies.

``In the immediate context, it is perhaps difficult for us to concede to the request of the women to offer them 50 per cent seats in the assemblies but ultimately they will have it,`` he added. ``

Difference between you and Mush?

You only talk the talk... he walks the walk.

Ylh

re: ``Now coming to this topic of Jinnah/Gandhi debates. I find it rather hypocritical of the self righteous twits like Sameena Shah and Mr.JB not to mention that I never have taken up Gandhi debates, nor have I sought to malign that old`s man`s legacy until I am left with no choice. It is the Indians who make the comparison, Indian who berate the memory of Jinnah and then they expect me to sit around and not show the otherside of the picture. So go to Sulekha.com or whereever... but the fact is no amount of nonsense spouted by you two will stop me from asserting my pride in my nation and its founder both of whom are great and will always be great. Is it a crime to be proud of what you are? So much for the freedom of thought and expression these bigots preach in the first place.``

1. Do explain how we are bigots in commenting that the Jinnah/Gandhi debates have been ongoing since the last two years?

2. Who has prevented you from ``asserting your pride``? Esp. when you yourself have commented on my south asian self definition in a rather one dimensional way?

3. Dude, whatever your deal is, at least accept it. I could care less that you think I`m self righteous, or wear pink saris or listen to Zakir Hussein, or whatever. Your tirade is unattractive, tangential, inaccurate and I don`t have the patience that Dost Mittar obviously has in guiding you along.

temporal: yaar yeh kya mazaq hey. Neither apology asked nor accepted from you - Never. I owe you and Bilal Ahmed a great deal of my growing up at chowk. If anybody, I should actually apologize to you here.

What I should have written in my previous post was actually, ``Angst has been lurking from most of the posts because they are written with win-lose game strategy in mind`` and not, ``nobody complains angst lurking when thousands of posts have been attempts to defeat the opponents....``.

My calling Islam inferior is also like a daisy cutter in my arsenal. I use it only against outright vulgar and nonsense attacks. Other than that it means little beyond my own life and mind. Looking another way, how could I deny myself being a Muslim while considering Islam, the best religion. This would be paradoxical or hypocritical.

I have no doubt that our understanding and mutual respect transcends such minor difference of opinions.

Regards,

Sameer

Saminashah: I agree with you on most issues. It is a great pleasure having a person with higher intellect level and such a clear conscience with powerful reason. Please keep sharing and passing on your knowledge and wisdom to all who are willing to improve their level of understanding. Thanks a lot.

Regards,

Sameer

AnNy: I have already used up my reservoir of apology and thanks leaving nothing for you. Just kidding! You have connected well with diverse people here and this is an asset. It is neither necessary nor important to agree with anything you read here or elsewhere. The point is that you do not reject out of hand and neither sarcastic in disagreeing. It means that it does get to your mind as additional information and then you let your mind decide the weightage or importance of it. Stay focused, prudent and open minded.

Regards,

Sameer

More Fertile Imagination of the South Asian:

``Dude, whatever your deal is, at least accept it. I could care less that you think I`m self righteous, or wear pink saris or listen to Zakir Hussein, or whatever. Your tirade is unattractive, tangential, inaccurate and I don`t have the patience that Dost Mittar obviously has in guiding you along.``

1) Where have I objected to your wearing of Pink Saris? I could care less if you wear a Pink Sari (once upon a time my mother`s favorite dress of choice) or listen to Zakir Husain, a tabla player of rather mediocre quality. I listen to Indian Music, does that mean I am a south asianist?

2) My deal is that whereas the expats of India take every opportunity to berate Pakistan and elevate India, you the Pakistani Ex pats who should, if not berate India, elevate Pakistan are either too busy with your Goody goody `South Asian` nonsense or are too involved in the Islamic Preaching. What about Pakistan?

3) What in my tirade is `inaccurate`. I think my tirade is all together too true and too late. The train has already left. Tonight there is South Asian Unity show in Rutgers, the same South Asian Unity Show I had made a point to include Pakistani Students Association in... but the shameless bigotry of your `South Asian counterparts` from India continues... The only three nations represented in SAUS are Pakistan India and Bangladesh. The 4 smaller nations are no where to be seen. This again gives credence to my theory the whole `South Asian Unity` is another name for `let us undo partition nonsense.

I will make it clear one more time. Pakistan is part of South Asia and I am proud to be a South Asian but not the South Asian Indians want us to be. South Asia to Indians means India... South Asia that I belong to has 7 sovereign distinct nations and several cultures! Therefore if they are going to insist on a 3 Nation Indian South Asia... I will only resist such nonsense. You, Samina Shah, are the pawn in the Indian design. They marginalize our brightest minds in the name of South Asia and Humanism, while continuing to bash Pakistan elsewhere. The INDIAN conception of South Asia is a grand conspiracy against Pakistan.

Long Live Pakistan

anNy,

You should use your new found enlightenment to a noble end. People like Sameer and others have fled the country. You should become the harbinger of change... change Pakistan.. make it retake the course of Moderation and tolerance... make it a liberal secular Democracy with equal rights for all.

Now that you have figured out Islam is not the Mukammal and Behtareen deen No need to berate Islam. It is the faith of millions in Pakistan. Any such attempt would be counter-productive. Imbibe the best out of its teaching and leave the rest. Use those teachings to further the aims of equality, fraternity and social justice.

I hope to see you as a soldier in the fight for the heart and soul of Pakistan, and not a coward hiding in the suburbs of New York.

Long Live Pakistan

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[Now that you have figured out Islam is not the Mukammal and Behtareen deen No need to berate Islam. It is the faith of millions in Pakistan. Any such attempt would be counter-productive. Imbibe the best out of its teaching and leave the rest. Use those teachings to further the aims of equality, fraternity and social justice.]

That attitude tells why nothing ever changes in Muslim majority countries. We never dare question fundamentals. It is always ``don`t berate. It would be counter-productive.``

[Between fear and political correctness, it`s not possible to say anything other than sugary nonsense about Islam,`` said one scholar at an American university who asked not to be named, referring to the threatened violence.]

They threaten violence even in countries without Muslim majorities. We are doomed to be most backward individuals.

Stuka,
I was present when Rajiv Goawami died, I also broke few scooters.
Know this fact: He poured Kerosine over himself with the understanding that his friends would save him in few seconds.
His friends were BehnC@#Ds they left him to die. Everybody who was there would know this.

BTW, did you goto Venkatawara or Deshbandhu?

excellent article..hope that we can hear more from you about those days..