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pennathaur,

Time to give some sources for those inaccurate figures that you have put up. The fact is that you can`t.

The only reason India has so many minorities is because India had lots of them to begin with. The total number of Hindus moving east is put at 3.5 Million, the total number of Muslims moving west is at 5.6 Million according to Times of London.

The fact is that the whole exodus happened because the Indian government wanted to choke Pakistan at inception forcing Muslims to go to Pakistan which was based on Muslim Majority areas and not exchange of populations...

These are facts that you can`t deny. Indian Government was complicit in the ethnic cleansing of Muslims in East Punjab whereas your own high commissioner `Sri Prikasa` praises Pakistan Government`s efforts to protect the Hindus.

If you can`t talk on facts, then don`t talk.

Sincerely

YLH

Rsidhar,

My dear dear Rsidhar, Don`t flatter yourself by assuming that we are trying to compare ourselves with you. That is sacrilege for us.

In essence the question that Mr.Sethi is asking is which society is better, a society which has bred fundamentalism for the lack thereof democracy or a society which has bred fundamentalism exactly because of democracy.

I hope you will see the MAJOR difference between Pakistan and India with a clarity in abundance.

Sincerely

YLH

NAJAM SETHI`S ARTICLE IN ESSENCE ADDRESSED DIFFERENCES NOT SIMILARITIES.

Najam Sethi`s basic premise is that fundamentalism in Pakistan has been caused by lack of democracy and the fundamentalism in India has been caused because of democracy. So in essence Pakistan`s polity is the moderate one and its the suppression of its expression which has led to our problems.

India is an intolerant society the democratization of which has led to intolerance.

Ylh

Aisha,

You can hate India, I can hate Pakistan and all of us can hate Madagascar for all the world cares. All of us can feel smug like a bunch of frogs getting sloshed inside a well.

I am glad that India ``divested`` itself of Pakistan and Bangladesh after winning Independence. But I pity those Hindus still left behind. IIRC Hindus constituted 15% of the population of Pakistan around 1947 - today it is about 1%? In Bangladesh they made up 18% of the population which dwindled to 10% within the first decade of independence. While Pakistan drove out its Hindus; the Hindu minority in Bangladesh has been butchered and pillaged and pulverised - the latest pogrom happened when Khaleda Zia took over power in late 2001. Pakistan isn`t mature enough to manage linguistic and geographical diversity within its borders - what to talk of religious diversity. Your country must first become a constitutional democracy however imperfect it may be.

In India regardless of who you are you get to compete as an individual - and thankfully the sane folk greatly outnumber the insane ones. You do not know the Muslims of India - I do.

re: spout

{i demand to know where my beautiful and poetic post to suxena and ylh went....}

stop stalking us! stop calling our homes! stop showing up at our workplaces! else we are calling jacoby & myers to sue you!

...yasser, whatever your beef with saxena may be, please lay off the comments about “paindu” accents….it smacks of prejudice….

rsridhar,

You soulless bigot! Why are you being a maniac and trying to attribute that I was trying to make parallels between India and Pakistan!!! How dare you. My problem is that Pakistan`s enemy is way below our standard. As far as the TFT editorial, Najam Sethi was beating those of your insane country who talk out of their butts. Read between the lines. Also he was saying that fanaticism is fanaticism no matter where it is, your egotist behavior is why India is a failure. If I hated India I would be rejoicing that there are people like you in it. But this is a global tragedy that you are so full of yourself.

Mera mu na khulwao, I am really sleepless about the killings and Riots. I am shocked at the degree of vindication you have provided for the fundamentalist nature of India and for our creation, but after all these years of deception of Secularism?! That is the scandal! Get it???

Now shut your childish mouth!

Aisha Fayyazi Sarwari

And YLH

Get over it. Why are you always a victim of these fools trying to divert conversation?

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Chowk did not receive your posts.

chowk editors,

i demand to know where my beautiful and poetic post to suxena and ylh went....

i`m so disappointed, i didn`t even use a swearword.

i thought this website was about free speech. free speech my a$s.

Re the delusional hothead YLH

Whoa, just because you have multiple personalities does not mean everyone has multiple handles. But if you attribute inyourface to me, it`s just that there are so many who see through you. And for a while you confused Pmishra2 with the writer Pankaj Mishra. Pretty soon you will make this statement that Pmishra2 is one of my nicks.

Let me be honest. For every good point you make, you make a dozen boneheaded ones that take away the validity of your points. I have no problem with your secularist desires. It is to be applauded. But on the same vein, you go about insulting anybody and everybody who may not be in line with your thinking. That smacks of fascism...no, no, no, perhaps immaturity would be a better descriptor. Anybody who opposes whatever point you make is not a bigot.

Remember, if you want respect, give it. I know you dont like people playing with your nick. But as long as you behave the way you do, I will continue to make fun of it. Fair enough.

Re Young Loutish Heehaw

What was that crap in hindi/urdu that you were puking? the problem with you is that you cannot take a counterpoint without spewing and screaming. You are a total fake. A long while ago, you faked a retirement from chowk and a whole bunch of indians especially cajoled you back. Recently you faked an attack on your life over some cockamanie attack on mount rushmore that you heard.

Whatever point you were trying to make in your language, the fact is you overreact and a whole lot of us do get a kick out of it. Grow up, but then, that is asking a lot of you.

re: ylh

on seeking psychiatric help:

a) i am not the one paranoid about all the chowkies being the same person out to get me (i.e. `rsaxena is ali2`)

b) i am not the one having hallucinations about receiving phone calls and making phone calls from imaginary chowk nicks

c) i am not the one fabricating sentences like the one below out of desperation...

`atleast I was born in a high caste Hindu family`

hehe...care to show us where that was written? i can point to the exact board, post, and date of each of your great posts :)

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Rsaxena/Ali2,

Seek some psychiatric help. You really need it. Those who can`t distinguish between virtual reality and reality in fresh have a syndrome affliction.

`atleast I was born in a high caste Hindu family`

Oh... so the atheist now is claiming greatness on the basis of his caste? Shame on you.

Rdesikan/inyourface

Kitni daffa baizati karao gay? You made some stupid comments a few months ago.. remember the one about Prem... Kitni baizati tum nay karai thee sharam nahin atee?



P-Mishra,

So tell me is Najam Sethi also a Pakistani nationalist idealogue or just a delusional lying Pakistani?

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sarwari,

In India, people (including the minorities)have the power to change governments at will. I have seen this happen so many times that i have no doubt that if BJP does not address the core issues (jobs, daily bread and butter issues), it will soon be marginalised. This has already started to happen. Riots are an aberration. There is no genocide against muslims.

Until a time when Pak has a similar structure in place where they can vote in and out govts at will, no amount of argument equating the 2 countries will impress me. In India, i see power of the people unfold everytime there is an election. In Pak, all i see is an idiotic despot who calls himself President tell others how to run democracy.

Sridhar

Urstruly,

``..Mr. Ansaar Barni, the Chairman of Ansar Barni Welfare Trust..``

There`s a politician who`s honest!