Abr ka Tukra

Re: tahmed, #87

``Warclouds are hovering over India and Pakistan, and big international crisis everywhere, and you are doing foreplay with bijli!!``

No devastation has stopped the humans, or the animals, for that matter, from procreating. I`m no exception! And I can imagine foreplay with Bijli! Aisaa current maaray gi! My hair will stand up, among other things!!!

As for India and Pakistan, I`m sick of their infantile behavior. If I were not from that part of the world, I`d be laughing on their ignorant behavior rather than crying. If these two idiots are at each other`s throat, there`s nothing I can do. I`ll let the civilized ones, ie, the Europeans and the Americans, talk to these lunatics and hope they come to their senses.

Godot #80 you write to bijli ``Men like me don`t need Viagra. Want some of me? Bet you won`t forget! Just foreplay will put you in heaven! ``

Aji Godot sahib. Aap naiN had kar di. Warclouds are hovering over India and Pakistan, and big international crisis everywhere, and you are doing foreplay with bijli!!

FYI Sec. of state, Colin Powell is a graduate of CUNY...

PS I still don`t understand why `Humanism` must be exclusive to `South Asia`... Why not the world?

Dear Samina Shah,

I think I have made it very clear on many occasions that it is not the concept of `South Asian` identity that is the problem, but its `misuse`. I personally want no part of it, but by that token I don`t wish to stop you from associating on this basis, though I regret that an individual of your eloquence (and possible brilliance, which I can`t comment on given that I don`t know you) is associating herself with an identity that in the long run will benefit no one. How about by presenting yourself as a Pakistani, you show how humanist Pakistanis are, thereby undoing these horrible stereotypes that the media has created? That is the way, I would have liked it.

You say the `South Asian community` is beneficial in addressing the question of `Hindu Fundamentalism`... I want to address this issue to on many levels:

1) As Pakistanis we addressed the question of Hindu fundamentalism a long time ago (Some 55 years ago to be exact, Mahasabha, Extreme elements of the Congress etc ).. now `Hindu` fundamentalism is not our problem. Our problem is Islamic fundamentalism, which will only be countered by a modern outwardlooking secular Pakistani identity. No other identity will be able to undercut this. Why do you think I am supported by say Patrick.. because Patrick realizes that secular pakistani nationalism is the real true answer to `islamic` fundamentalism.

2) `Hindu fundamentalism` is an abstract concept. It covers a wide spectrum involved.According to Dr.B R Ambedkar, Principal architect of India`s constitution, Even the most moderate and `multicultural` face of India ie Gandhi, was a Hindu fundamentalist. So how do you or how can you distinguish between someone who speaks of `South Asian identity` deeming muslims and/or Pakistanis to misguided younger brothers who will come back to the bosom of Hindumat and/or Bharat Mata, and those just want to nuke Pakistanis and even Indian Muslims out of existence. Granted the first one is more gentle type, non violent type, but the ideology is all the same.



The bottom line is that Hindu Fundamentalism might be a threat, but it is not a threat to us. It is a threat to India`s own secularism or supposed secularism whatever you might call it.

Our enemy is the `Islamic` fundamentalism.. which is not only a threat to the Pakistani secularists, but moderate Muslims as well.

I am glad we agree on something .. I am sure we also agree on the need of a secular democratic progressive forwardlooking and free thinking Pakistan... don`t we?

-YLH

re: harpreet

{Any suggestions of who it was?}

...hamidm...i`m sure of it...

Rehan #67:

Here`s the first verse from Somnath that I know of:

Ik ne ik but to har ek dil mein chupa hota hai Uske sau namoN mein ek nam khuda hota hai -

One of my favorite ghazals is Woh taigh mill gayee:

Woh taigh mill gayee jis sey hua hay qatL mera

kisi kay haath ka is par nishaaN nahi milta

Jo ik khuda nahi milta to itna maatam kyooN

yehaan to koi mera hum zubaaN nahi milta

kharRa hoonh kub sey mein chehroN kay jungle mein

tumharey chehrey ka kuch bhi beyaaN nahi milta

nayee zameen naya aasmaN bhi mill jaye

naye bashar ka keheen kuch nishaaN nahi milta.

Rehan #67:

Here`s the first verse from Somnath that I know of:

Ik ne ik but to har ek dil mein chupa hota hai Uske sau namoN mein ek nam khuda hota hai -

One of my favorite ghazals is Woh taigh mill gayee:

Woh taigh mill gayee jis sey hua hay qatL mera

kisi kay haath ka is par nishaaN nahi milta

Jo ik khuda nahi milta to itna maatam kyooN

yehaan to koi mera hum zubaaN nahi milta

kharRa hoonh kub sey mein chehroN kay jungle mein

tumharey chehrey ka kuch bhi beyaaN nahi milta

nayee zameen naya aasmaN bhi mill jaye

naye bashar ka keheen kuch nishaaN nahi milta.

Re: saminashah, #75

``that was a fabulous translation you did a while back on Chowk``

Thanks, Samina. You are a friend.

PS: Don`t mind Bijli. She`s looking for trouble.

Godot,

re: Bijli`s warning

``Now still young ,atleast FOR `down the hill -with 3rd leg -pot belly- balding- senior citizen` SAminashah``

Its NOT true!

I keep my Reka wig on most of the time...I don`t consume enough food to have a pot belly-my dentures keep falling out!..and those senior citizens benefits provide free bus fare all over NYC! You young uns should stick with me! Mr. S and I will show you the Geritol lights of the city! My culture references have already experienced at comeback! I`m getting sleepy now, so I going to take a rest...

saminashah,

why don`t these demonstrations (the Shabana

Azmi one) happen on weekends?

anyway, thanks for the info.

didn`t realize there were so many Chowkies here from the tri-state area?

is there anyone from Queens here, or is familiar with Queens?

``Like I expect anNy to be wearing pink cropped shimmery things``

LOL..i got the prettiest, most chichoree shimmery pink chappals with these silver bells and thread work on it just yesterday...bohat khoobsoorat..this is not good, iv become much too predictable...aur drumz will be wearing a matching earing and nose ring set im sending him with some charas

exams got over today...yayy..write you soon

bijlijee

sweetness, why you interfere where neeed to not? godot doll but very violent and i hear he laraaka also..maar par jae gee...keep shattap haan?

this is tiring...lajwanti, take over babe

p.s: btw, samina is possibly the nicest looking aqalmand aurat that lives...your jaws, all 12 of them will drop when you see her and you will feel most stupid..trust me on this one

Re: Bijli, #78

``Is it Viagra``

Men like me don`t need Viagra. Want some of me? Bet you won`t forget! Just foreplay will put you in heaven! Your river will be overflowing before the Main Event! I guarantee that!!!

PS: I respect Samina. But I don`t respect you. Works for me even better!!!

RSaxena#: 68

[re: saminashah

{anyhoo, this huge motorcycle guy was standing behind our group of friends wearing a huge black Mexican cowboy`s hat, black leather, black hog boots, a million Harley pins and a handlebar mustachio you could hang a week`s worth of laundry on...}

was it somebody from chowk?]

- hehehe

Sax, you are hilarious

Any suggestions of who it was?

-h-