Ali Hasan Cemendtaur May 18, 2002
#3 Posted by rafay_alam on May 19, 2002 2:45:35 pm
I`ll have to disagree wirh Prem (No. 2). The writer seems to have conceptual clarity of what is, essentially, constitutional law. It is similar in form to what contractual (both social and otherwise) theorists harp on about. However, it does not refer to them. In other words, it is a new way of thinking, which is good.
Also, as for as the recognition of people as ``groups`` is concerned, both the Indian and the Pakistani Supreme Courts (and, I think, the Bangladeshi Courts) have recognized such a character. It is basis of the ``public interest litigation`` in those countries.
Rafay Alam
Also, as for as the recognition of people as ``groups`` is concerned, both the Indian and the Pakistani Supreme Courts (and, I think, the Bangladeshi Courts) have recognized such a character. It is basis of the ``public interest litigation`` in those countries.
Rafay Alam
#2 Posted by Prem on May 19, 2002 3:19:56 am
Funny, I have thought along similar lines but over an exactly opposite concern.
How can different people live peacefully in a modern society, instead of how we can best separate one group from another? Thus my concern is not so much with geographical boundaries as with human living.
Why is that more important a problem? Because human identity is becoming increasingly more complex, more multi-dimensional. So, it will become increasingly more difficult to keep slicing societies finer and finer.
Basically, the premise of this article is fundamentally wrong. It is infact silly. It speaks of ``groups`` as if they were individuals. It measures individuals along one dimensions.
It is the perfect recipe for fanaticism and fascism under the guise of rights.
History has been at that sorry turn far too many times. What we have in this article is old and useless wine in a new and useless bottle.
How can different people live peacefully in a modern society, instead of how we can best separate one group from another? Thus my concern is not so much with geographical boundaries as with human living.
Why is that more important a problem? Because human identity is becoming increasingly more complex, more multi-dimensional. So, it will become increasingly more difficult to keep slicing societies finer and finer.
Basically, the premise of this article is fundamentally wrong. It is infact silly. It speaks of ``groups`` as if they were individuals. It measures individuals along one dimensions.
It is the perfect recipe for fanaticism and fascism under the guise of rights.
History has been at that sorry turn far too many times. What we have in this article is old and useless wine in a new and useless bottle.
#1 Posted by DRUMZ on May 18, 2002 9:25:21 pm
1. One should recall the example of the Mayans, who actually had one of the most advanced civilization ever. They abruptly decided that ``civilization`` is not the answer, and basically folded everything up. Many indigenous people were able to live for centuries without ``countries.``
2. Look at life through this example. There is something (god?) on the top of a mountain who has caused an avalanche to form. It is approaching you, as u stand halfway to the bottom. There is a Group of people (country) 100m below you. Now, u can either, hide under a rock and be killed, or try and save the group by standing against the avalanche (and be killed). That dreamer sh1t doesnt fly.
3. Those who take power from those who have it will oppress again. This is the eternal cycle. It cannot be stopped, only minimized. Malcolm said ``the price of freedom is death.`` No jokez. If u want it, be ready to die. The only way out of this cycle is to REAL EYES that you are neither the oppressed, nor the oppressor. That no one can fukk with you, cuz ur God.
4. Stop the non violence vs violence. Use the most appropriate strategy. One should be ready to kill and ready to die (someone explain this to gandhi). Do not fukk with the wrong people, they will send u to the cemetary.
2. Look at life through this example. There is something (god?) on the top of a mountain who has caused an avalanche to form. It is approaching you, as u stand halfway to the bottom. There is a Group of people (country) 100m below you. Now, u can either, hide under a rock and be killed, or try and save the group by standing against the avalanche (and be killed). That dreamer sh1t doesnt fly.
3. Those who take power from those who have it will oppress again. This is the eternal cycle. It cannot be stopped, only minimized. Malcolm said ``the price of freedom is death.`` No jokez. If u want it, be ready to die. The only way out of this cycle is to REAL EYES that you are neither the oppressed, nor the oppressor. That no one can fukk with you, cuz ur God.
4. Stop the non violence vs violence. Use the most appropriate strategy. One should be ready to kill and ready to die (someone explain this to gandhi). Do not fukk with the wrong people, they will send u to the cemetary.
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