Of Errant Politicians And The Kashmir Cause

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Layman

Pak Chowkies please enlighten - who is the author Malik Khar. Is he somebody famous in Pakistan? There is no intro to him in the article

Mt #29

SPM#37

Poor Layman asked about the Author ,& you both Pakistani wrote the biography of Ghulam Mustapha Khar ...How many wives he beat or Nailed?

Musharaff also answers his questions to American reporter which is seldom like that.... until the poor reporter gives up . Hope Layman doesnt stop enquiring about Malik Shahnawaz Khar who wrote this article ...Good luck b/c two MT & SPM have miserably failed!

Sayings of Chairman Mao Musharraf:

``We,`` the president said, ``must not loose sight of the political history of Pakistan and the unfortunate experience of mis-governance of the past.``

Yes, yes -- ``must not lose sight of political history of Pakistan and the unfortunate experience of misgovernance```` -- by FOUR army dictators -- for 28 years out of 55 years of Pakistan`s existence..

````The president said that the purpose of inviting politicians and leaders of other segments of the society for consultations with him next week was to know their opinion on the constitutional package.````

The Inquiring Mind Musharraf wants to know -- folks.

what a great consensus builder.

here is the world`s ONLY -- politician inviting --DEMOCRATIC DICTATOR!

now that`s called the ``real`` participatory democracy -- `INVITING` the wretchedly poor politicians of -- the ARD to the RAD -- the Royal Army Durbaaaar -- for their 3 cent `opinon`.

magnanimity thy name is Musharraf.

who says Comedian Musharraf is a run of the mill -- Jumhooriat Shikan -- Gaznavi!!

````Consultations on amendments soon``: President

By Our Staff Reporter (DAWN)

ISLAMABAD, July 3: President Gen Pervez Musharraf will meet the politicians to try to achieve some consensus over the proposed constitutional amendments prepared by the National Reconstruction Bureau ...... said minister for information Nisar Memon.

Briefing reporters about the decision of the cabinet here on Wednesday, he said that the president wanted to take the nation into confidence before the adoption of new constitutional amendments by the federal cabinet and the National Security Council.

He said the president would meet the opposition leaders including those of the ARD with a view to seek their views over the new amendments.

Asked whether Gen Musharraf will invite the leadership of PPP and PML for consultation or there will be any pick and choose, the minister for information said he did not have the details about it and that he could get back to reporters over the issue some other time.````(DAWN)

Hence -- the 64 dollar question -- rozaiba:

will the Shere Kargil be Shere Dil enough -- to FACE his one time civilian BOSSES -- Benazir and Nawaz?

OR -- will he CHICKEN out?

Otherwise -- this Ship of Fools carrying the Hazardous Amendment Material -- is NOT leaving the harbor -- and if it does -- it will -- at Mr. Musharraf miaN own peril.

An Indian summer

By Edward Luce

Published: July 1 2002 20:59 | Last Updated: July 1 2002 20:59





American diplomacy has averted the imminent threat of war between India and Pakistan. But senior members of the Bush administration know that it is only a matter of time before military tensions flare up again between the two nuclear-armed neighbours.

The prospects of renewed tension were underlined at the weekend with the appointment of L. K Advani as India`s deputy prime minister. Although Mr Advani was already seen as the successor to Atal Behari Vajpayee, the prime minister, his new title is a timely reminder of the hardline, anti-Pakistani elements that surround the ageing - and increasingly frail - prime minister.

``It might be three months, it might be nine months, but we all know that India and Pakistan will go back to the brink again,`` says a senior US official in Washington. ``Maybe next time they will go over the brink.``

Until now, the US has consistently respected India`s adamant refusal of third-party mediation on its core dispute with Pakistan over the divided state of Kashmir. But having sweated through the latest and most intense bout of nuclear brinksmanship, the US and its allies are quietly revising their long-held position.

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1025534365666&p=1012571727282

layman…the most famous khar is ghulam mustafa khar..and if you’ve ever read ‘my feudal lord’ by tehmina durrani, not a nice guy at all…known for his many marriages…the latest being to a woman who’s about 25 years younger than him….he has many a offspring from his various wives…the most famous being the model, aamnah haq…and the most notorious being bilal khar, who disfigured his wife’s face with acid….

New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world/international-southasia-kashmir-pakistan.html

Rebels Aim to Hit Indian Kashmir`s Chief Minister

By REUTERS

Filed at 8:35 a.m. ET

MUZAFFARABAD, Pakistan (Reuters) - A pro-Pakistan militant group battling Indian rule in disputed Kashmir said on Tuesday it had set up a ``death squad`` to eliminate Indian-held Kashmir`s chief minister, his son and top aides.

``Our prime target is puppet chief minister Farooq Abdullah and his son Omar Abdullah and ministers of his government,`` Ghulam Rasool, Pakistan-based chief of the radical Jamiat-e-Mujahideen (JM) group told Reuters.

JM is one of the two rebel groups India banned in April under its controversial anti-terror laws and is also a member of the main anti-India United Jihad Council (UJC) guerrilla alliance.

Omar Abdullah is junior external affairs minister in Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee`s cabinet and has recently replaced his father as head of their National Conference party.

Report on Rights Violations in Kashmir by Council of Advocates International - 2002-05-23

The displaced people of Kashmir are suffering from the brutal suppression of Indian and Pakistani security forces, Terrorism of fundamentalist militant outfits, constant torture of local police and unspeakable horrors in the hands of ISI. International rights groups must intervene and extend their assistance to these unfortunate people. This was stated in a report on the violations of rights in Kashmir, here in Toronto.

The report was issued by Carmen Miranda, Co-ordinator, Council of Advocates international. Explaining the background of the report the Council of Advocates international said that in March, it received complaints of massive human rights violations from the refugees and displaced People of Kashmir living in Azad Kashmir and Pakistan. The refugees stated their Plight and said that they were displaced because of cross border shelling between Indian and Pakistan`s military, terrorism and violence.

Most of them were misguided and in some cases forced by the fundamentalist outfits to leave their homes and cross the border. Once they crossed the border to Azad Kashmir, they became Hostage in the hands of ISI and fundamentalist Militant outfits. They were forced to live in those camps with their women and children in horrific and unspeakable situation. These camps were built as showcases for international delegations and fact-finding missions to highlight the Indian atrocities. The fundamentalist militants used these camps for recruitment, shelters for foreign mercenaries, safe-houses and arm Storage. Refugees From the camps are forced to transport arms across the border and most of the times are killed by Security forces. They are unlawfully arrested, tortured and suffer from the gross violations of human rights.

In response, The Council of Advocates International formed a committee, which investigated and prepared this report. Council secretary general Hamid Bashani expressed his deep concern over the situation and said`` the government of India and Pakistan is constitutionally obligated to ensure the safety and security of the people and protect their rights. Their failure to resolve the issue has catastrophic impact and with the passage of time may worsen the situation. Following is the summary of the report: On February 7,2002, Mushtaq Ali and Naseer Khawaja were contacted by a group of Muzaffrabad based militant leaders. During the lengthy meeting they were asked to transport arms across the border. The duo refused to comply and were threatened with dire consequences.

The next day they were arrested by ISI and were transported blindfolded in a house where they were held incommunicado for ten days. They were brutally tortured and humiliated. Every single day, They were severely beaten and kicked with boots. After their release the local police started visiting them frequently and threatened to charge them with theft, arms trading and other criminal acts. During each visit, The police would beat them and ask them for money. They left Muzaffrabad and are now hiding in Pakistan.

Two elderly refugee men and a woman testify that two of their young relatives, Javeed Abu, 23 and Sameer Shaik 19, were contacted by the militants and ISI personnel and them same method was applied to recruit them to transport Arm across the border. After two weeks they received news that they were killed by security forces in an encounter while crossing the border.

Two Kashmiri refugee women testified that over the period of the last four months the local police and other intelligence agencies personnel`s have visited them on regular basis or asked them to go to the safe houses for investigation. Under the pretext of this investigation they were taken to different Places and were sexually assaulted and repeatedly raped. No case was ever registered against them, but they were threatened to charge with criminal offences. They also testified that they knew some other women who went through more brutal situations but never spoke because of the stigma attached to rape and Sexual assault cases Mansoor Butt, a 31-year-old displaced Kashmir reported that he was arrested by the Army (ISI) and accused of spying for Indians Intelligence agencies.

He was beaten with rifle Butts, Punched and kicked in the face. His only crime was that he refused to accompany a group of militants as a Guide to cross the border. He was kept in a Safe-House for one week during which time he was beaten every day. He was released after the promise of full co-operation Muhammad Deen, a fifty one year old refugee, tried to cross the border to go to his home with his wife and 16 year old son. He was shot deadby Pakistani army personnel without any warning or chance to return



http://www.kashmir-hr.net/mainfile.php/articles/111/

Muslims in Kashmir not seeking Pakistan merger

USA Today

SRINAGAR, India (AP) — In a dramatic about-face, the most influential and hardline Islamic political party in Indian-controlled Kashmir announced on Sunday it was not seeking Kashmir`s merger into Pakistan.

The Jama`at-e-Islami also said it had no links with Islamic militants staging terror attacks and strikes on military targets since 1989 and hinted that it could break ranks with other Kashmiri separatists and consider participation in elections.

The announcement was described as a significant development ahead of state elections in Kashmir. The Himalayan region has been the cause of five decades of tensions between nuclear-armed India and Pakistan and two wars. India accuses Pakistan of sponsoring the 12-year insurgency, which has left more than 60,000 people dead. Islamabad denies the allegation.

For five decades, Jama`at has struggled politically for a merger of Jammu-Kashmir, India`s only Muslim-majority state, into Islamic Pakistan.

However, Jama`at`s president Ghulam Mohammad Bhat said Sunday that there is no mention of merging with Pakistan in the party`s constitution. ``We didn`t ever even pass a resolution demanding accession since we have been working here,`` he told reporters.

The Jama`at is the only one of the hard-line Islamic parties in Jammu-Kashmir that has an organized, disciplined, region-wide network and thousands of members spread across the Kashmir Valley.

Bhat also said he wants to ``make it clear that we have no connection with the militants or militancy, particularly with the Hezb-ul-Mujahedeen,`` the biggest of a dozen militant groups fighting India.

Many Jama`at members have been arrested or detained over the decade on suspicion they were working secretly for Hezb-ul Mujahedeen.

Jama`at also expressed differences with the All Parties Hurriyat Conference, a group of 24 Muslim religious and political groups in Kashmir to which it belongs. The Conference, which opposes Indian control of the region, boycotted the last elections in the Indian state of Jammu-Kashmir.

Indian officials have for months asked Kashmiri separatist parties to take part in the elections planned for September or October if they want to prove that they are the true representatives of Kashmiris.

Bhat said that ``right now`` Jama`at has ``no plans of participating in the polls, but anything can happen in the future.`` He added that his party would not call for a boycott of the elections, which he said would be ``unlawful.``

The ramifications of Bhat`s announcement were unclear. In the past, groups or leaders in Kashmir have made announcements, only to reverse them later. At other times, new factions have formed.

Indian political scientist Haseeb Ahmad described Bhat`s comment as ``the biggest gain for the government of India since the onset of the militancy.``

``This is a clear indication that the Jama`at wants to reaccept ... the basic framework of the Indian democratic setup in Kashmir,`` he said.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002/06/30/kashmir.htm

the dckless fauji parasites come out pissing all the way.

nasah:

relax man.

when i first saw the amendments, i could only laugh. i didn`t think the source was correct. i didn`t think the faujis were so demented beyond hope.

after the intial reaction at the proposed amendments, i now feel that it`s all good. let the faujis try their ugly experiments. if after the referendum, musharaf couldn`t learn, then he deserves to live this unhonorable life with an aimlessly self destructive path.

soon enough, one by one, all fauji lovers will quit holding their noses and be willing to smell the filth of the fauji stench. i`m very happy that even the tehrik-e-insaaf has rejected the proposed amendments. since the parties that matter, PPP and PML(N) have done so as well, how I wonder will these new amendments be made part of the constitution?

We can count the hand picked feudals like Legharis and Jatois but will the Faujis be capable of holding around 300 members of the new parliament hostage and forcing them to accept? that will require lots of...guns. perhaps they will succeed there as well.

Right now, a good option for the main parties of Pakistan would be to boycott the elections of october. Even a better option would be to unite with the primary focus of restoring democracy without any of the new amendments (it would not be bad however, if the local bodies governments with functional rights are accepted). A united force of the main parties will scare Musharaf and his faujis and give them all the more reason to rig elections. In the face of unity, very few would be left on the stinking Fauji bandwagon trying to pass off as a chariot to the future.

the parasite faujis need to be put in their place. i liked that word `fundocide`. `faujicide` is even better.

What did I say about the amendments, folks.

Here is -- direct from -- the horse`s mouth -- the brazenly shameless -- master plan -- to perpetuate

army control of Pakistan civilian life -- for ever.

The cynical XCUSE -- ``the whole idea behind introducing amendments to the constitution was to block future intervention in the smooth running of the federal democracy``.

Interesting -- it’s like a fox plundering the chicken coop -- to ``block future intervention`` of the chicken coop by other foxes?

Here is Dawn interview with -- that clumsy sophist -- the voluble NRB chief, General Naqvi:

Army`s role in politics being formalized: Naqvi

By Ihtasham ul Haq & Rafaqat Ali

ISLAMABAD, June 29: Gen Tanvir Naqvi, Chairman, National Reconstruction Bureau, on Saturday said the role of the armed forces in politics was being formalized through National Security Council, as it was an open secret that the armed forces played a part in politics and their de facto role was recognized by the politicians as well.

He said the whole idea behind introducing amendments to the constitution was to block future intervention in the smooth running of the federal democracy.

In a panel interview with Dawn, the NRB chief said:

``The army has an unspecified, unwritten and informal role in the political affairs of the country.`` The politicians have recognized and accepted the role of the army in political affairs and turned to the army in matters of dispute even between the president and the prime minister, he said.

The politicians had been inviting the army chiefs to intervene for defusing crisis situations, he added.

The NRB chief was told that there was a perception that an attempt was being made to give the military a permanent partnership role in the government through some of the proposed amendments.

He was then asked why shouldn`t the army be reformed which had formed political cells in its institutions, he said the role of the army in politics was not because of political cells, but such cells were formed because of the army`s political role.

The NSC idea was to bring all those wielders of power on a discussion table. ``It is a reality, let us recognize it and bring it to a forum,`` he said. The NSC, he said, was a consultative body and not designed to supersede the parliament. ``Its role will be consultative, not (one of) executive.``

When asked why the leader of the opposition, who also becomes a power broker at times, had not been included in the NSC, he said then it would have led to the demand for inclusion of the provincial leaders of the opposition as well which, he thought, would have expanded the membership to an unnecessary extent.

When it was pointed out that some of the proposed amendments were being thought of as Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif specific, the NRB chief said these amendments were not motivated except by one consideration that Pakistan should have a better qualified legislature.....(DAWN)

If the Army thinks that by becoming the HUNTING HOUNDS of al Qaida HUNTERS -- they have the license to HUNT and TEAR APART -- the civilian political system of their country -- any which way they want to -- and the West –AND the people of Pakistan -- will look the other way – Mushy MiaN is in for some rude awakening.

The US MAY -- but the PEOPLE of Pakistan -- MAY NOT.

After the debacle of REFERENDUM -- Mr. Musharraf should have learnt ONE lesson –- DO NOT take the PEOPLE of Pakistan -- for GRANTED.

If any lesson is to be learnt from the fiasco called the ‘ referendum’ – it is – that Pakistan VOTING public is politically as sophisticated – as their counterparts in India – and they are -- almost fed up with Mr. Musharraf and his army -- treating them as CATTLE.

In fact -- the West is NOT going to look the other way – the Europeans the British and even the USA is keeping Mr. Musharraf under the microscope plus a tight leash for -- any DEVIANT behavior.

Mr. Musharraf and his army are under commitment to RESTORE DEMOCRACY – in FULL and in its NORMAL form -- – not in its BAZTERDIZED version – in Pakistan.

Pakistanis deserve the SAME version of PARTICIPITAORY democracy and EMPOWERMENT -- that its neighbors enjoy -- ALL OVER THE SUBCONTINENT.

and ……………………WHY NOT?

What did I say about the amendments, folks.

Here is -- direct from -- the horse`s mouth -- the brazenly shameless -- master plan -- to perpetuate army control of Pakistan civilian life -- for ever.

The cynical XCUSE -- ``the whole idea behind introducing amendments to the constitution was to block future intervention in the smooth running of the federal democracy``.

Interesting -- it’s like a fox plundering the chicken coup to ``block future intervention`` of the chicken coup by other foxes!!!

Here is Dawn interview with -- that clumsy sophist -- the voluble NRB chief -- General Naqvi:

Army`s role in politics being formalized: Naqvi

By Ihtasham ul Haq & Rafaqat Ali

ISLAMABAD, June 29: Gen Tanvir Naqvi, Chairman, National Reconstruction Bureau, on Saturday said the role of the armed forces in politics was being formalized through National Security Council, as it was an open secret that the armed forces played a part in politics and their de facto role was recognized by the politicians as well.

He said the whole idea behind introducing amendments to the constitution was to block future intervention in the smooth running of the federal democracy.

In a panel interview with Dawn, the NRB chief said:

``The army has an unspecified, unwritten and informal role in the political affairs of the country.``

The politicians have recognized and accepted the role of the army in political affairs and turned to the army in matters of dispute even between the president and the prime minister, he said.

The politicians had been inviting the army chiefs to intervene for defusing crisis situations, he added.

The NRB chief was told that there was a perception that an attempt was being made to give the military a permanent partnership role in the government through some of the proposed amendments.

He was then asked why shouldn`t the army be reformed which had formed political cells in its institutions, he said the role of the army in politics was not because of political cells, but such cells were formed because of the army`s political role.

The NSC idea was to bring all those wielders of power on a discussion table.

``It is a reality, let us recognize it and bring it to a forum,`` he said.

The NSC, he said, was a consultative body and not designed to supersede the parliament. ``Its role will be consultative, not (one of) executive.``

When asked why the leader of the opposition, who also becomes a power broker at times, had not been included in the NSC, he said then it would have led to the demand for inclusion of the provincial leaders of the opposition as well which, he thought, would have expanded the membership to an unnecessary extent.

When it was pointed out that some of the proposed amendments were being thought of as Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif specific, the NRB chief said these amendments were not motivated except by one consideration that Pakistan should have a better qualified legislature......(DAWN)

If the Army thinks that by becoming the HUNTING HOUNDS of al Qaida HUNTERS -- they have the license to HUNT and TEAR APART -- the civilian political system of their country -- any which way they want to -- and the West – AND the people of Pakistan -- will look the other way – Mushy MiaN is in for some rude awakening.

The US MAY -- but the PEOPLE of Pakistan -- MAY NOT.

After the debacle of REFERENDUM -- Mr. Musharraf should have learnt ONE lesson – DO NOT take the PEOPLE of Pakistan -- for GRANTED.

If any lesson are to be learnt from the fiasco called referendum – it is – that Pakistan VOTING public is politically as sophisticated – as their counterparts in India – and they are -- almost fed up with Mr. Musharraf and his army -- treating them as CATTLE.

In fact -- The West is NOT going to look the other way – the Europeans the British and even the USA is keeping Mr. Musharraf under the microscope plus a tight leash for -- any DEVIANT behavior.

Mr. Musharraf and his army are under commitment to RESTORE DEMOCRACY – in FULL -- and in its NORMAL form -- al Qaida or no al qaida – not a BAZTERDIZED version – in Pakistan.

Pakistanis deserve the SAME version of PARTICIPITAORY democracy and EMPOWERMENT -- that its neighbors enjoy -- ALL OVER THE SUBCONTINENT.

and ……………………WHY NOT?.

Layman

Khars are a traditional feudal family from South West Punjab - I guess the Muzaffargarh distt.

I have read somewhere that they were among the first South Asians to convert to Islam.

GM Khar was a former CM of Pak Panjab province. He is known for his marriages I guess it runs into the dozens.

One of his divorced wives Tehmina Durrani wrote a book.

There was also somrthing relating to the escapades of Bilal Khar who happens to be GM Khar`s son.

Not sure if Malik Shahnawaz Khar is related to them.

Mr. Musharraf`s `constitutional` amendments are intended to establish -- militarocracy -- not democracy -- in Pakistan -- a government of the military, by the military, for the military -- .

lots of luck Mr. Musharraf -- (you`ll need it) -- like the referendum.

Layman..

Observing by the last name, and reading the rantings of Ali1, it is possible to surmise that Khar sahib comes from the Punjabi feudal family of Khars, and is related to Malik Ghulam Mustafa Khar, Punjabi feudal, former cabinet minister as well as former Governor of Punjab, and known as `Lion of the Punjab` (an insult to lions, IMHO). And if I`ve gotten any of this wrong, I`m sure I`ll be corrected either harshly or politely depending on who`s posting. :)

Pak Chowkies please enlighten - who is the author Malik Khar. Is he somebody famous in Pakistan? There is no intro to him in the article.

http://www.indian-express.com/full_story.php?content_id=4930

In Genspeak, unity of command means one man gives all orders

Husain Haqqani

``.. All of Pakistan’s military rulers have thought of themselves as saviours of the nation. Their scheme of power has depended on their own central role and the exclusion from the political arena of politicians they took over from. General Musharraf, too, has declared that he will not allow Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto to participate in the October elections. Instead of changing the constitution or excluding leaders from the race, he should try to change the way politics is practised in the country.

Pakistani politicians look upon politics as an arrangement for the distribution of patronage rather than a process of formulating policy. To be able to rob the exchequer themselves, they invite others to share the spoils. Political loyalties are bought by doling out favours. They try and accumulate more and more power instead of exercising the authority vested in them by law. They victimise their opponents with the intention of eliminating them from politics.

Once in power, Pakistani politicians start planning to perpetuate their rule. They tinker with institutions without thinking of the day when they themselves might need the protection from those very institutions. Instead of allowing civil servants, soldiers and judges to do their job, most powerful civilians seek the promotion and appointment of family retainers and personal loyalists.

Pakistan’s political parties behave like warring tribes. Differences in opinion are described as betrayal. Refusal to toe the line is treated as a declaration of war. Disagreement with mutual respect is an important ingredient of democracy. But it is a trait uncommon to those who have entered the political fray in Pakistan. What Pakistan needs to change this is not a general acting, in General Musharraf’s words, as ‘‘over watch’’. It requires a compact among the major politicians that ensures their adherence to democratic ethics.

Losing office while respecting dissent and accepting the role of national institutions is not so bad as risking everything. Instead of trying to impose reform from above, and creating new polarisation, General Musharraf should sit down with major political leaders, including Sharif and Bhutto, and secure an agreement that they will not pursue vendettas against each other. There should also be consensus on non-interference with judicial appointments or independence of the judiciary as well as on amendments in Pakistan’s constitution...``