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dost-mittar

“YLH#231

You are one of the best posters on Chowk when you can keep your emotions under control.

Keep it up!”

Thankyou for the compliment. More often than not though, our friends from your side don’t give me a chance to keep my emotions under control.

Sadna,

By the way can you show me where Emma Duncan says she has a soft spot for Pakistan?

As far as the illegal immigrants are concerned… I am sorry I really can’t distinguish between a North Indian, or a South Indian, or a Marathi, or a Gujurati. They all look the same to me. I was informed that a lot of Rajistanis are living in Pakistan… does that help? I mean is it really that hard to believe that out of a 1 billion Indians many of whom are desperately poor, some would wanna take advantage of the ‘Local America’? As a Human Being I welcome them, but then don’t spit on our face. Jis thali mein khaten hain us mein ched nahin karte.

Your denial of RAW’s terrorist activities in Karachi is almost as realistic as my denial of ISI’s involvement in Kashmir. For the record I don’t think either RAW or ISI were involved in the recent attacks in Karachi, Kashmir or Dehli… those attacks are a part of a well planned conspiracy to take two nuclear powers, friendly to the US, to war. But RAW and ISI have been actively involved in the destabilization of Pakistan and India in the past.

As for the withdrawal of Pakistani troops… I think you are again avoiding the question. First of all the question might be of ‘which troops’? Secondly the Azad Kashmir government is a democratically elected autonomous government in an ‘ilhaq’ with Pakistan. Thirdly Pakistan would have withdrawn if guaranteed that India was ever serious about holding a plebiscite.Your statement: “So the resolutions are not enforceable either in letter or in spirit or practically, unless Pakistan militarily takes over J&K. Good luck to its continued endeavor to do so and sink itself”…. Shows that you are inherently incapable of looking beyond the narrow national interest that you have imagined. Let me inform you of a little fact. Kashmiris don’t want to be with India… that is pretty clear and accepted. They hate you. They hate your occupation. This is without Pakistan in the equation. Whatever excuses you might come up with these are the facts on the ground and you can’t suppress the will of the people for very long. You are no moderate, you are an in the closet BJP supporter. That’s what you are.

And now I read your Answer CLEARLY like the day : ‘India doesn’t hold a plebiscite in Kashmir because Kashmiris won’t choose India, and we in India, despite our sanctimonious garbage about being the largest democracy in the World, are not ready to grant Kashmiris their democratic right of self determination of their destiny and future, the right that the British granted our own founding fathers, the right to liberty and freedom. Because essentially we are of a Nazi mindset unable to compromise or realize that writs are established not by suppression but by the acceptance of the will of the people’.

And please don’t make another scapegoat out of Pakistan… really this is really boring… ‘If India is bad, Pakistan is worst’ is not the kind of logic you wanna put across to defend India. Pakistan might be more horrible, nay lets say Pakistan IS more horrible, but then Pakistan hasn’t made any sanctimonious claims to be the largest democracy in the world either. We are a lot of things, but we are not hypocrites, and the Military-ruled-Islamic-Republic-of-Pakistan is what it is for the world to see, unlike the claimants of Secular Democracy in our region.

-YLH

Layman 228

If I give you example from history you may appreciate better.

In early days of Islam, the Quraish were very oppressive on Muslims.

So Muslims decided to migrate to a place called Habsha (Ethiopia) which was across red sea from Arab. The king of Habsha was Christian who believed in jesus as son of God.

When Muslims reached Habsha, Quraish send their emissary to king to tell that these Muslims donot belief Jesus as son of God.

The king called the Muslims. The representative of Muslim read the Ayah from Surah Maryam (Mary). Which basically said that Jesus was born without father with the word of God. He was not son of God, but prophet of God. etc.

Historical account suggest that the king took a small piece of wood in his hand and said that Jesus was neither more, nor less than this. Anyway king returned the Quraish unsuccessful and allowed Muslims to live in Habsha.

TAhmed 321#

The point is not piousness or acting politely.

Can a non-Muslim be pious and polite.

Can any teaching other than Islam produce remarkable people and followers. History is full of such examples.

The reincarnation of jews after Maimonides and their struggle to survive is a very remarkable example. Does this means they can be considered Muslim, if with all their BELIEFS and thoughts they start calling themselves Muslims.

You are confusing two issues.

One is a matter of minimum criteria of Muslim belief.

And another is action.

I know of many Muslims and non-Muslims whose behaviour is exemplary.

Qadianis do not fit the criteria of Muslim. It is a different discussion that they are good or bad. My teacher, in my early years (upto class 8th) was Qadiani. I not only respect him like father, but I respect him much more for creating a love for literature. (otherwise I don`t see any literary figures in my whole clan to influence me). He was an excellent man. I can do anything for him. On the matter of belief (which we never discussed), I don`t think I would consider him a Muslim. But that does not in any way decrease his respect or his place in my eyes.

It is not the teachings, but proclamation of prophethood and its acceptance which is the point.

Dostmittar #232

This is a matter of Imam.

Imam according to Shia sect (including Ismaeli) is a continuation of religion after prophet. And they are given high respect.

But you can argue on all matters, because their teaching ideally should not be in contradiction with basic teachings of Islam.

With Qadiani, the problem is different. Mirza claimed himself as prophet. You cannot argue because prophet`s words are divine.

There is no acceptance for any new prophet in Islam, even from the time of prophet.

Although Imams have been accepted from the beginning.

Ref Mullah321 #: 162

[harimau #154 In debating with sattar2, I question the Ahmedi rejection of what I consider to be the clear and simple point made in the Quran that Muhammed is the final prophet. This is my right and responsibility as a muslim, just as it is sattar2 right and responsibility as a muslim understand the message of the Quran with a clear mind.]

So you have a RIGHT and a RESPONSIBILITY to correct those with whom you disagree on matters of religion. So, why stop with Muslims? How about correcting Hindus, like the Sultans of Delhi used to do? What, most countries frown on murder? Too bad you weren`t born 300 years ago or as recently as 100 years back in Afghanistan.

[Unlike mullahs in Pakistan, and contrary to your assertions, I am not calling him a nonmuslim. I challenge you to cut and paste anything I have written, to support your assertion. And I am sure you will fail to take up this challenge...]

Did I say you said Ahmadiyyas are non-Muslims? I asked the question: do you think Ahmadiyyas are Muslims?

Here is the original post:

{Reply #: 154 harimau

Ref Mullah321 #: 117

[As before, I challenge you to find one - just one - of my hundreds of post on chowk to back your words. Indeed, I have on numerous occassions called for respect for all faiths.]

Oh, yeah? How about your debates with Mr. Sattar on Ahmadiyya beliefs?

Are Ahmadiyyas Muslims? Are thay to be treated as human beings?

Mr. Sattar would like to know.}

Is is just that you dance sufficiently close to declaring anything other than YOUR beliefs to be incorrect.

[...just as you failed to respond to my previous challenge to cut and paste anything I ever wrote to substantiate your assertion that I consider Islam to be superior to Hinduism.]

Again, it is a question of attitude, platitudes notwithstanding.

ylh #231
Lets see now.

I asked what language do those purported Indian immigrants speak? Simple question which a person giving authoritative information like you claim to be should have no trouble finding an answer. Are you infact saying through all that garble that the illegal immigrants speak Hindi or come from the Hindi-speaking regions of India?


Re Emma Duncan`s white skin.

Instead of giving objective reasons for someone to take you at your word, you prefer to abuse and discredit everyone who disagrees with you, even brining skin color into it whether a author of a book or a poster on chowk.


Reagans period was the 80s, the period after which Emma Duncan wrote.

Re Gandhian nonviolence. Whatever happened to Gandhi’s ‘Non-violent’ Army? Are you suggesting that the Chinese or the Pakistanis or the Americans are somehow worse than the Nazis … that Ahimsa and Satyagraha according to Gandhi should have worked with the Nazis but not with the Chinese, the Pakistanis and the Americans?

ylh, Indians are not blind followers. Gandhi was perhaps mistaken in thinking nonviolence would have worked with Nazis. Nonviolence willnot work with every situation which India has faced and is currently facing with the Chinese, Pakistanis and the Americans.

But the Gandhian principle of gaining the moral upperhand by refraining from violence and `wrongful action`, well, this proved effective to some extent by refraining from outright war in the Kargil conflict and in the recent military standoff. Without going to war, India has been able to put pressure on the use of jihadis.


``Have you considered why a self proclaimed Hinduvtist like Advani would want a confederation with Pakistan which he so blatantly hates, except that it is his desire to see Bharat Mata one again?``

Has it occured to you that Muslim/Pakistani haters like you accuse Advani of being, has no reason to want Pakistani Muslims to be part of his country? In my view, Advani has strong opinions on how to deal with Pakistanis, ie he thinks it only invites more trouble to deal with Pakistan based on dewy-eyed blurred vision of romanticism or thinking `large hearted` altruistic concessions. He wants a `pai-pai ka` hisaab and he is pragmatic enough to understand that unending enmity with a neighbouring country is not good for India`s progress.

If Pakistanis are so pragmatic and clever as you seen to imply, they wouldn`t be having the stupid hysterics and wailing bad Hindoo bad Hindoo like they do, every time Advani makes only a statement.

And as I asked before, what RAW activities in the recent times are you talking about?

Let us resolve Kashmir by all means, but donot expect to use the violence of jihadis and dead Kashmiris as currency.

Ref Umer Murtaza #: 161

[But as for the Buddhist killings, I was simply saying what the western textbooks have written. Feel free to correct me by posting a few links but I assume it`s your links/literature against what I`ve read. (I assume you`re not that old, so that you`ve actually witnessed the events).]

While it is entirely possible that isolated rajas killed off Buddhist monks for ``spreading a false religion``, the fact is that North Indians consider Buddha to be one of the 10 incarnations on earth of the Hindu god Vishnu. With the death of Ashoka who spread Buddhism throughout India, and sent monks to Sri Lanka, China, etc., Hindu kings ascended to power and supported Hinduism as the state religion, leading to the gradual decline of Buddhism. Jainism also witnessed the same trend in India.

[And what`s with the Dravidian bit? That was a sarcastic pun. BTW, I also took that from the text books. Dravidians were dark skinned folk just as you are a b-i-t-c-h.]

So, YOU have a right to be sarcastic but I don`t have the right to be sarcastic by posting about Barbie`s conversion in response to multiple posts in the past from various people about Emma Goldstein or Cat Stevens converting to Islam.

Dravidians are dark-skinned? So, what is wrong with being dark-skinned? Is that the mark of Satan?

Have you met folks from Kerala, Andhra or Karnataka? How about the film star Aishwarya Rai with light brown skin and green eyes?

By the way, all the Italians I met last month thought I was Spanish but then, Sudalaikkannu will tell you that I am an Aryan immigrant to Tamil Nadu.

You are just racist scum even more than I am a b-i-t-c-h.

Ref Umer Murtaza #: 160

[I demonstrated that despite what I could have wrote, I chose not to. It`s called self-control.]

An excellent example of your self-control follows immediately:

[B!tch!]

`Nuff said.

ylh #various
Its not that I think you are lying about the immigrants, its that I have never seen a single mention of such immigrants elsewhere. Which region of India are those immigrants from is what I wanted to know.

Which recent attack in Karachi are you attributing to RAW?

Re plebiscite, the UN prescription was that first Pakistan had to withdraw its troops from PoK and vacate the territory it had occupied. I donot see any evidence that Pakistanis are campaigning for withdrawal from PoK. Not only has Pakistan not withdrawn, it has drastically changed the demographics of PoK as well as gifted away territory to China. Apart from which a lot has happened since 1949 which has changed India`s mind. So the resolutions are not enforceable either in letter or in spirit or practically, unless Pakistan militarily takes over J&K. Good luck to its continued endeavor to do so and sink itself.

krashid #220 I think the most sensible way to ``decide`` (if indeed it is for us humans to decide) if a person is a muslim (or a christian, jew, hindu or any other religion) is based on the religious books (if any) he/she professes to be guided by. Since Ahmedis profess to be guided by the Quran, I consider them muslims. While I do not agree with their interpretation, I certainly consider their behavior to be far more in conformity with the Quran than any of the sunni or shia fundamentalists who call them nonmuslims. And for the same reason, I consider these fundamentalists to be nonmuslims given their blatant violation of the fundamental Quranic injunctions on matters of religion and their attempts to replace individual responsibility to God (as provided in the Quran) with the concept of an ummah where the individual is responsible for following self-appointed representatives of God.

This litmus test can of course also be used to answer questions raised by dost mittar - I dont know if the Druze profess to be guided by the Quran, but if they do then they are muslims. If not, that is fine too (since being a muslim is no big deal in the eyes of God, as clearly indicated in the Quran and contrary to the views of the self-appointed representatives of God in muslim countries).

PS:

Since you completely avoided my simple question about the plebiscite in Kashmir .. do I take it that you don`t have an answer? You just can`t expect us to take you seriously with your overwhelming jingoism, lack of balance and your outright display of hatred for all things Pakistani.

And what about Karachi... nobody considers Karachi disputed... then why is RAW so actively involved there?

-YLH

Dear HumSab,

None of the following is a ‘defence’ of Jinnah… below is a simple debate… and various point of views people have on the issues you have mentioned… whatever `Hagiography` I am guilty of was done in response to some people`s attempt to make Gandhi a God while insulting Jinnah.

“I agree to your point of Jinnah having all those qualities but he had lots of faults also as all of us including Gandhi and Nehru have/had.”

True … and Jinnah prided himself in being a mortal. Like I have said before, Jinnah was susceptible to mistakes… one particular statement which I am indignant about is the ‘typewriter’ statement… by making a statement like that he discredited the achievement of Muslim Leaguers who had by 1947 been to jail for Pakistan… ( analogous to Imran Khan’s ‘At the twilight of my career I finally won the world cup’ speech at Melbourne in 1992)… undeniably Jinnah had his share of faults like all human beings do… but it is his courage, his foresight, his complete honesty and integrity, his incorruptibility and his impartiality that make me admire him.

Was Jinnah a democrat? I don’t know… I know he believed in Civilian Rule and Army’s subordination… I know he was an excellent legislator during his 20 odd years in the British India representative assembly… he believed in freedom of press as is evidenced in the hostile articles published in even papers like Dawn and Nawai Waqt in his time against what they thought were ‘Jinnah’s dictatorial policies’. He more than any other leader in the History of Muslim South Asia till his death spoke out about women’s equality. And about the rights of minorities … he was a constitutionalist…. But did he want all executive authority centered in one individual? Maybe … Maybe not… It is quite clear that Jinnah himself would have preferred a more American form of Government… one of his notes found stated ‘parliamentary form of government has worked excellently in England but has generally failed elsewhere’. Does this mean Jinnah preferred presidential form of government … given his experience as a legislator in a viceregal system? That is for the historians to decide. Perhaps it is worthwhile noting that democracy is not only of the parliamentary Westminster form… though we know Jinnah held that form in great esteem...

``saara berha garq Jinnah da hi kitta hoya. Apne jinde ji koi second leadership develop nahi hon ditti kyonki khud dictator wang Party chalanda si te mar gaya taN mulq da kuchh nahi bacheya.``

First of all, just because someone is a journalist doesn’t mean his view is the gospel. Anyway… I agree that Jinnah’s inability to create a second tier leadership, a viable constitution and his assumption of Executive authority through the office of governor-general created a lot of problems… but could Jinnah have created a second tier leadership? It is worth remembering that Jinnah was an Urbanite ex-Congressite Bombaywallah while the Muslim League in the start was an elitist organization of the landed Muslim Nobility. In 1935 when Jinnah returned, he faced the enormous task of transforming a moribund league into a party of the masses. In order to do that .. Jinnah had to contend with the nawabzadas, the muslim rajahs, jagirdars, sirs and Sirdars etc who by virtue of Birth had greater weight and status in the Muslim Community… On the other Jinnah was a Westernized urbanite not-very-religious Muslim who came from a very middle class family in Karachi … so when Jinnah went about organizing the League he naturally had to employ all means to subjugate these individuals in his unity of command (though he went through the ceremonial process of party elections every year as an article of faith)… In other words he had to show the Sikandar Hayats and the Khizar Hayat Tiwanas, the Haqs, the Soomros, the feudals of Punjab, and Sindh and Bengal, who the Boss was… who was their daddy… basically. (Kinda like Ataturk in Turkey who had to use such tactics to bring the Turk Nationalists solidly behind his own unity of command).

About the Governor-Generalship… I agree that it would have been better for Pakistan if Jinnah would have become the Prime Minister… many authors have blamed Jinnah for creating a bad precedent there… though others like Alan Mcgrath (Destruction of Pakistan’s Democracy), Ayesha Jalal (the State of Martial Rule) and Khalid Bin Sayeed ( Pakistan the formative Phase) disagree… according to them it was necessary for Jinnah to be the Governor General … it is also put forth as a view that Mountbatten wanted the Governor-Generalship of Pakistan as well as India which was unacceptable to the Muslim League… furthermore there is conclusive evidence that Jinnah was forced by the League to play any part at all in mid June.. because after the 3rd June 1947 Jinnah indicated that he was going to retire from politics and live out his days in his house on 2 Mount Pleasant Road Bombay…

Was Jinnah a strong and almost autocratic GG? Yes he was… and as the authors mentioned above will tell you… this was necessary… he didn’t play any games to get to that place… you have to remember that people called him the Quaid e Azam… he was the one symbol of Unity, much more than even Islamic culture, for Pakistan. His status was above and beyond other leaders of the League … yet despite all these powers concentrated in his own person he didn’t impose a constitution of his will… he didn’t try to interfere with the working of the constituent assembly as Ataturk had done in the Turkish Assembly… all the actions he took were within the framework of the modified 1935 Government of India Act, never overstepping his authority once… NWFP and later on Sindh were sore points… history still hasn’t revealed why despite all the cordiality in Karachi A G Khan and Jinnah couldn’t come to an agreement… or what role the NWFP Muslim League played in the whole saga… Dr.Khan Sahib’s ministry shouldn’t have been dismissed if indeed he had taken an oath of loyalty to Pakistan as some versions say was the case… I have already explained my views on the Language issue…

Anyway this is one way of looking at all of this… but you and I agree that Jinnah was a mortal with qualities and flaws just like the rest of us…

Sadna..

Mind explaining how a simple 3 line question with no malice amounts to ‘wasting so much time on Mr.Kant’? Are you getting a regular eye sight check… cuz I am worried about you… Infact the amount of stupid answers I got shows how insecure Indians are about all of this… Why must Jinnah’s type writer be made an issue of?

I believe there are a few Gujurati Language papers published in Karachi… (I don’t think that proves my point though… since the inscription on Jinnah’s tomb in Karachi is also in Gujurati with a non-Arabic script)… whatever the regional language of these immigrants… you forget that they can also speak Hindi? Or am I mistaken.. because a lot of Marathi speaking and gujurati speaking Indians at Rutgers also spoke fluent Hindi…

“Did these reports say anywhere that Western aid didnot play a role?”

Did I say that Western Aid didn’t play a role? But the reports you talk about don’t mention Aid one way or the other… Foreign Direct Investment by companies like GM in 1950s could have been a factor though don’t you think?

“And according to me Emma Duncan had a soft corner for Pakistan. She says it herself too.”

Like I said I really don’t care what you think… and as far as her.. she said it and you believed it? Why ? is it because she is white… while you don’t believe us fellow brown skinned Pakistanis?



You speak of the exploitation of the Bengalis… Point taken… but Pakistani Economy’s Boomtime was late 1970s … (Afghanistan Aid started pouring in during Reagan’s period and not Carter’s … Zia rejected Carter’s 400 million in 1979 as Peanuts and Pakistan’s AID had been suspended all through out the 70s) the near 7% growth rate was ALSO achieved in 1993 before the AFC and the general Economic slump and after the US sanctions in 1991.

About NUKES… Once again I am not asking you why or why not India initiated the Nuclear Arms race in South Asia.. whatever happened to Gandhian nonviolence which Gandhi articulated in his advice to the Linlithgow something to the effect that ‘let the Nazis occupy England, get slaughtered man woman and child, but don’t give up in spirit.’ Whatever happened to Gandhi’s ‘Non-violent’ Army? Are you suggesting that the Chinese or the Pakistanis or the Americans are somehow worse than the Nazis … that Ahimsa and Satyagraha according to Gandhi should have worked with the Nazis but not with the Chinese, the Pakistanis and the Americans? The fact my dear is that followers of Gandhi like the late and great Dr.Kant and the Kabir-Bhagt APJ A Kalam President of India are active proponents of the weapons of Mass destruction. This is an ironic contradiction.

“ but he, the most `hawkish` Indian as seen by Pakistanis, suggests a confederation,”

Has it occurred to you that we Pakistanis, evil as we are, might consider this as a sinister attempt at ‘re-unification’ and the revitalization of the ‘akhand bharat’ which the Hindu fundamentalists think was vivisected by the crazed Muslims? Have you considered why a self proclaimed Hinduvtist like Advani would want a confederation with Pakistan which he so blatantly hates, except that it is his desire to see Bharat Mata one again? See the whole idea of confederation was valid only till a famous Congress Leader rejected it in 1946 … to reopen old wounds shows a sinister mentality on Mr.Advani’s part… we cherish our complete sovereignty… upon the solution of Kashmir we do desire friendly and even brotherly ties with India (though lot has passed under the bridge not just water)… but we consider all ideas of ‘Confederation’ as inimical to our interests… a word of advice: why don’t you ask Bangladesh to make a Confederation with you instead of us? They will never agree as we will never agree… so please don’t try to pass off thinly veiled attempts at resuscitating the ‘Akhand Bharat Mata’ as signs of secular moderation.

Why not sit down and solve the Kashmir dispute… why not stop RAW from fomenting sectarian and ethnic trouble in Pakistan… (since you never mentioned the nefarious activities of RAW in your posts, I won’t say a single word about ISI’s activies in India)… end the security turmoil… end fundamentalism in both countries… and upon establishment of genuine democracy in Pakistan WHY not exist as two sovereign Democracies working together on International/Bilateral forums to reduce poverty in our nations… perhaps reducing nationalistic competition to the fields of IT, education, arts, culture, tourism and sports? Instead of NUKES?

MORE ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN KARACHI

One should always read between the lines. Here is why Indians might prefer living in Pakistan illegally than live legally in their own country:

Emma Duncan says about the illegal immigrants in Pakistan:

‘They aren’t impoverished squatters, of the sort whose shacks line the pavements and cram any available space in Bombay. Many of the houses in the illegal townships are better than the flats the Indian Government provides its civil servants”

(Page 170 Breaking the Curfew Arrow Books)

krashid #220:

``As Muslim do not fulfil the definition of Christianity although they believe in jesus as prophet. No they fulfil the definition of Judaism although they believe in Moses as prophet of God also.``

This is a question I have been meaning to ask for some time. What is the status of Jesus Christ in Islam? Do Muslims acknowledge him as Son of God? Do they believe in the Immaculate Conception?

ylh #221:

Regarding Muslim League`s contribution to the freedom struggle, were they fighting for freedom for India from the British or were they fighting for Pakistan at that time? Anyway, regarding Jinnah`s typewriter, it`s good to see you criticize him, for a change ;-)

``This is not issue with Indians as such… but in general… when Pakistan was created, Urdu was as much spoken in West Pakistan as it was spoken in the East… It was not the language of Sindh, Baluchistan, Punjab or NWFP… as it was not the language of Bengal… It was chosen for its significance as a Muslim cultural language… remember Jinnah’s own mother tongue was Gujurati``

Muslim cultural heritage? Indian Muslims portray Urdu as the heritage of both Hindus and Muslims... I guess both are true. Anyway, Bengalis and Tamilians are the two groups most fanatically proud of their language and culture in India. Jinnah should have known better than to impose Urdu on Bengalis :-) I think he should have gone for Arabic as the national language - would be very difficult to oppose, and it would have stood you guys in good stead with the Arabs, apart from helping in understanding the Koran.

Dost- Mittar #224

As I explained in post to TAhmed.

For me and acceptance by majority of Muslims as Muslims.

History of Aga Khanis is actually history of Shiism. Where they have a split at seventh Imam. Actually they are Ismaelis (related to split at seventh Imam).

I have not much information on Druze (If they are Alavi they are a brach of Shiism also).

One of the basic tenet of Islam is monotheism. There is no partner to God. Anybody who makes human having a share in God`s power is deviating . It also includes people believing in miraculous powers of dead people (like Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri etc).

In my opinion those were pious people who influenced lot of people. It is the followers who started to believe to the point of divinity.

With this thinking in mind, I have referred deviant Muslim.

ylh #223
Re 7% growth
Did these reports say anywhere that Western aid didnot play a role? And remember East Pakistan had some grievances? One was that they were economically exploited by West Pakistan in the 50s and 60s, contributing to growth of the West Pakistani economy which was not replicated in their own.

That is not to say that the Pakistani economy cannot do well or didnot ever, in the past. But its better to look at ALL the facts not just the comfortable ones.

And according to me Emma Duncan had a soft corner for Pakistan. She says it herself too.

Talking of facts, what language do these purported Indian immigrants speak? Gujarati? Marathi? Punjabi?

And write what you want about India, but why waste so much time on Krishan Kant? He was respected for his public career as politician and activist and was almost a certainty for the President`s post but he is now dead. He would have been dead in December if the 5 Pakistanis who attacked Parliament had had their way.

Re nuclear weapons. India has to contend not just with Pakistan, but with China too, as well as Chinese-Pakistani cooperation as well as US-Pakistan cooperation.

I have no use for Advani myself, but he, the most `hawkish` Indian as seen by Pakistanis, suggests a confederation, about which btw he clarifies he means a confederation between sovereign countries, and what does he get in return? Curses and brickbats.

Two countries which have a lot invested in each other willnot bomb each other with either nuclear or conventional weapons. The sooner people realise this, the better.