ISNA 39th Annual Conference

Even excluding the longterm negative impact, what a waste of time (3 x 8 x 32000 hrs), money and vacation time. All to listen to same old blah blah, recycled from different mouths. Each and every one of these 32000 fools could have spent this money on themselves, their children, poor relatives, recognized charities or increased their savings. With this money, each one could have bought some good books and good misic CDs.
I think ISNA and OIC should be merged, sealed in thickwalled lead containers, otherwise used for storing radioactive waste, and buried at the bottom of the pacific ocean at the deepest point.

Naseem,

Excellent article. I felt that ISNA was a very inspiring collection of lecturers, especially Dr. Mokhtar Maghroui, who honestly challenged my faith as it has never been challenged before. I particularly liked the emphasis on increasing spirituality and faith and lessening our dependence on politics as the goal in all our endeavors. The naysayers are just a waste of time -- you may feel free to ignore them. We Muslims have to continue to develop a global consciousness.

But the best part of ISNA was that I met so many Muslims in America that are amazingly hard-working, intelligent, active and religious. Muslims in prestigious law schools, business schools, doctors, scientists, thinkers, activists, etc., all of them networking.

The article was appreciated for reflecting this.

Ref Reply #2 SameerJB

I couldnt seem to figure out where your animosity was directed. Towards the conference, the community or to the religion. I guess it must be all three. The alternatives to attending the conference as u described were spending the money on vacations or charity. I would assume that the people who attended the conference had the same objectives in mind. I am sure you completely failed to see that.

As for your last comments OIC and ICNA, i would recommend that you take these ideas to the ``world leaders``.. they would be more eager to listen to your insecurities arising from a deeply ingrained inferiority complex.

I can understand your liking for western norms, ideals and social practices, however deriving a stronger sense of association with it, by demeaning another community and its habbits doesnt suit any civilized individual.

PEACE & JUSTICE?

Mr. Randhawa,

Welcom to Chowk. Thanks for writing this reportage, which are desperately needed at this time.

At this time when anti-Muslim bigotry is being institutionalized in the American system, we desperately need more and more of the gatherings like ISNA. At the current time if these orgs choose not to become active in community realtions, and choose to keep quiet, there is nothingin the world that can prevent future Muslim generations from becomming the ``New Niggers`` of USA.

Now it does not matter whether you are a practicing Muslim or pork eating, alcohol imbibing ape trying to be more loyal than the king, the massive deportations and confinement in concentration camps is just a terrorist attack away.

It is not the time to sit back. It is time to show what you are, and what you beleive in.

Scout:

``they will die alone, and that all that is truly significant is their personal, individual relationship with God and the good they`ve done in life. ``

Jeez, are you sure you haven`t turned agnostic? I completely believe in what you say, and though I refer to myself as Hindu, the term has more of a community based rather than a religious reference to me. In a religious sense, I am agnostic. Do you realize the depth of what you are saying? Islam and Christianity are religions of the book and do not allow for such an independent thinking.

Naeem,

Thanks for the report and commentary. I watched part of the conference on CSPAN and some of speeches made a lot of sense to me.

I hope that hate filled comments like #2 won`t deter you from interacting here.

Was the issue of tolerance addressed at this conference? Did any of the participants feel that the form of govt systems needed to be Islamacized? How did the participants view themselves as Muslims living in America?

Dear Scout #1,

Point taken, though a religion that doesn`t believe in clergies and religious middlemen should not be boxed with other organised religions. No?

Of course, those who try to stop such stupidities as worshipping at shrines etc. are immediately named Wahhabi...but there you go. You can`t win all the time.

Best wishes.
Umer M.

Also, I want no stars for Urstuly`s ratings.

re: sameerjb #2

...exactly...

re: stuka # 5

I KNOW you are being mischievous there :)

NO religion outlaws independent thinking. It is true that Islamists, like their counterparts in other religions, have skillfully deployed endless, intellectually empty gobbledygook to keep many Muslims enslaved to narrowness and irrationality. But those days are coming to an end. We all, including Muslims, are waking up to our true relationship with God, to genuine spirituality, and the use of our God-given brains. People like Tahmed and many others (including Scout) are living, no, shining, examples of this great human awakening.

That doesn`t mean I oppose such gatherings. If folks just met together to address community concerns, help each other, pray to God, then all power to them. If, however, it is another expression of Ummitis, then these gentlemen and ladies/ or their children will soon be in trouble.

There are some basic laws of nature, and nobody - not even people with the best of intentions - can escape them.

.. .....since this is a brand new chowk i have decided to adopt a brand new identity - name, beard, maswak, watwani, lota and all ....... so i was there at this gathering of desert bedouins and arab wannabes with their women dressed in abayas and their moon faced little girls wrapped in cahaddors and hijabbs ...... they prayed and debased themselves at least five times a day, and then went on to eat biryani with their fingers and rant and rave about how their fellow american citizens do not treat them like one of their own ......... ...these fellow americans - irish, italian and horrible hindoo - were sitting at the bar, drinkin beer and tallking about taking down sad-am and osama and abdul who have been stiffin them ............... the ummah, caught up in religious frenzy, was quite unaware that their fellow americans were worried about other things like the baseball strike and the west nile virus and jerry springer .........

......... it was a most unamerican gathering - no hot dogs, no beer, no country western music and no fun at all ............ i don`t think i will go back next year ..........i`d rather go the southern baptist convention where the men discreetly drink out of brown bags and the women fix a mean chilli ............or maybe i will go to the horrible hindoo convention and smear myself with red paint and cow dung .............


............ and who is giving out thiese stars ?

Empirical: Thannks for your comments. I would leave the discussion of inferiority complex to those who consider themselves as Muslims and also feel the backwardness of Muslim societies due to obsession with organized form of Isalam. I am very clear about my disassociation from organized as well as personal forms of Islam.
Being a born Pakistani, I have the right to indulge into any discussion that I deem harmful to the survival, success, progress and respect for Pakistan. I do not care about non-Pakistani participants of ISNA meeting because they are not my concern. For Pakistanis many better avenues are present to be heard politically, like south Asian, Asian American or Pakistani Americans. Culturally also many organizations like Urdu, Panjabi, Pushtu, Balochi, Sindhi, Pakistani organizations provide food for identity and culture hunger. ISNA can not ne any substitute for identity, culture, political or even spiritual because the spiritual aspects take back seat in ISNA. It is a shame and pathetic that some 2-4 million American Muslims have insecurities and need ISNA. It represents infwriority complex as well as clearly differentiating and opposing majority value system. What they do not realize is that majority value system is a successful one and their presence here is a testament to that success. They do not want to accept, adopt, respect, learn or merge but want to be understood, respected and treated as equal despite obsession with a distinct failed social value system. Such insecurities are common to much smaller groups like Hare Krishna, New Agers etc.
Fortunately most of the Pakistani Muslims do not buy this radically opposed and hateful inside and moderately understanding outside approach of ISNA and the likes.
This is the worst kind of hypocritical bunch. At home they teach their children to be wary of successful culture and brag about the superiority of a system whose failure caused them to immigrate to the heathen successful cultures on the first place. Given the choice more than half the Muslim population of the world would run away from Muslim majority countries for the sake of becoming a minority. Once accepted, they try to create little enclaves of the sweet memories of generations upon generations of failures and injustices, based on religion. The cultural and ethnic enclaves are not resentful of other enclaves the way religious exclusiveness is. Ethnic enclaves do not look across the street and conclude everybody hell-bound.
The association with ISNA is more of a dissociation from everybody else who does not follow the final message. Why should Pakistanis be part of a group that is based on dissociation from Chinese, Japanese or Indians? Pakistanis should be part of good Asian American community so that more Pakistani immigrants are allowed in, so that Pakistanis face no harassment, so that Pakistan have good relationship with USA and Canada. How can Pakistanis be too associated with ISNA and simultaneously complaining about deportation and unfair treatment of illegal Pakistanis?
Desi American, Asian American, South Asian American...Yes, ISNA...No!
Non-Religious Organizations.......Yes, Religious Organizations......No!

Hamidm2,
Click on the Chowk community tag up on your right hand screen, then click on Chowk Unplugged. When you get to that page, click on People-there`ll be an alphabet; click on H and look for your nick. Once you find your nick click on it and your member profile will appear. You will find yours empty-so go back onto the home page, and click on the ``edit profile`` thingy underneath your sign in section. You`ll be presented with your empty canvas into which you can pour your dreams, aspirations, vitals, reading lists and wacky foibles onto....plus we the interactors get to see how many stars we have awarded you....its all I can do to email someone and say, ``so what did I get? Repetitive? Needs a vacation to New Mexico?``....the funs just beggining.....

Sameer,
You do bring up some good points about pan Asian organizing.

Its part of normal democratic culture when people with common interests organize like this, plumbers do it, businessmen do it, so do neighbourhood/ethnic/immigrant groups. Its supposed to help enhance individual and groups interests and capacity to pursue those interests, link meaningfully with other groups for general good, be a source of cohesion blah blah.

Whether all these good things follow from the functioning of a organisation all depends on the organisation, the goals it pursues and the manner in which functions, obviously. Any reason to think this organisation is not one of the `good` ones?

On a related matter, can someone give an an honest answer to my question - whether at this gathering funds were being collected for causes like Kashmir jihad?