Haroon Moghul November 21, 2002
#1 Posted by hamidm2 on November 21, 2002 2:49:20 pm
......... now i know why they used to hang writers and poets ............ i don`t believe in censorship, but this travesty has to stop ..........this man must should just as the british stopped his ancestor bahadur shah zafar ............ let`s pack him of to yangoon............ better yet, off with his head!
#3 Posted by nawaid on November 21, 2002 3:28:11 pm
oh God! its too high commune for me....i admit i am lost....if someone has time....plz atleast give me an idea of message in the article....
#4 Posted by nooralain on November 21, 2002 5:11:04 pm
quick...what was that Hanif Kureishi novel...ah yes The Black Album. funny..why did that come to mind?
other than that, i have no more comments to make for now except to chuckle as usual at our hamidm.
other than that, i have no more comments to make for now except to chuckle as usual at our hamidm.
#6 Posted by hamidm2 on November 21, 2002 6:17:39 pm
....... i tried reading this thing, whatever it is, backwards and it still doesn`t make any sense ..............``So why… two more tears slipped out, both from my right eye and nothing from my left eye… then two words. Maybe to the old man, maybe to God, maybe to her, or maybe to me, for all the times I failed myself. I’m sorry.`` .............. i am sorry too ........ and that is three words, not two ................what is the significance of tears falling from the right eye? ....... i know we muslims would rather cut off our left hand, but what`s the problem with the left eye? ...... am i missing something ..........and what does the old man have to do with all this ............. maybe i will try reading it from the middle .......... chowk-walo, we have to stop pandering to every aira waghaira nathu khaira who suffers from delusions of being a writer ......... let`s save some cyberspace and spare my rapidly depleting supply of brain cells ...........
........... this is simply terrible .......... and guys, please don`t encourage mr mogul just to be nice - he needs to quit wasting his time and do something else so that he can make an honest living .............
........... this is simply terrible .......... and guys, please don`t encourage mr mogul just to be nice - he needs to quit wasting his time and do something else so that he can make an honest living .............
#7 Posted by GhalibZaman on November 21, 2002 9:16:04 pm
And then , after the red, orange, damsk,and gold of the sunset ,moment by moment ,veils itself in blue & indigo of dusk, the weary & lonesome wayfarer realise that the destination was, from where the journey began----home!
``Chul khusroe ghar aapnay, saanjh bhaee chau dase``
-------------------------------------------------------------------------Yusufi
PS: The most lyrical songs are those which are crooned in anguish. Thanks for sharing this cathartic moment with us.
``Chul khusroe ghar aapnay, saanjh bhaee chau dase``
-------------------------------------------------------------------------Yusufi
PS: The most lyrical songs are those which are crooned in anguish. Thanks for sharing this cathartic moment with us.
#8 Posted by zarposh on November 22, 2002 6:18:01 am
ok...so why exactly the tears came out from your right eye only?.....what happened to the tear duct in your left eye...no offense but it just doesnt make any sense to me.
#9 Posted by jay on November 22, 2002 6:18:02 am
hamid 6,
It is all elimentary. The guy goes to the dark and quite mosque, then the koran fall into his hands. He starts reading despite being a dark mosque. The moral is that he suddenly achieved enlightenment, in the literal sense. The light came from his left eye, if tears were also to come from it, it would have put out the light.
The most important aspect is finally the guy has said sorry, that is in fact for writing this crap.
I am, as you would say, a horrible hindu, I can find sense in any crap.
It is all elimentary. The guy goes to the dark and quite mosque, then the koran fall into his hands. He starts reading despite being a dark mosque. The moral is that he suddenly achieved enlightenment, in the literal sense. The light came from his left eye, if tears were also to come from it, it would have put out the light.
The most important aspect is finally the guy has said sorry, that is in fact for writing this crap.
I am, as you would say, a horrible hindu, I can find sense in any crap.
#10 Posted by shehlah on November 22, 2002 6:18:02 am
Haroon: lovely piece. Us local born n bred also go through the same anguish of finding God, questioning sects, chasing unrequited love and searching for internal happiness. Amazing how matters of the heart can send us reeling on a roller coaster of questions and emotions bringing some closer to God. Re: ``As I had stopped asking, God had stopped responding``... the beauty of God is, God n-e-v-e-r forgets and a-l-w-a-y-s responds. Just re-read what you`ve written. Keep writing.
#11 Posted by aaria on November 22, 2002 7:39:19 am
Haroon-
You combated very eloquently the emotions and trials of finding God. Well-written, butyour train of thought was all over the place, referencing highschool and then to college.. You lost me a bit, but well done.
Noorolain- I tried reading Black Album, aghh frusturation, I hated it.. This at least ended well.
You combated very eloquently the emotions and trials of finding God. Well-written, butyour train of thought was all over the place, referencing highschool and then to college.. You lost me a bit, but well done.
Noorolain- I tried reading Black Album, aghh frusturation, I hated it.. This at least ended well.
#12 Posted by scout on November 22, 2002 8:05:28 am
while reading this, a tear dropped from my left eye and a drop of snot dropped from my right nostril.
i`m sorry
i`m sorry
#13 Posted by Tipu on November 22, 2002 8:56:03 am
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#14 Posted by hamidm2 on November 22, 2002 10:18:35 am
jay,
.... thanks for the explanation...... in my simple minded way i thought that the moral of the story was that heinikin is better than coors ....
.... thanks for the explanation...... in my simple minded way i thought that the moral of the story was that heinikin is better than coors ....
#15 Posted by Urstruly on November 22, 2002 1:31:27 pm
The marriage of objectivism and symbolism is not always a disaster. People have created masterpieces out of it. However, in case of this article, though it is not a disaster, author has managed only to confuse people. That happens when authors fail to establish a rapport with the reader at the initial stages and prepare them for a side dish of symbolism.
Some of the symbols are pretty easy to interpret. For example, when the narrator in the story describes his experience at the mosque during his times of adolescence, he tries to reach out and grasps the source of knowledge, which in this case is the Qura`nic script written on the wall, but can`t. Though he has the passion to climb the learning curve, he can`t because for him it is too big to grasp. But at the later stages of his life when he finds himself capable of grasping it he finds his soul corrupted; not the whole soul but the half of it. Half of it is still unadulterated pure innocence, and that is the reason the tears are only in the right side of the eye.
#16 Posted by Saminasha on November 22, 2002 4:55:29 pm
Noor,
I agree...hamid sahib is in fine form....particularly the comment, ``now I know why they used to hang writers and poets..`` Has anyone read David Sedaris`s Me Talk Pretty One Day? :)
Um...this piece is a bit conflicted and fighting against its self. Also too breezy and dismissive. Rather than being shown some of the processes in which the narrator made the decisions he did; i.e. not wearing shalwar kameez, how he understood Hegel, what was appealing about the redheaded woman, we get an index of symbols that are too reductive, too easy, all the lines we all know and nothing new has been taught to the writer or us...is the narrator`s revelation about Islam sincere? I wonder....
I agree...hamid sahib is in fine form....particularly the comment, ``now I know why they used to hang writers and poets..`` Has anyone read David Sedaris`s Me Talk Pretty One Day? :)
Um...this piece is a bit conflicted and fighting against its self. Also too breezy and dismissive. Rather than being shown some of the processes in which the narrator made the decisions he did; i.e. not wearing shalwar kameez, how he understood Hegel, what was appealing about the redheaded woman, we get an index of symbols that are too reductive, too easy, all the lines we all know and nothing new has been taught to the writer or us...is the narrator`s revelation about Islam sincere? I wonder....
#17 Posted by hamidm2 on November 22, 2002 9:40:45 pm
.... symbolism shimbolism is fine but you don`t have to be particularly clever to see through stuff that is forced, pretentious, contrived, trivial, insincere and just plain amateurish and downright silly ..............
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