What is Islam?
Aisha Sarwari October 6, 2002
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#89 Posted by AAmir on October 8, 2002 10:26:16 pm
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#90 Posted by troll on October 8, 2002 11:54:05 pm
A guy dies and wakes up to find he is in hell. He`s really depressed as he stands in the processing line waiting to talk to an admittance counselor.
He thinks to himself ``I know I lead a wild life but I wasn`t that bad. I never thought it would come to this.`` Looking up he sees that it is his turn to be processed into hell. With fear and a heavy heart, he walks up to the counselor.
Counselor: What`s the problem, you look depressed?
Guy: Well, what do you think? I`m in hell.
Counselor: Hell`s not so bad, we actually have a lot of fun. Do you like to drink?
Guy: Sure, I love to drink.
Counselor: Well then, you are going to love Mondays. On Mondays we drink up a storm. You can have whiskey, rum, tequila, beer, whatever you want and as much a you want. We party all night long. You`ll love Mondays. Do you smoke?
Guy: Yes, as a matter of fact I do.
Counselor: You are going to love Tuesdays. Tuesday is smoke day. You get to smoke the finest cigars and best cigarettes available anywhere. And you smoke to your heart`s desire without worrying about cancer because you are already dead! Is that great or what? You are going to love Tuesdays. Do you do drugs?
Guy: Well in my younger days I experimented a little.
Counselor: You are going to love Wednesdays. That`s drug day. You can experiment with any drug you want and you don`t have to worry about overdoses or getting hooked because you are already dead. You are going to love Wednesdays. Do you gamble?
Guy: Yes, I love to gamble.
Counselor: You are going to love Thursdays because we gamble all day and night -- black jack, craps, poker, slots, horse races, everything! You are going to love Thursdays. Are you gay?
Guy: Uhh...no.
Counselor: Oh , you`re gonna hate Fridays...
He thinks to himself ``I know I lead a wild life but I wasn`t that bad. I never thought it would come to this.`` Looking up he sees that it is his turn to be processed into hell. With fear and a heavy heart, he walks up to the counselor.
Counselor: What`s the problem, you look depressed?
Guy: Well, what do you think? I`m in hell.
Counselor: Hell`s not so bad, we actually have a lot of fun. Do you like to drink?
Guy: Sure, I love to drink.
Counselor: Well then, you are going to love Mondays. On Mondays we drink up a storm. You can have whiskey, rum, tequila, beer, whatever you want and as much a you want. We party all night long. You`ll love Mondays. Do you smoke?
Guy: Yes, as a matter of fact I do.
Counselor: You are going to love Tuesdays. Tuesday is smoke day. You get to smoke the finest cigars and best cigarettes available anywhere. And you smoke to your heart`s desire without worrying about cancer because you are already dead! Is that great or what? You are going to love Tuesdays. Do you do drugs?
Guy: Well in my younger days I experimented a little.
Counselor: You are going to love Wednesdays. That`s drug day. You can experiment with any drug you want and you don`t have to worry about overdoses or getting hooked because you are already dead. You are going to love Wednesdays. Do you gamble?
Guy: Yes, I love to gamble.
Counselor: You are going to love Thursdays because we gamble all day and night -- black jack, craps, poker, slots, horse races, everything! You are going to love Thursdays. Are you gay?
Guy: Uhh...no.
Counselor: Oh , you`re gonna hate Fridays...
#91 Posted by sadna on October 9, 2002 7:47:22 am
Idiot 12-head#83
By `gora` I donot mean merely the color of the skin, I mean what is propagated and highlighted by their media, their popular culture, their fashions, their social dynamics, their government, their literature, their history.
Those who donot make use of godgiven aqal and judge all morality, religion, politics and personal choices, even of food habits against goras current public and private choices taken as either standard of the modern god or standard of the modern devil, are all pretty stupid.
By `gora` I donot mean merely the color of the skin, I mean what is propagated and highlighted by their media, their popular culture, their fashions, their social dynamics, their government, their literature, their history.
Those who donot make use of godgiven aqal and judge all morality, religion, politics and personal choices, even of food habits against goras current public and private choices taken as either standard of the modern god or standard of the modern devil, are all pretty stupid.
#92 Posted by bharatvaasi on October 9, 2002 7:47:22 am
well azadmunna and co, here is what happens in pakistan...........
‘What elections? Army HQ has already decided who will win’
As Musharraf mocks J&K polls, his nation yawns as it begins a drab countdown to a sham election
John Lancaster
Rawalpindi, October 8: Raja Zafar ul-Haq, a candidate in Pakistan’s general elections scheduled for Thursday, says he has reason to be skeptical of claims by President Pervez Musharraf that the contest will help pave the way for the restoration of ‘‘real democracy’’.
Three times in the last month, he said, the electricity has mysteriously failed just as he prepared to address campaign rallies, plunging the crowd into darkness. And even when things do go smoothly, he complained, Pakistan Television limits its coverage to shots of him speaking from the podium, ignoring cheering throngs of supporters.
‘‘It is not a level playing field,’’ said Haq, a former religion minister and a leader of the party of former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, who was ousted by Musharraf in a coup three years ago this month. ‘‘A kind of atmosphere has been created so that those who oppose the government have no chance to reach Parliament.’’
Such cynicism is a hallmark of elections in Pakistan, which for roughly half of its tumultuous 55-year history has been governed in some fashion by unelected men in army uniforms. In the view of many candidates and voters, Musharraf—aided by the Bush administration—is merely prolonging this dreary tradition, embracing the form of democracy but not its substance.
They note, for example, that whatever the outcome of Thursday’s voting, Musharraf will have the power to dismiss Parliament and sack the Prime Minister under constitutional amendments he imposed by fiat several months ago. The amendments also call for the creation of a new National Security Council that legitimises the Army’s role in governing.
The two biggest Opposition parties, meanwhile, have been crippled by the exile of their principal leaders—Sharif of the Pakistan Muslim League and former prime minister Benazir Bhutto of the Pakistan People’s Party—both of whom face arrest on corruption-related charges if they return.
Still other potential challengers have been barred from running because they do not hold four-year college degrees—a new requirement that disqualifies an estimated 98 per cent of the population—have defaulted on loans or have fallen behind on their utility bills.
‘‘Pakistan appears to be the only country in the world where candidates can be disqualified for unpaid utility bills,’’ said an interim report by the European Union, which has dispatched a large observer team to monitor the elections. ‘‘Several of the financial eligibility criteria are not only applicable to the potential candidates themselves, but also their spouses, dependents and business associates.’’
An afternoon in Rawalpindi, 10 miles southwest of Islamabad, suggests that many Pakistanis share the EU’s doubts. Despite high-profile races involving Haq and other prominent leaders, interviews with shoppers and store owners in the city’s old bazaar elicited little beyond expressions of disdain for the entire proceeding.
‘‘The General controls everything and he will engineer the results, for sure, for his benefit,’’ said Zamir Ahmad Shah, 50, looking up from his workbench in his closet-size goldsmith shop. ‘‘The lists of winners are already being prepared by army headquarters.’’
But the widespread view that the elections will change little in the way the country is governed does not seem to have seriously undermined Musharraf’s standing among ordinary Pakistanis.
Many Pakistanis appear to regard military rule as a necessary evil given the dismal track record of Pakistan’s civilian leaders, who are widely seen as corrupt and incompetent.
And although militant Muslim groups were angered by Musharraf’s embrace of the US war on terrorism and his subsequent cutoff of support for the Taliban in neighboring Afghanistan, many Pakistanis appear to have accepted the policy as the price of restoring the country’s economy through closer ties with the West.
Last week, for example, an opinion poll commissioned by the BBC—based on interviews with 2,827 Pakistanis in 200 towns and cities—found that 69 % of Pakistanis thought Musharraf had done a ‘‘good’’ or ‘‘somewhat good’’ job since coming to power in October 1999.
Although few analysts expect an overwhelming turnout on Thursday, some hold out hope that the contests could produce an incremental improvement in the nation’s political life, providing at least a forum for discussion and some degree of accountability.
‘‘Even a sham, bogus democracy is better than a totalitarian regime,’’ said a Western-trained academic in Islamabad who asked not to be identified.
Musharraf, this person added, ‘‘will have to have consensus of some kind. He can’t be as arbitrary.’’ (Los Angeles Times-Washington Post)
‘What elections? Army HQ has already decided who will win’
As Musharraf mocks J&K polls, his nation yawns as it begins a drab countdown to a sham election
John Lancaster
Rawalpindi, October 8: Raja Zafar ul-Haq, a candidate in Pakistan’s general elections scheduled for Thursday, says he has reason to be skeptical of claims by President Pervez Musharraf that the contest will help pave the way for the restoration of ‘‘real democracy’’.
Three times in the last month, he said, the electricity has mysteriously failed just as he prepared to address campaign rallies, plunging the crowd into darkness. And even when things do go smoothly, he complained, Pakistan Television limits its coverage to shots of him speaking from the podium, ignoring cheering throngs of supporters.
‘‘It is not a level playing field,’’ said Haq, a former religion minister and a leader of the party of former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, who was ousted by Musharraf in a coup three years ago this month. ‘‘A kind of atmosphere has been created so that those who oppose the government have no chance to reach Parliament.’’
Such cynicism is a hallmark of elections in Pakistan, which for roughly half of its tumultuous 55-year history has been governed in some fashion by unelected men in army uniforms. In the view of many candidates and voters, Musharraf—aided by the Bush administration—is merely prolonging this dreary tradition, embracing the form of democracy but not its substance.
They note, for example, that whatever the outcome of Thursday’s voting, Musharraf will have the power to dismiss Parliament and sack the Prime Minister under constitutional amendments he imposed by fiat several months ago. The amendments also call for the creation of a new National Security Council that legitimises the Army’s role in governing.
The two biggest Opposition parties, meanwhile, have been crippled by the exile of their principal leaders—Sharif of the Pakistan Muslim League and former prime minister Benazir Bhutto of the Pakistan People’s Party—both of whom face arrest on corruption-related charges if they return.
Still other potential challengers have been barred from running because they do not hold four-year college degrees—a new requirement that disqualifies an estimated 98 per cent of the population—have defaulted on loans or have fallen behind on their utility bills.
‘‘Pakistan appears to be the only country in the world where candidates can be disqualified for unpaid utility bills,’’ said an interim report by the European Union, which has dispatched a large observer team to monitor the elections. ‘‘Several of the financial eligibility criteria are not only applicable to the potential candidates themselves, but also their spouses, dependents and business associates.’’
An afternoon in Rawalpindi, 10 miles southwest of Islamabad, suggests that many Pakistanis share the EU’s doubts. Despite high-profile races involving Haq and other prominent leaders, interviews with shoppers and store owners in the city’s old bazaar elicited little beyond expressions of disdain for the entire proceeding.
‘‘The General controls everything and he will engineer the results, for sure, for his benefit,’’ said Zamir Ahmad Shah, 50, looking up from his workbench in his closet-size goldsmith shop. ‘‘The lists of winners are already being prepared by army headquarters.’’
But the widespread view that the elections will change little in the way the country is governed does not seem to have seriously undermined Musharraf’s standing among ordinary Pakistanis.
Many Pakistanis appear to regard military rule as a necessary evil given the dismal track record of Pakistan’s civilian leaders, who are widely seen as corrupt and incompetent.
And although militant Muslim groups were angered by Musharraf’s embrace of the US war on terrorism and his subsequent cutoff of support for the Taliban in neighboring Afghanistan, many Pakistanis appear to have accepted the policy as the price of restoring the country’s economy through closer ties with the West.
Last week, for example, an opinion poll commissioned by the BBC—based on interviews with 2,827 Pakistanis in 200 towns and cities—found that 69 % of Pakistanis thought Musharraf had done a ‘‘good’’ or ‘‘somewhat good’’ job since coming to power in October 1999.
Although few analysts expect an overwhelming turnout on Thursday, some hold out hope that the contests could produce an incremental improvement in the nation’s political life, providing at least a forum for discussion and some degree of accountability.
‘‘Even a sham, bogus democracy is better than a totalitarian regime,’’ said a Western-trained academic in Islamabad who asked not to be identified.
Musharraf, this person added, ‘‘will have to have consensus of some kind. He can’t be as arbitrary.’’ (Los Angeles Times-Washington Post)
#94 Posted by shankar on October 9, 2002 7:47:22 am
nasah sahib,
I`ve been called a lot of things on Chowk by my ``admirers``...but ``Shanker the Great``!!....hmmmm thats a new one!:)
Thankyou!:)
Now that you have praised this brahmin( my naseeb...sigh); let me be MORE blunt about Hinduism.
Hinduism is a religion that very very few hindus understand. One has to be an educated philosopher to understand the meaning of the Baghwad Geeta, Upanishads & sundry good books. Now, the majority of hindus are illiterate. So what do they/I know about hindu philosophy?
Let me tell you the blunt truth. 99% of hindus know ZILCH about hindu philosophy. Yeah there are guys like Dr RShridhar who have taken the trouble (& have the necessary intelligence) to read & comprehend what hinduism is.
So, how do we/most of us learn about hinduism? From our parents, grandparents etc. You think I learnt one bit of hinduism from a goddamned bhatji?! They dont give sermons like catholic priests & muslim mullahs (Whew...THANK GOD!!:)). All these hindu priests do is perform pujas & other mindless rituals, whose philosophical symbolism, their ``devoted congregations`` barely understand (unless somebody takes the time to explain it to them). Like....how many of us understand sanskrit?! Another thing about these bhatjis...99% of the time when they perform a puja, they mumble under their breath. I mean, they are more incomprehensible than a doctor`s handwriting! Jesus Christ!! they could be reciting that mornings matka numbers, for all I know!
Another way we learn about our religion is by listening to bhajans & FOLKLORE. Hindu mythology is incredibly imaginative. If you THINK metaphorically, then monkey gods, snake gods & all the incredible stories like the Ramayan & Mahabharat. & fables of the fascinating Panchatantra..all make sense & are very educational.
Personally, all this crap about going to temples, having pujas, what not to eat, fasting on certain auspicious days...is just that... CRAPOLA! Dont EVEN talk to me about fasting. My mother used to fast (& still does) for every darned rhyme or reason. She got very angry at me when I told her ``mom, the REAL reason you fast is cos you want to go on a diet...& then all of us have to suffer!``.:)
OK OK, I`ve taken the liberty of making broad sweeping generalisations about hindus. But all that a simpleton like me can do is draw from my own personal experience. Ofcourse other hindus on Chowk may have different experiences & opinions.
Talking about personal experiences; many yrs ago, I decided to send my daughter to Sanskrit classes & Indian culture appreciation for kids that was organised by the local hindu society in MidMichigan. You know..that ``immigrant guilt`` we feel:) I`m very ashamed to say this, but after 2-3 ``classes`` my daughter threw a HUGE tantrum. She REFUSED to go to those classes because they were ``BORING``! Alas, my daughter has inherited my mother`s stubbornness. I thought I had completely lost her to this EVIL western culture...until Sadna told me about Amar Chitra Katha (THANKYOU, Sadnaji).. Yup, when it comes to reading comic books my daughter doesnt mind learning about her ``mother culture``.
I`m rambling...so I`d better shutup..
I`ve been called a lot of things on Chowk by my ``admirers``...but ``Shanker the Great``!!....hmmmm thats a new one!:)
Thankyou!:)
Now that you have praised this brahmin( my naseeb...sigh); let me be MORE blunt about Hinduism.
Hinduism is a religion that very very few hindus understand. One has to be an educated philosopher to understand the meaning of the Baghwad Geeta, Upanishads & sundry good books. Now, the majority of hindus are illiterate. So what do they/I know about hindu philosophy?
Let me tell you the blunt truth. 99% of hindus know ZILCH about hindu philosophy. Yeah there are guys like Dr RShridhar who have taken the trouble (& have the necessary intelligence) to read & comprehend what hinduism is.
So, how do we/most of us learn about hinduism? From our parents, grandparents etc. You think I learnt one bit of hinduism from a goddamned bhatji?! They dont give sermons like catholic priests & muslim mullahs (Whew...THANK GOD!!:)). All these hindu priests do is perform pujas & other mindless rituals, whose philosophical symbolism, their ``devoted congregations`` barely understand (unless somebody takes the time to explain it to them). Like....how many of us understand sanskrit?! Another thing about these bhatjis...99% of the time when they perform a puja, they mumble under their breath. I mean, they are more incomprehensible than a doctor`s handwriting! Jesus Christ!! they could be reciting that mornings matka numbers, for all I know!
Another way we learn about our religion is by listening to bhajans & FOLKLORE. Hindu mythology is incredibly imaginative. If you THINK metaphorically, then monkey gods, snake gods & all the incredible stories like the Ramayan & Mahabharat. & fables of the fascinating Panchatantra..all make sense & are very educational.
Personally, all this crap about going to temples, having pujas, what not to eat, fasting on certain auspicious days...is just that... CRAPOLA! Dont EVEN talk to me about fasting. My mother used to fast (& still does) for every darned rhyme or reason. She got very angry at me when I told her ``mom, the REAL reason you fast is cos you want to go on a diet...& then all of us have to suffer!``.:)
OK OK, I`ve taken the liberty of making broad sweeping generalisations about hindus. But all that a simpleton like me can do is draw from my own personal experience. Ofcourse other hindus on Chowk may have different experiences & opinions.
Talking about personal experiences; many yrs ago, I decided to send my daughter to Sanskrit classes & Indian culture appreciation for kids that was organised by the local hindu society in MidMichigan. You know..that ``immigrant guilt`` we feel:) I`m very ashamed to say this, but after 2-3 ``classes`` my daughter threw a HUGE tantrum. She REFUSED to go to those classes because they were ``BORING``! Alas, my daughter has inherited my mother`s stubbornness. I thought I had completely lost her to this EVIL western culture...until Sadna told me about Amar Chitra Katha (THANKYOU, Sadnaji).. Yup, when it comes to reading comic books my daughter doesnt mind learning about her ``mother culture``.
I`m rambling...so I`d better shutup..
#95 Posted by eslurf on October 9, 2002 7:47:22 am
yes, funny indeed !!!!! Im talking about the PIG part !
I am inclined to sit on the fence on this one , swinging neither here nor there. I grew up in the gulf. a large number of my friends are muslim. I have friends who eat pork even though they are muslims. They`ve come to terms with ``TASTE``, i like to call it. I also have muslim friends that shake their heads and cover their plates when they see pork being served. My current girlfriend is a muslim. She doesn`t like pork either and her never having tried it, all I can say is ``baby you`re missing something`` in between mouthfuls of my bacon, salami, sausages and eggs ! Hmm, funny indeed all this Pig talk... !!
I am inclined to sit on the fence on this one , swinging neither here nor there. I grew up in the gulf. a large number of my friends are muslim. I have friends who eat pork even though they are muslims. They`ve come to terms with ``TASTE``, i like to call it. I also have muslim friends that shake their heads and cover their plates when they see pork being served. My current girlfriend is a muslim. She doesn`t like pork either and her never having tried it, all I can say is ``baby you`re missing something`` in between mouthfuls of my bacon, salami, sausages and eggs ! Hmm, funny indeed all this Pig talk... !!
#96 Posted by Lajwanti on October 9, 2002 7:47:22 am
I am soiling INDULGENCES! Doesanybody wanting INDULGENCES? Iam soiling for goodly price, okay?
Pankajbai?
Nooralainbehain?
Eveni fyou are not need, why notbuying for wicked relative,s, frieds, wellwushers, haiN? (Buy TWOfo r Deepka! No, buy THREE! Infuct buying threeI wilgive fourth for halfr price.)
thisi s parfect Christmas present,e vben for non-Christianity.
Also for publicsarvice youca nbuy and sendt opoltician of choice. (Hum gift wrap bhee kar saktay haiN. Santa Claus valay paper meiN bhee...)
Sendignto Ataljee, or Musharrafjee? Or even Advaniji? Even to Pop in Vatcan, or Osama bin Laddoo (destination undisclosing)! Creed/notional origan NO BAR! (bar is haram, see, sharaab bechtay haiN...)
Letm e knowing quick, naheeN tau all willb ghayab, sale like hotcaks.
Ok - salaam!
(Howy ouare like my nayah busness? Groovy, na?)
Pankajbai?
Nooralainbehain?
Eveni fyou are not need, why notbuying for wicked relative,s, frieds, wellwushers, haiN? (Buy TWOfo r Deepka! No, buy THREE! Infuct buying threeI wilgive fourth for halfr price.)
thisi s parfect Christmas present,e vben for non-Christianity.
Also for publicsarvice youca nbuy and sendt opoltician of choice. (Hum gift wrap bhee kar saktay haiN. Santa Claus valay paper meiN bhee...)
Sendignto Ataljee, or Musharrafjee? Or even Advaniji? Even to Pop in Vatcan, or Osama bin Laddoo (destination undisclosing)! Creed/notional origan NO BAR! (bar is haram, see, sharaab bechtay haiN...)
Letm e knowing quick, naheeN tau all willb ghayab, sale like hotcaks.
Ok - salaam!
(Howy ouare like my nayah busness? Groovy, na?)
#97 Posted by roohi on October 9, 2002 8:45:49 am
Dost #76
``In my opinion, the best religion is the least religion. Shintoism, anyone? `` Are you pantheist Dost Saab ... http://www.pantheism.net ?!
``In my opinion, the best religion is the least religion. Shintoism, anyone? `` Are you pantheist Dost Saab ... http://www.pantheism.net ?!
#98 Posted by roohi on October 9, 2002 8:45:50 am
Aisha,
Intresting look into other peoples lives ... never thought people would have to think about Astrix & Oblix, Pooh and Piglet etc. I totally agree that symbols are shallow and pointless and it is more valuable to try to understand and form a connection with the core spirit of the culture/religion of your non-american roots.
All American immigrants from non-euro-christian religions and cultures have had to figure out what are the meaningful components of their identity that that they want to preserve in the melting pot - or even from euro-christian backgrounds (have you seen My Great Big Greek Wedding ?) - you`re on the outside looking in and obviously not liking what you see - easy for you ! Shades of true-desi codescendsion to the confused ABCD !
Don`t understand why you ``can`t leave Islam`` because it`s your ``nation`s national religion`` and because it let`s you ``grow with your nation`` ... even though ``my maker is outside Islam as much as she is within it`` - seems a bit muddled to me - but if you can say that last bit girl, there IS still hope in the world !!!
Intresting look into other peoples lives ... never thought people would have to think about Astrix & Oblix, Pooh and Piglet etc. I totally agree that symbols are shallow and pointless and it is more valuable to try to understand and form a connection with the core spirit of the culture/religion of your non-american roots.
All American immigrants from non-euro-christian religions and cultures have had to figure out what are the meaningful components of their identity that that they want to preserve in the melting pot - or even from euro-christian backgrounds (have you seen My Great Big Greek Wedding ?) - you`re on the outside looking in and obviously not liking what you see - easy for you ! Shades of true-desi codescendsion to the confused ABCD !
Don`t understand why you ``can`t leave Islam`` because it`s your ``nation`s national religion`` and because it let`s you ``grow with your nation`` ... even though ``my maker is outside Islam as much as she is within it`` - seems a bit muddled to me - but if you can say that last bit girl, there IS still hope in the world !!!
#99 Posted by Godot on October 9, 2002 9:28:35 am
Shankar, #93
Sankar, I don`t normally read posts at Chowk. They are usaully very predictable: you see the name of the interactor, you know what`s this post about, you just don`t bother.
But every once in a while, a post catches my attention (I guess that`s because it`s meant to be...or why would I stumble upon to this post of yours...I have no idea what`s going on other boards...) Your post #93 caught my attention...and let me tell you this... Very well written, comes from the heart, very honest, very well said, and I learned a lot from it...Thanks!!!!
Sankar, I don`t normally read posts at Chowk. They are usaully very predictable: you see the name of the interactor, you know what`s this post about, you just don`t bother.
But every once in a while, a post catches my attention (I guess that`s because it`s meant to be...or why would I stumble upon to this post of yours...I have no idea what`s going on other boards...) Your post #93 caught my attention...and let me tell you this... Very well written, comes from the heart, very honest, very well said, and I learned a lot from it...Thanks!!!!
#100 Posted by MastRam2 on October 9, 2002 9:28:35 am
re nooralain #84.
I have very little knowledge of christianity which is gleaned from bible pushers on campus.
Is it true that God regards all the humans, whether Idi Amin or Edhi or a 1 day old baby as sinners and the only way to be forgiven for our sins is to accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and saviour and believe that he has already died for our sins? Is this belief just a necessary condition to go to heaven or also a sufficient condition? I was lead to believe by campus bible-pushers that it is a necessary and sufficient condition.
cheers
I have very little knowledge of christianity which is gleaned from bible pushers on campus.
Is it true that God regards all the humans, whether Idi Amin or Edhi or a 1 day old baby as sinners and the only way to be forgiven for our sins is to accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and saviour and believe that he has already died for our sins? Is this belief just a necessary condition to go to heaven or also a sufficient condition? I was lead to believe by campus bible-pushers that it is a necessary and sufficient condition.
cheers
#101 Posted by shanzeh1 on October 9, 2002 9:30:09 am
not everything is black and white. and Islam is certainly not about piglet and pooh, halal and not halal, or nailpolish and prayer. Islam is about belief.
I have lived 20 years in America, I have never prayed, I have eaten pork, I love Winnie the Pooh and all his friends, and yes, I always wear nail polish. I have friends who do pray, who do not wear nail polish because they have to pray, who DO care about halal food, and who do NOT eat pig. Does it bother me? NO. because I am secure within myself. What I do or what I eat or what I believe does not bother them either.
Many religions forbid the consumption of something or another. Hinduism does not allow the eating of beef, just like Mormonism does not allow the drinking of coffee. So people don`t like eating pigs, so people don`t like wearing nail polsih and praying, so people search out foods that don`t contain thiamine monosaturates, who are we to say that`s wrong. Isn`t belief subjective? The Amish have given up technologies and continue to live as pilgrims did. Is that wrong also?
i`m sorry to say, but this article is offensive and is filled with blatant disrespect. I may not be the perfect muslim, but I do respect all the world`s religions and beliefs.
``Feel good, you all. All you all, feel good.`` As an American-Muslim, I DO feel good, I feel secure, I feel satisfied with what I believe. Maybe you need to look inward and analyze yourself a bit and deal with that insecurity, before you start analyzing others.
I have lived 20 years in America, I have never prayed, I have eaten pork, I love Winnie the Pooh and all his friends, and yes, I always wear nail polish. I have friends who do pray, who do not wear nail polish because they have to pray, who DO care about halal food, and who do NOT eat pig. Does it bother me? NO. because I am secure within myself. What I do or what I eat or what I believe does not bother them either.
Many religions forbid the consumption of something or another. Hinduism does not allow the eating of beef, just like Mormonism does not allow the drinking of coffee. So people don`t like eating pigs, so people don`t like wearing nail polsih and praying, so people search out foods that don`t contain thiamine monosaturates, who are we to say that`s wrong. Isn`t belief subjective? The Amish have given up technologies and continue to live as pilgrims did. Is that wrong also?
i`m sorry to say, but this article is offensive and is filled with blatant disrespect. I may not be the perfect muslim, but I do respect all the world`s religions and beliefs.
``Feel good, you all. All you all, feel good.`` As an American-Muslim, I DO feel good, I feel secure, I feel satisfied with what I believe. Maybe you need to look inward and analyze yourself a bit and deal with that insecurity, before you start analyzing others.
#102 Posted by sac on October 9, 2002 10:05:04 am
Sameer/temporal:
Here`s a little something to stoke the fire a bit. The contributor shall remain nameless.
``...people can be moral without being godly for the simple reason that morality precedes ideology-religion is a way of organizing our ideas about good and evil, and not necessarily the origin of those ideas...``
re Shankar #93:
Most hindus(practising as well as non-practising) I`ve met would agree with your post. I don`t know if they`ll ever come out and openly admit it though!
later
-sac
Here`s a little something to stoke the fire a bit. The contributor shall remain nameless.
``...people can be moral without being godly for the simple reason that morality precedes ideology-religion is a way of organizing our ideas about good and evil, and not necessarily the origin of those ideas...``
re Shankar #93:
Most hindus(practising as well as non-practising) I`ve met would agree with your post. I don`t know if they`ll ever come out and openly admit it though!
later
-sac
#103 Posted by pmishra2 on October 9, 2002 10:05:04 am
shankar #93
YOu are clearly a secular fundamentalist, as your post demonstrates, but please try to be polite about practices and devotional
forms that are deeply meaningful to people of faith. Otherwise, all you are proving is that you are a boor and happy to bad-mouth a faith community connected to your family background. An enlightened person can distance himself/herself from various religous practices without calling them ``CRAPOLA``.
YOu are clearly a secular fundamentalist, as your post demonstrates, but please try to be polite about practices and devotional
forms that are deeply meaningful to people of faith. Otherwise, all you are proving is that you are a boor and happy to bad-mouth a faith community connected to your family background. An enlightened person can distance himself/herself from various religous practices without calling them ``CRAPOLA``.
#106 Posted by tahmed32 on October 9, 2002 10:55:48 am
Joke for your pleasure. (This should give jay a big thrill).
>A Pakistani Ambassador to the UN just finished giving a
>speech, and walks out into the lobby where he met
>President Bush. They shook hands and walked together
>in the long verandah when suddenly the Pakistani said,
>``You know, I have just one question about what I have
>seen in America.``
>
>President Bush says ``Well your Excellency, anything I
>can do to help you, I will do.``
>
>The Pakistani whispers, ``My son watches this show
>`Star Trek` and in it there are Russians, and Blacks,
>Chinese, Japanese and Indians but never any Pakistani,
>Afghani or Arabs. So my son is very upset. He doesn`t
>understand nor do I about why there aren`t any Arabs,
>Pakistanis, and Afghanis in the Star Trek show.``
>
>President Bush laughs and leans toward the Pakistani,
>and whispers in his ear, ``Because... the show is all about the future.``
>A Pakistani Ambassador to the UN just finished giving a
>speech, and walks out into the lobby where he met
>President Bush. They shook hands and walked together
>in the long verandah when suddenly the Pakistani said,
>``You know, I have just one question about what I have
>seen in America.``
>
>President Bush says ``Well your Excellency, anything I
>can do to help you, I will do.``
>
>The Pakistani whispers, ``My son watches this show
>`Star Trek` and in it there are Russians, and Blacks,
>Chinese, Japanese and Indians but never any Pakistani,
>Afghani or Arabs. So my son is very upset. He doesn`t
>understand nor do I about why there aren`t any Arabs,
>Pakistanis, and Afghanis in the Star Trek show.``
>
>President Bush laughs and leans toward the Pakistani,
>and whispers in his ear, ``Because... the show is all about the future.``
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