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jay ( # 59 )

`` The likes of urstruly and romair always quote the statistics, the numbers killed in kashmir, iraq, any where, but the jihadic fodders are never counted simply because in the islamic system the ones who went to heaven are not dead yet. ``

Everytime i hear this ``Islamic heaven`` thingi I wonder about the physical condition of 72 virgins. I mean with all those talibans exterminated by US daisy cutters and cluster bombs, the badly molested 72 virgins in islamic heaven must be really suffering from some serious veneral deseases. I wonder if such virgins are an attractive option for Osama bin hidin and his cohorts anymore.

why did this turn into an Indo-Pak slugfest? The article has nothing to do with India or Pakistan. It is about American foreign policy NOT in South Asia but in other parts of the world.

temporal #51
Do you mean captured alive like Aimal Kasi? He carried out clear cut murders, he got the punishment after due process of law and for this the Pakistan National Assembly passed a resolution commending him as hero and tens of thousands celebrated his martyrdom at his funeral.

The NHRC, Praful Bidwai, Mr Nayar and many others are doing their job demanding transparency. Thats exactly what they should be doing and they should be supported in it. The police is also doing its job. But the enviroment in which both the NHRC and the police have to operate should not be forgotten.

UrstRuly:

``I am totally convinced but disappointed that Hindus are the most indecent and dishonorable people on this planet.``

Would you also like to comment on the Riaz Basra case? The Police first arrested him, and a few months later denied that he had ever been arrested because he was actually killed in an encounter. Afterreading about the Riaz Basra case, I am totally convinced but disappointed that Muslims are the most indecent and dishonorable people on this planet.

trouble in paradise? trouble in the land of 98% literacy rate, women’s rights, minority empowerment, aids-free sex and clean tap water? cant figure why isi is so successful in an alien land while at home it cannot even deal with the legacy of a politician who died quarter of a century ago.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2490047.stm

Police in the southern Indian state of Andhra Pradesh say at least 14 people have been killed by suspected leftist guerrillas who set off a landmine under a bus. Forty people were on the bus and many of the survivors are said to be critically injured. The attack took place in a village in Warangal district, some 200 kilometres (124 miles) north of the state capital Hyderabad. A local police official, Gautam Swanga, blamed the blast on the Maoist guerrillas of the Naxalite People`s War Group, which has been fighting a campaign in five southern states. The Press Trust of India news agency said it appeared that the rebels detonated the device by remote control. Deputy Swanga said that after the bus was destroyed, the attackers opened fire on the burning wreckage, apparently thinking it was a police transport.
He said no policemen were on the bus, adding that the attackers had committed a ``ghastly mistake``. The death toll is expected to rise since the attack took place in an area where there were no medical facilities, the Associated Press news agency reported.

Forest hideout

The latest attack comes after police killed five rebels, including two women, in the area on Sunday and security forces were continuing to patrol the district. The blast is reported to have take place in a forest where rebels have been hiding out with the support of local villagers.
But Deputy Swanga said the bus attack was likely to turn public opinion away from the rebels. ``They think they are secure in their forest, but they won`t be any more,`` he said.
More than 6,000 people have been killed in fighting since the Naxalite People`s War Group began its campaign against police, political officials and landowners more than 20 years ago.

Sadna, RSaxena,
I as an individual do not support or defend Pakistan sending terrorists to India and proclaim as much so. But you as individuals don`t have the integrity to do the same when it comes to the Indian government`s stage managed encounters or support for counter insurgents. Meray khyaal may meray may thoRee sharam hai, aap may tau itnee bhee nahi.

RSaxena,
Investigation my ass. The people investigating are the people who are responsible for the cover-up. How fair can that be ? This goes further than the police upto LK Advani. Before the good Doctor`s revelation, Advani came out with these same exact lines: `` How can we talk to Pakistan when it is still sending Terrorists``. The timing was key, the armies were called back from the borders, the American pressure was on to talk because inflitration in Kashmir had dropped dramatically but the Indian Govt. are so bloody shy of talking to Pakistan that they stage managed this crime to have a reason not to talk.
As for me being hired by the CIA, they need people trained in sabotage, assasination, etc. and I don`t have the necessary qualifications. Funny as it may sound Al-Qaeda people may fit best with the CIA and other intelligence agencies. Did you read about the British spy who got 5 year prison because he came public with a M15 mission in Libya that targetted innocents to further a cause. That kind of work I`m really not qualifed for or have the stomach for.

On another note, even though the armies are called off the borders you guys still can`t fly your planes over Pakistan. So fly over China to get to Afghanistan and Europe and anywhere else until we say its ok, ok ? (sticking tongue out).

khamkhwa #62 No! No! NO! You are wrong about Advani`s ass. As Jay could have informed you, Advani is from areas that now form Pakistan, and therefore inherently given to doing bad things anyway. As for that fabricated case of the mosque - that mosque would never have been there if there had muslims never come to India. Jay will tell you all about this as soon as they take these damn electrodes off his head.
Next you will be saying that Arjun is actually a bird common to India that twitters on chowk every time it reads a newspaper...

The Pakis love to diss India not realizing that India is the largest democracy in the world.It has its institutions which are there to safeguard the intrests of each and every indian eg: The courts. They have been successful in saving the ass of one L.K.Advani over a fabricated case of destruction of a mosque.There was no mosque and there was no destruction and the poor chap was falsely accused in this case alongwith that gentle and loving woman, who is really an ascetic,
Sadhvi Ritambra and a few innocent people like Singhal and K.Giriraj.
The Indian Police is the favourite punching bag of the pinkos and the paki-lovers.How do you expect them to face these paki terrorists who are laced with the most modern arms, whereas, the police has to counter them with outdated 303 rifles with limited number of bullets and or a lathi.They are unable to kill any paki terrorist,because they don`t have the means.Ansal Plaza, Akshardham,Chattisingh...these are all lies, spread by the paki stooges and the ISI.

Yo Pakis! listen and listen good.In a democracy you do NOT have the following.

1. Lies and deceit.
2. Human rights violation.
3. Government cover ups.
4. Discrimination.
5. Communal killings.

For further details, learn from uncle jay, uncle harimau and baby arjun.

temporal #51
``no attempt was made to take them alive... ``

You mean alive like Masood Azhar and Omar Sheikh?

Karakoram #44
``I never knew anyone or any country that is so afraid to talk that it would kill drugged up people in cold blood not to talk. Kuch to sharam karo. ``

The interesting thing is that there is one witness who says what you want to hear and so you believe him. As for danger to his life, he even held a press conference and got every opportunity to say what he wanted to say.

I never knew anyone or any country that sends its citizens to kill those in the neighbouring country just to get them to talk. Kuch tho sharam karo.

re saxena #45

agree that was pretty lame. promise a better comeback next time.

RAS #37, see democracy has benefits. It is also dependent on thepeople to search for a way out. Eternally blaming others for their misfortune takes to the never-never land. Check this article out. This village of weavers have made sure that every generation there is educated and many go into the presitigious IITs and National Institutes of Technologies - so far it has been 100 odd......there has to be a can do spirit. The spirit of adventure and the desire to realise thatthere is something better there. Within that comes the ability to be critical, and make sure that you are able to bring to account people (this is what is happening ref: the url you gave). May be it is time pakistan stoppped thinking of itself as the descendents of the great mughals - which they are not.

http://www.the-week.com/22nov24/life1.htm

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1. In the last 10 years, 25 students from the nondescript hamlet have got into various Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs) and 75 have entered Regional Engineering Colleges, now known as National Institutes of Technology.

2.The weavers have been shuttling from crisis to crisis since the early decades of the 20th century. ``We realised that if our children do not get good education and good jobs, the community would be heading for real trouble,`` said Umesh Prasad Patwa, a weaver.

3.Jitendra Kumar, son of Thakur Prasad, was the one who wove the `engineering dream` in the village. He wrote the 1991 entrance examination and got admission at Banaras Hindu University, whose Institute of Technology is one of the eight IITs. When he came back to the village, he urged the villagers to motivate their children to become engineers.He proved to be a big inspiration. In 1997, 13 boys got into IITs and 53 entered various Regional Engineering Colleges.

4.Said an IIT graduate: ``I spend at least two hours a day to help young men prepare for the entrance examinations.``

5.Most of the families are poor. But parents have never allowed poverty to dampen the academic pursuits of their children. This is a village which is passionate about education; almost obsessed with it. Children of many weavers are now holding important posts in government agencies like the Defence Research and Development Organisation and top-notch software companies like Wipro and Infosys.

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re: karokaram

{The police `encounter` was stage managed for a purpose. }

...i don`t know why indan agencies are doing an investigation when they can just call an expert spy like you who knows with great confidence what happened...maybe when you are finished there, the CIA can hire you..

A great day,

Today, will remain an important day in pak history, could be celebrated annually as jihad day, the day when the first pakistaby martyred in the US. Ten thousand thronged the stadium. As romair proclaimed, Kasi is a man who decided for himself, the ``non-innocent`` in the islamic tradition and killed them. He is an uncountable, he is not a pakistani who got killed, he got martyred.

The likes of urstruly and romair always quote the statistics, the numbers killed in kashmir, iraq, any where, but the jihadic fodders are never counted simply because in the islamic system the ones who went to heaven are not dead yet.

It is great to know that the essential values of human life is an outcome of the socity in which one grew up, no amount of education and even years of military traing as in the case of romair could alter this.

Human rights and jihad,

Praful kidwai, kuldip nayyar and the so called human rights activists of ndia, talking about the shooting of pakistanis have no idea about jihad. They have so easily forgotten about the hijacking and the realease of dozens of jihadists from indian prison. These lotus eaters should remeber that Omar sheikh, released through hijacking went on to kill Daniel Pearl in pakistan. These jihadists who sneak into india are well supported in pakistan and could be the motives for further hijackings. The fools of india expect the indians to feed these jihadists till their death or till they are released through hostage taking.

These fools owe to the relatives of daniel pearl to kill of the jihadists. Ant sincere human rights activists should call for delivering of shehdad to the dooor steps of jihadists so that others are not killed. These men who stream acroos to india are seeking death and denying them that is to deny heaven to them.

What the delhi police are doing is cost effective and humane for the jihadists. It is time that people understand human rights from a jihadic perspective.

Mr. Moghul

Another good one from you. I think you should write regularly at chowk. I like your tongue-in-cheek style of writing.

People were warning about what is happening now for years. Unfortunately, it took so much murder and mayhem to make people realize that. This emerging consensus that I see in the posts below is too little and too late.

Ferozk and Romair have contributed very well on this thread. Refering to Romair`s last post where he quotes Ramsey Clark ``Is it a coincidence that people who point out and highlight such atrocities rarely, if ever, get any facetime on the TV channels of the countries that are committing the crimes? ``

That is absolutely true. And I amight add that there is an attempt by media for a cover up as well. For example a couple of weeks ago NPR reported about a anti-war protest in New York in the central park. They reported from the grounds that the number of protestors was less than 10K; however, a few days later they announced a correction (at an obscure timing) that according to the park officials and independent sources the attendance at the protest was well over 100K.