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Re: soysauce

The United States always had an imperial streak; from the Manifest Destiny and the Louisana purchase to Alaska. It was only about a hundred years ago that the United States seriouly considered creating an empire and its first imperial foray was the war against Spain in 1899. It was in that war that the United States won Cuba and Philippines from Spain - its most early colonial possessions.

The United States entered the club of imperial powers as an associate power, when the Treaty of Versailles was signed in 1919 and wanted to become an imperial power through a policy of multilateralism - the Leaque of Nations, but the Republican dominated senate rejected this idea. As a result, the United States was enaged in a bitter debate between the proponents of isolationism and internationalism.

The next step in the United States` imperialism was its attempts to carve an influence for itself in China under the guise of the ``Open Door Policy``. China, by the early decades of the 20th century was already divided up amongst the Europeans and since at that time, the United States did not have the required military power to win an empire in China, it opted for diplomacy as a means to gain power.

The Japanese invasion of Manchuria in the 1930s and subsequent events in the Far East would evict the the United States from and the region. It was after the Second World War that the United States, remembering the lessons of the post-Versailled world, opted to use multilateralism to cover its imperial intentions and sought to advance its imperial pretensions under the sanction of the United Nations; guarded its imperial colonies in Europe with the protection of NATO and protected its economic influence in the post Yalta world through the institutions of World Bank and IMF.

It was only recently that the United States came out in the open and has opely admited to its imperial intentions.

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Scott Ritter`s Iraq Complex
By BARRY BEARAK
(excerpts)

At the back of the auditorium, a man cupped his hands over his mouth, improvising a megaphone, the better to bellow:

``Iraq is not the problem. Enron is!``

By then, the waiting crowd had already overstuffed Old Snell Hall on the campus of Clarkson University in northern New York. With all 500 seats filled, 100 people wedged themselves onto spare patches of the peeling linoleum floor. Most of the crowd wanted to hear the case against war, and they were exuberant to be hearing it from Scott Ritter, the onetime United Nations arms inspector and now America`s most unlikely peacenik.

Ritter did not disappoint them, talking powerfully without notes for nearly an hour and drawing the kind of prolonged ovation he has come to expect and relish.

President Bush is force-feeding Americans ``a whole bunch of oversimplified horse manure,`` he told them boldly. ``None of what you are being told remotely resembles the truth. Facts do matter, and it is time that you, the American people, start demanding the facts.`` War is not a video game where a reset button resurrects the corpses, Ritter said.

``War is about dead people.``

At 6-foot-4, Ritter is a man of imposing bulk, with arms long enough to bear-hug a podium. An astonishingly tireless talker, he buries listeners in an avalanche of opinions, anecdotes and details. The pile-up of his words seems all the weightier because he draws on his seven years as a weapons sleuth.

Ritter`s current view, which he dispenses with the earnest vigor of a revivalist, is that the administration`s case against Saddam Hussein is based on elaborate falsehoods and exploited fear.

He says he would ``be surprised if there is anything in Iraq worth finding,`` claiming inspection efforts between 1991 and 1998 resulted in the Iraqis giving up 90 to 95 percent of their most deadly weapons, rendering Saddam ``fundamentally disarmed`` -- if still unrepentantly evil.

His suspicion is that the renewed inspections soon to begin will be but a show trial before the hanging.

``The U.N. resolution is worded to allow President Bush to act militarily without Security Council approval,`` he scoffs. ``For evidence, he`ll pull the same unquestioned charade he has been pulling right along.`` ......(NYT)

12 butt-head,
#145

Thats why we hindians dont mess with the chinks, anymore. We learnt our lesson. Thats the trouble with Pakis...all brawn & no brains..heheh.. Atleast we have the brains to know who to pick a fight with....your dear own invincible Pakistan. Its a lot of fun kicking the ass of you handsome bakras...again & again...its even more fun with you guys cos even after you get a buttwhupping, you claim ``great victory`` & come back for more..

Jeezus...Pakistan hasnt won a frikking war in her glorious history & now has become the defacto headquarters of Al-Qeeda! And Al-Qeeda is going to challenge the world from there! The MMA will be cheering them on...1000s will kiss the corpse of Mir Amal Khansi..whatever...because he is a martyr..a hero of Pakistan...like a shaheed Bhagat Singh..

Mushy better watch out. he`s pretty good at doing a ``monica`` to sugar daddy US,,,,, but his awam feels that its quite unIslamic ...

re: 12-head


....do you like barbecue?...you do?...delicious, isn`t it?...do you like being on the barbecue?...

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re: shrinker

{Heck they cant even defeat the cowardly hindus in a Jihad}

...whatcha talkin about shrinker...one paki soldier is equal to 10 of dem indian ones...

Sri,

You`ve seem to have forgotten to mention the Sikhs and Hindus who joined up with the British National Party to hurt out the Muslims.

The irony is that despite the alliance, the BNP were/are still hell bent on throwing all Desis (irrespective of their background) out.

But then you see, we all realise that those goons are a minoritty and such goons occur amongst every race/nation/religion/community etc. etc. and they are a `clank ka tikka` on their people...quite unlike the dikhead who`s hell bent on writing posts such as 141, 142 etc. etc.

Umer M.

Ref headshrinker #134

[NOBODY of any importance in the US is saying ``maybe we should revise American policy towards Isreal``. Thats tantamount to giving into blackmail.]

No. It is just that the US is a whore that, once bought, stays bought. Just like Pakistan. In the case of Pakistan, Pakistan is the whore and the US is the John. In the case of the US. the US is the whore and Israel is the John.

When sept 11 happenned I really thought all muslim countries are toast. I really thought America will respond with such overwhelming force, all moslems will get see their islamic hell up close. Specifically, I thought America will park one nuclear missile submarine near each one of the muslim countries and begin erasing one country after another. America did not do this inspite of its capability is a testament to their generosity. So Mr. Moghul, inspite of bch` ing and whining you should thank americans for sparing your life.

yet another example muslim thuggery in England http://headlines.sify.com/1393news1.html?headline=Sikh~councillor`s~teenaged~son~attacked~in~UK

England is reduced in to a third world cess pool by muslims.

re shankar:

You are reading the average American mind well. The Muslim world just doesn`t get it. It won`t be a first. Ever since the middle ages, muslims have been phenomenal at picking the wrong sides. The media in the muslim world makes absolutely no sense. Frankly I don`t think moderate muslims stand a chance. Another `spectacular` event by Al-Qaida as you point out and its curtains for them too. The muslim world is headed for a holocaust.

later
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another driver of expansion:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,845129,00.html

``Consequently, a small country like Lithuania, whose economy has collapsed so catastrophically, has just announced the purchase of $34m worth of Stinger missiles, made by the Raytheon Corporation of Tucson, Arizona. When Tanzania announced it was spending $40m on a new civilian air traffic control system, there was an outcry; but Lithuania, whose official GDP is not much larger than Tanzania`s, will have to spend $240m on arms every year as the price for Nato membership. And Lithuania is just one of seven new member states, all of which are spending hundreds of millions of dollars on arms.

The economic interests driving Nato expansion are so blatant that the man who co-ordinates US policy on the matter practically has ``military-industrial complex`` as his middle name. Bruce Jackson, president of the US committee on Nato, is a former military intelligence officer in the US army who became vice-president of Lockheed Martin, the gigantic US arms manufacturer and biggest provider of financial control and accounting services to the Pentagon, from whose accounts trillions of dollars have disappeared``

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ferozk #126
The US thinks sufficient money and military muscle will allow it to reach its goals whatever the mess a war in Iraq creates. This is a public perception in the US since WWII and I think its dangerously delusional. If the US by chance triggers off WWIII in the region, IMO, this will no longer hold true.

And I can`t understand the boundless self-satisfaction which leads the US to plan a war in a country next door to Iran while refusing the Iranian Ambassador at the UN, permission to spend a day talking to US lawmakers in Washington DC!

Pankaj, Sac

Since your expertise in the area of energy production far exceeds mine, I will humbly concede that the US wants Arab oil, & will want it in the forseeable future..

I`m not an expert on most issues; but I do have a teeny tiny bit of expertise in how a human mind works & how people THINK. I see about 20-25 different AVERAGE Americans in a day. Let me straighten a prejudice that society has (ESP S.Asians in the US)....average NON-PSYCHOTIC Americans see shrinks in America...esp shrinks in pvt practice..

I happen to talk to them about their inner fears, insecurities & anger. Whenever the topic goes to the state of affairs in the world & how it is directly affecting their daily lives ...I see ANGER...towards Arabs...NOT towards Jews. BTW, MidMichigan isnt NYC, there are very few Jews here & many Michiganders are openly anti-Semitic (esp in a ``safe`` environment of a psychiatrists` office)....NEVER MIND that I dont even look like your typical American Joe...heck most AVERAGE Americans dont know the difference between an Ay-rab & Indian..

Another ``spectacular`` attack by Al-Qeeda in the US..& all bets will be off. When it comes to basic security; civil liberties take a back seat. Yes, the ACLU will piss & moan...but it wont change the mindset of an average American.

Here`s my cynicism to this article. This is the time when moderate muslims should seize the moment & come out swinging against Al-Qeeda...& even Saddam. Otherwise it will be too late. What I`m seeing, though, is just the opposite. Yes the moderate muslim has firmly denounced Al-Qeeda. But he/she is doing it in a very quiet ``dignified`` way. Its drowned out by images of huge crowds of muslims, all over the world, denouncing American hypocrisy, burning the stars & stripes & calling Americans an evil, shameless culture. And you want to blame the Western press for portraying this image?

Even muslim intellectuals like Mr Moghul & posters on Chowk are more critically focussed on American hypocrisy & America`s inability to see the world justly. You are blaming the press for being biased. What social justice are you seeing in Islamic countries? When it comes to social justice, MIGHT IS RIGHT in the Islamic world! Saddam, Mubarak, Saudi princes, Mushy etc etc havent come to power in a JUST way. They have no problem letting their people criticise the hypocrisy of America...but what about their own hypocrisy? But the Arab ``street`` believes all its problems come from US-Israeli hegemony? C`maaan!!... Its very easy to find fault in others. Just look at ourselves in the mirror.

When America is angry, you want to wring your hands & give Americans a lecture?!. Lament about the injustice in the non-Islamic (esp American) world all you want...they are in no mood to listen. What is the Al-Qeeda doing? Its threatening America (& their muslim chamchas)..either you make a U-turn in your foreign policy, or we`ll make your lives miserable. Thats BLACKMAIL--pure & simple! No human being likes to be blackmailed..no matter how hypocritical he or his country is.. So Mr Moghul`s article may get a standing ovation with a sympathetic audience like Chowk...but NOT with the average American. Please REFLECT on what the average American has said in this recent election.

Your fundos have declared a Jihad with some of the most powerful nations in the world. Heck they cant even defeat the cowardly hindus in a Jihad...& they want to take on the whole world?! The beards are going to get a jihad they wont believe...& you guys can shed tears about all the civilian muslims massacred by these godless Ameicans...wont make a difference.

When God doesnt intervene, Might BECOMES Right...just what part of that do you not understand?!