Three Hard Questions and Quest for Their Solution

any way like the third quantum logic this cannot be said with surety that fermat did not have the proof so in the case of GOD why do we need to discuss and boggle our ``bright`` minds in search for an answer to the very basic question .it is told in the Quran ``for you your belief and for me mine`` so forget about it and do some purposeful work

nasah jee

Unfortunately I do not have any understanding of medical research because my area of research is chemical engineering. But I am aware of the prominence of the journals like Science, Nature, Physics Review Letters, Langmuir, Journal of Fluid Mechanics etc in their respective fields.

nasah:

Any new discovery contributing to the development of scientific knowledge is a thing of beauty. And ``a thing of beauty is joy forever.``

Let this be incentive for others.

Dear Pankaj -- thanks – yes – to be published in Science was and still is a privilege –

Ah -- those good old heady days of unfettered research –

yes -- that work was an original trail blazer – Science was very kind to me – they published two more papers of mine later on – it was all about discovering a unique group of very electropositive proteins from the white blood cells -- called the granulocytes or PMN – the highly positively charged proteins killed various bacteria like crazy – by combng with the negatively charged membranes of the infecting organsms.

I named them cationic proteins of the leukocyte granules – they were later found to be widely distributed in the white cells of most species -- and turned out to be one of the major biochemical determinants of innate immunity -- in humans and animals –

btw -- the joy of my first paper being published in Science was totally marred by the murder of JFK the same week --

World on path to disaster: scientist

By David Hearst

LONDON: President George Bush, hijacked by hardliners in his administration, is setting the world on a course towards nuclear disaster, a founder of the nuclear deterrence policy said.

The 1995 Nobel peace laureate, Professor Sir Joseph Rotblat, accused the US of developing a policy which regarded nuclear weapons as bad, if in the possession of some states or groups, but good if they were kept by the US for the sake of world security.

The fact that it had signed the non-proliferation treaty and was legally bound to the elimination of nuclear weapons was ignored, he told a London non-proliferation conference, sponsored by the London-based Guardian newspaper and jointly-hosted by the Royal United Services Institute for Defence Studies and Physicians for Social Responsibility.

``Nuclear arsenals will have to be retained indefinitely, not just as a weapon of last resort, or as a deterrent against a nuclear attack, but as an ordinary tool in the military armoury, to be used in the resolution of conflicts, and even in pre-emptive strikes, should political contingencies demand it. ``

This is in essence the current US nuclear policy, and I see it as a very dangerous policy.``

Sir Joseph said that Mr Bush had already authorised the development of a new nuclear warhead of low yield but with a shape that would give it a high power to penetrate concrete, the so-called ``bunker-busting mini-nuke``.

This would have to be tested.

If the US resumed nuclear testing, it would give a signal to China to do the same. Other new arrivals to the nuclear club, such as India and Pakistan would use the window of opportunity created by Washington to do the same.

``The danger of a new nuclear arms race is real,`` Sir Joseph said.

India`s declared policy was not to use nuclear weapons first, but if the US make pre-emptive attacks part of its own doctrine, it would give India the legitimacy to carry out a pre-emptive strike against Pakistan.

Taiwan represented another potential trigger for pre-emptive nuclear strikes by the United States and now so too did North Korea, which might already be in possession of two nuclear warheads.

Israel, which kept nuclear weapons and would not allow their acquisition by other countries in the Middle East, had destroyed the Iraqi Osiraq reactor, the first case of a pre-emptive strike on a nuclear installation.

The glaring asymmetry of the US in its relations with Israel and the Palestinians was being exploited by radical groups in the Arab world.

He said: ``By utilising the tremendous advances in technology for military purposes, the United States has built up an overwhelming military superiority, exceeding many-fold the combined military strength of all other nations.

``It is claimed that this is necessary for world security, but act-ually what such a policy amounts to is to rest the security of the world on a balance of terror.``

Arms control, he said, was as good as dead. The only way out of the disaster that lay ahead was to put the goal of total nuclear disarmament back on the agenda.

``We have to convince the public that the continuation of current policies, in which the security of the world is maintained by the indefinite retention of nuclear weapons, is not realistic in the long run, because it is bound eventually to result in a nuclear holocaust in which the future of the human race would be at stake. ``We must convince public opinion that the only alternative is the total elimination of nuclear weapons.`` Gaurdian/Dawn)

tahmed:

Okay, here is the title of a book which contains the proof. I haven`t read it though; I scanned its table of contents. Try to borrow it from a library; a university library is the best shot. The title of the book is as follows:

Modular Forms and Fermat`s Last Theorem, by Joseph H. Silverman
and Glenn Stevens

The book is available through Amazon. com and Powell Books; the price range is $21.47 (for old) and $41.42 (for new). There may be other books also.

Wish you best of luck.

nasah

You must have done some real good work to get a paper in Science !!! Accept my belated congratulations.

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freethinker #35 Thanks for the link. Unfortunately, that page is no longer available on the web. Seems like Wiles` solution is as elusive as Fermats` problem.

JBSameer #9

Sameer Sahib, I`m flattered you liked that paragraph of mine. The words were my own. However, the idea of identifying God with baffled ignorance seems too obvious to be new.

The long-term trend in advancing scientific knowledge has been to show that natural phenomena both large-scale and microscopic that appear marvelous in their complexity and apparent perfection, actually obey simple elegant laws that operate uniformly, inflexibly and without exception. From a universe that required moment-to-moment intervention by an omnipresent, omnipotent being, one progresses to a universe whose complex structure and governing simple laws required design in the minutest detail by a creating Architect, and then to a universe whose complex structures are shown to consistent, both in their behaviour and their historical evolution, with the impartial, remorseless operation of those simple laws.

Thus the Governing God who at one time was thought to be present ready to intervene at every point in spacetime, was first demoted to the Architect who could be pushed out to an indefinite point in the past at which he created the clockwork and set it in motion, and then shown up to be an Unnecessary Hypothesis.

In other words the boundary between understanding, systematic knowledge (Science) and ignorant awe (God, if you prefer) has been pushed back further and further. The actual size of the boundary may have increased somewhat because of our more detailed and in-depth awareness of the current limits of our knowledge. It is unclear to me whether it will keep expanding indefinitely or actually shrink at some time in the future.

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Re. time travel, cold fusion and such, you were probably being unfair to these fields in putting them at the same level as `Proof of the existence of God`.

One can at least objectively, empirically evaluate specific claims that cold fusion has been achieved.

As for time travel, one can likewise at least try to show how time travel might be consistent with some commonly accepted description of physical reality. One extremely famous and distinguished 20th century mathematician did actually do this.

Whereas those who obsess over the so-called question of existence of God never clarify exactly what they`re looking for. A claim that by its nature and definition is so vague that it cannot be refuted either empirically or deductively has no connection with either empirical or logical truth; considering it is a simple waste of time.

tahmed:

Regarding Wiles’ proof, you can look up the following web page.

http://www.gotmath.com/fit/

I got this address from Charles Daney who has posted several links on FLT. The proof may not be included in one book or one web. I’ve not opened it myself.

Trillium:

Surely, there are many more questions which are occupying the attention of the scientists and mathematicians. Niels Bohr and Einstein had engaged in discussion (EPR thought experiment) regarding the probabilistic character of Quantum Mechanics without reaching any agreement. Both of them died sticking to their respective guns. This discussion lasted over a period of some thirty years.

Einstein was a determinist (believer of cause –effect paradigm) and believed that if sufficient information were available at the sub-atomic level, Quantum Mechanics should also reduce to deterministic science. This gave birth to the idea of ‘missing variables’ which was exploited by David Bohm but no prominent scientist believed his theory. So far there is nothing to support Einstein’s thesis.

TOE is not a pipe dream although it is still hard to predict when it will come to fruition. In the last decade of the twentieth century, there was a lot of optimism and euphoria about the superstrings theory; it was believed to unify the fundamental forces of nature. Now it appears that the superstrings theory by itself cannot do the trick; Quantum Loop Theory combined with the Superstrings theory is considered to complete the unification task. Let us see what happens next.

The evolutionary history of the FLT illustrates that many more new steps and new branches of knowledge might be needed to tame this problem. One has to continue taking these steps to reach the final destination.

Einsteinwallah:

Unification of fundamental forces is being sought using mathematical manipulations. Mathematicians can deal with space of numerous dimensions. The fifth dimension was a mathematical necessity. One of the models that seems promising for unification requires a universe of ten dimensions. Physicists have explained it away saying that the six extra dimensions had existed at the time of the Big bang but soon afterwards, they rolled up into an infinitesimally small manifold. Better physical comprehension will come later after the mathematicians have done their part.

Many physicists have objected to the mathematical unification that is being tried for the simple reason that it cannot be verified experimentally. And a theory which cannot be verified experimentally is not credible. Be that as it may. Unifications is one of the very big challenges for the human analytical skills and theoretical physicists and mathematicians are attracted to it like iron filings to a magnet.

Was`salam

now chowk don`t chicken out -- publish it :------)
:-) -- :-) -- :-)

Hasan sahab,

A pleasure reading your post. Insha-Allah will look your papers up tomorrow.

``when I dissected a unicellular whit blood cell -- I was thunderstruck -- by the awesome complexity of a unicellular organism -- what to talk about us -- the multicelluar ones --``

That`s exactly what I love about it; the beguiling intricacies of life at the cellular level; sometimes it`s almost poetry (apoptosis, for example). If I didn`t love patient interaction so much, I would have gone into pure science, pathology or immunology. As it is, I`ve found a satisfying compromise with Hematology and Oncology; insha-Allah hope I get into a fellowship program that allows me to pursue the pure science aspect of it.

It`s been a pleasure, Hasan sahab. Thank you.

Respectfully,

Aamir

``kahin mujhe aap se recommendation letter na maangna parhe apni residency ke liye! ;) ````
(dr ansari)

any time Aamir miaN -- u r most welcome..

``You cannot believe that which I do and neither can I subscribe completely to your set of views.````(AA)

of course.

btw -- I used to believe what u do -- when I was ur age -- before I discovered a unique substance in the white blood cells (polymorponuclear leukocytes/ PMN) that kills the invading bacteria -- isolated the chemical -- characterized it and published it -- as First of my three papers -- in Science, November 23, 1963 -- am I ancient or what:-)

when I dissected a unicellular whit blood cell -- I was thunderstruck -- by the awesome complexity of a unicellular organism -- what to talk about us -- the multicultural ones --

it convinced me for all times to come that -- no GOD anywhere in this Universe or beyond other universes -- could EVER have built such an intricate -- interconnected machinery -- at such a microscopic level -- in ONE stroke --

without learning the ropes Himself -- without training -- and without making -- trillions of mistakes -- and rejecting them... in `bits and pieces` -- by `trial and error` -- over billions of years.

That is -- without EVOLUTON --

that is -- a Knowledgeable God -- CANNOT exist without EVOLUTION --

He must (successfully) EVOLVE over the billions of years -- with the evolution of the Universe -- or must PERISH -- as one of the billions of failed experiments of nature....

and pleeze nobody tell me that – God is ALL Knowledgeable – that is just a jumble of words – it doesn’t necessarily prove -- He is… because someone says so...

I know this is strong stuff for u at ur age -- and u don`t have to agree with anything I say -- but do continue to read and keep an open mind -- and by all means if u can find an opportunity -- do some basic cellular research in your fellowship years -- besides the clinical stuff ...

best wishes for ur residency

hasan

``kahin mujhe aap se recommendation letter na maangna parhe apni residency ke liye! ;) ````
(dr ansari)

any time Aamir miaN -- u r most welcome..

``You cannot believe that which I do and neither can I subscribe completely to your set of views.````(AA)

of course

btw -- I used to believe what u do -- when I was ur age -- before I discovered a unique substance in the white blood cells (polymorponuclear leukocytes/ PMN) that kills the invading bacteria -- isolated the chemical -- characterized it and published it -- as First of my three papers -- in Science, November 23, 1963 -- am I ancient or what:-)

when I dissected a unicellular whit blood cell -- I was thunderstruck -- by the awesome complexity of a unicellular organism -- what to talk about us -- the multicelluar ones --

it convinced me for all times to come that -- no GOD anywhere in this Universe or beyond other universes -- could EVER have built such an intricate -- interconnected machinery -- at such a microscopic level -- in ONE stroke --

without learning the ropes Himself -- without training -- and without making -- trillions of mistakes -- and rejecting them... in `bits and pieces` -- by `trial and error` -- over billions of years.

That is -- without EVOLUTON --

that is -- a Knowledgeable God -- CANNOT exist without EVOLUTION -- He must (successfully) EVOLVE over the billions of years -- with the evolution of the Universe -- or must PERISH -- as one of the billions of failed experiments of nature....

and pleeze nobody tell me that – God is ALL Knowledgeable – that is just a collection English words – it doesn’t necessarily prove -- He is…

I know this is strong stuff for u at ur age -- and u don`t have to agree with anything I say -- but do continue to read and keep an open mind -- and by all means if u can find an opportunity -- do some basic cellular research in your fellowship years -- besides the clinical stuff ...

best wishes for ur residency

hasan

Shah sahab; thank you for referring me to those books. I`ve been meaning to read the Origins of Virtue for some time now; strangely enough was referred to it through a talk by Prince Hassan of Jordan when he came to speak at our school a while ago. I`ve read a few chromosomes out of Matt Ridley`s Genome and if it`s anything like that, it should be a good read.

Hasan sahab; ahmaq-ul-makhlooqat; yes it certainly seems that way doesn`t it. :o(

``you must have FAITH in your REASON... `` I do, and reason enough to know that there are many things I do not yet know. And faith to keep on learning, to Read (Iqra)!
I see we are on opposite sides of a fairly aged dialogue. You cannot believe that which I do and neither can I subscribe completely to your set of views. To you your way then and to me mine. I can only hope that time, ours preferably, serves to resolve the incongruities between our two viewpoints.

Sincerely,

Aamir

ps. ``as a scientistist, as a biologist, as a medical doctor, and as a clinician par excellence. . .`` itni taareef mut karein Hasan sahab; kahin mujhe aap se recommendation letter na maangna parhe apni residency ke liye! ;)