Fair and Lovely

#32 Hamidm2

[........ on the other hand there is gz whose only criteria is that she should be a muslima - doesn`t matter if she is cockeyed ad bandy legged]
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jaan-e Ghalib

Is it astaghfar-Allah or Subhan-Allah that I should utter. Yaa akhee never before this, and by anyone have , I been placed in this quandry.

Knowing my perversions for the kinky and the absurd am I supposed to drool at the fantasy of a cock-eyed girl? I am trying my best to imagine a girl who has one eye phallus-shaped. What is her other eye like? You are silent about that. Now If you really mean a girl who has already eyed, even once, a cock and therefore must be unhalaal for me you are totally off your rocker. Remember this , in Islamic sex, every kaafir, zindeeque, murtid, and near-muslim is HALAAL. In such matters Islam strictly advises to go by THEIR rules...and it is not without the concealed wisdom that Allah aqueisces to such vagrancies by the Ummah.

OTOH, I am terribly firightened. Can you suggest an equivalent word in the english language which is like fatal-attraction. I mean a combo of love & fear? like making it out with the black-widow? Philo-Phobia-amour.
The inadequacy of this farangi lingo can only be understood by those a little brilliant.

Please not that I keep a copy each of `the protocols of the elders of Zion` and `kamasutra` on the same shelf & in the same category...OBSOLETE, and this I did before I obtained my driving license!

Agreeing with you a whole lot please tell me why centre-spreads and strip-show girls or hookers do not post their IQ`s or ESL or TOEFL results to cover their tits & asses. After violating & penetrating an innumberable ( amnesia for numbers..I`m of low IQ) mistresses of their domains I can issue certificates that none of them volunteered for removing the digits from their decimal places or objecting to the use of the whitener on miss-takes (sic).

{PS: wrote in a rush. must heed the resident tyrant.

Hamidm,

Are you implying that I`m a liberal? Bhaijan, it pains me to have to remind you that I was a liberal when I was three....I have long since developed into an unapologetic progressive. Ask Mrs. Hamidji or your daughters for further clarification :).

It may come down to personal preferences, but Bina brings up an excellent point when she asks us to question our preferences. I`m sure that no one on this board would have any trouble marrying Rekha, etc. But what does it mean to value physical beauty above intelligence, personality, talent, physical strength, etc.? And as Bina pointed out, how does it subtly affect gender/social interactions? How is this tied to Pakistan`s besottedness with everything Arab, including the fairer complexions of some Arab people, who believe me, are not better looking than desi folk? And, how does color relate to class?

I understand that in the long wrong, some of this may mean absolutely nothing, but I have heard stories of daughter in laws and grandchildren girls whose complexions are viewed with some concern, and this from the older Pakistani khandans! Have we forgotten that we are South Asian? A few of the interactors made a good point in advising us to automatically challenge this older racism whenenver we come across it, until it becomes clear that we dont agree with these prejudices.

saminashah

...... i know i can sometimes stretch a point, but in this case i am quite serious about the generally accepted standards of beauty (gasb)......... sometimes the liberals go a little overboard in trying to be politically correct ....... of course, if the this bias against homely people leads to discrmination in employment or housing, then it is bad and should be condemned ......... however, you can`t blame us for being a little picky in who we want to go to bed with ............

........ on the other hand there is gz whose only criteria is that she should be a muslima - doesn`t matter if she is cockeyed ad bandy legged ............

Ally,

No one disagrees with this stupendously earthshattering revelation...even Hamid who takes his role as the Devil`s advocate quite seriously. And let me add that GZ is really going out on a limb here in being against racism...(being sarcastic here)

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ghalib mian,

``It is those who think that knowing english & behaving westernish is a sure-fire sign of intelligence, learning, and being modern``

......... when you start writing on the chowk in arabic and discard your pants for a night-shirt and when the saudis start treating you as an equal, then we will accept your tall claims about the ummah and other such nonsense ........we might even believe your theories about the 4000 missing jews......... till then, we will continue to assume that ``westernish`` behaviour is a sign of good personal hygiene, modernity and sanity ........

In all fairness Saminasha, GZ does have a point. In that as Muslims or Hindus or whatever we shouldn`t look down on others or discriminate due to colour, as is the case with South Asian people now...

Loved the article Bina, its very true, also love your style of writing, take care... Ally A

Re: 26

In other words, AlephNull kicked GZ`s post all around the board which sent GZ into a spasm of uncontrollable jihadijerkswithallhissadlittlewordsspspspspilllingout....

The top illiterate & ignorants among Indi-Pakis are not the 90% or more of the populace. It is those who think that knowing english & behaving westernish is a sure-fire sign of intelligence, learning, and being modern.
They obtain `honours` in this kind of corrupt behaviour when they gloat that they have `forgotten` their mother tongues.That they always have a feeling that they are always getting misplaced by Destiny.

It is good news that the numbers of such johnnywalkers and jennytalkers is reaching extinction level. Pretty soon they will be geography, of another piece of earth. Projects to hasten their early demise must be continued. Make their associations with respected muslim groups, where they let others assume their muslimness, as uncomfortable, painful, and traumatic as possible. Hookers & Leftists, pimps and atheists should never ever be allowed to steal any respectability even by osmosis.
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ISLAM AGAINST RACISM AND PREJUDICE
Islam`s manifesto of Universal brotherhood of human beings
Quran and Sunnah about racism and prejudice

From the Quran

``O Mankind, We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other. Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is he who is the most righteous of you`` (49:13).

Explanation: There are several principles, which this verse presents:

This message is not just for Muslims only because Allah is addressing all of humanity. While Muslims are one brotherhood, this is part of a larger brotherhood of humanity.
Allah is telling us that He has created us. Therefore He knows the best about us.
He says that He created us from one man and one woman meaning then that we are all the same.
It also means that all human beings are created through the same process, not in a manner in which some are created with a better mechanism than others.
Allah is the One who made human beings into different groups and people.
These differences are not wrong, rather a sign from Allah (``And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colors. Verily, in that are indeed signs for those who know`` [Quran 30:22]).
Note that no word equivalent to race is used in this ayah or any other verse of the Quran.
Islam, however, limits the purpose of these distinctions to differentiation and knowing each other. This is not meant to be a source of beating each other down with an attitude of ‘my group is better than your group` or false pride as is the case with tribalism, nationalism, colonialism, and racism.
The only source of preference or greatness among human beings is not on a national or group level, but it is at the individual level.
One individual who is (higher in Taqwa), more conscious of his Creator and is staying away from the bad and doing the good is better, no matter what nation, country or caste he is part of. Individual piety is the only thing that makes a person better and greater than the other one.
However, the only criterion of preference, Taqwa, is not measurable by human beings. Indeed Allah is the One Who knows and is aware of everything so we should leave even this criterion to Allah to decide instead of human beings judging each other.
These are the deeply embedded ideals of Islam which still bring people to this way of life even though Muslims are not on the best level of Iman today. This is what changed the heart of a racist Malcolm X when he performed Hajj in Makkah. This is the power that brought Muhammad Ali to Islam. This is what still attracts the Untouchables of India towards Islam. This is the theory which convinced noted historian Professor A.J. Toynbee in 1948 to say that: ``The extinction of race consciousness as between Muslims is one of the outstanding achievements of Islam, and in the contemporary world there is, as it happens, a crying need for the propagation of this Islamic virtue.``

Let`s ask ourselves if the Muslim Ummah today, in its individual and collective behavior is striving to adopt and promote these Islamic ideals?

From the Sunnah

1. Prophet`s response to racist comments:

A man once visited the Prophet`s mosque in Madinah. There he saw a group of people sitting and discussing their faith together. Among them were Salman (who came from Persia), Suhayb who grew up in the Eastern Roman empire and was regarded as a Greek, and Bilal who was an African. The man then said:

``If the (Madinan) tribes of Aws and Khazraj support Muhammad, they are his people (that is, Arabs like him). But what are these people doing here?``

The Prophet became very angry when this was reported to him. Straightaway, he went to the mosque and summoned people to a Salat. He then addressed them saying:

``O people, know that the Lord and Sustainer is One. Your ancestor is one, your faith is one. The Arabism of anyone of you is not from your mother or father. It is no more than a tongue (language). Whoever speaks Arabic is an Arab.`` (As quoted in Islam The Natural Way by Abdul Wahid Hamid p. 125)

2. Statement of the universal brotherhood in the last Sermon:

O people, Remember that your Lord is One. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a black has no superiority over white, nor a white has any superiority over black, except by piety and good action (Taqwa). Indeed the best among you is the one with the best character (Taqwa). Listen to me. Did I convey this to you properly? People responded, Yes. O messenger of Allah, The Prophet then said, then each one of you who is there must convey this to everyone not present. (Excerpt from the Prophet`s Last Sermon as in Baihiqi)

3. Don`t take pride in ancestry:

The Prophet said: Let people stop boasting about their ancestors. One is only a pious believer or a miserable sinner. All men are sons of Adam, and Adam came from dust (Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi).

4. Looking down upon other people will stop you from entering the Jannah:

The Prophet said: Whoever has pride in his heart equal to the weight of an atom shall not enter Paradise. A man inquired about a person who likes to wear beautiful clothes and fine shoes, and he answered: Allah is beautiful and likes beauty. Then he explained pride means rejecting the truth because of self-esteem and looking down on other people (Muslim).

5. The Prophet condemnation of Arab racial pride:

There are many hadith, which repeatedly strike on the Arab pride of jahiliyyah. Arabs before Islam used to look down upon others specially blacks. The Prophet repeatedly contrasted the believing Africans versus non-believing Arab nobles.

The Prophet said: You should listen to and obey your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian slave whose head looked like a raisin (Bukhari).

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Hamid Sahib,

Asian eyes are gorgeous, they make our eyes look boring in comparision. Sometimes I think of all the Chinese, Japanese and Korean folk running around looking at each other underneath that heartbreaking fold of lid-no wonder they find each other so attractive. I`m also partial to desis with Asian folds and I cant put my finger on why. Are there any desis out there with ``asian`` eyes? Can you answer a few questions like, do you feel you are treated as a more beautiful person because of your eyes? And also, does that fold interfere in your vision at all?
Other thing South Asians are gorgeous in all skin tones, esp. deep brown women...they make their sisters look, whats that phrase? as if they were pulled out of the oven unbaked....

............ and what about double eyelids? ........ one out of three korean and japanese women get their eyes widened to meet GASB ( generally accepted standard of beauty) and, if i may say so, they look beautiful ........ and anyone who says that slits for eyes are okay needs to have his head examined ........ sure, god made us all - but he made mistakes, okay?..........

......... i know people get defensive about looks - usually it is ugly people who can`t accept the fact that maybe god put them on earth for some other reason - like creating microsoft or coming up with the theory of relativity ............ leave the beautiful people alone - they look beautiful and that`s all they have to do .......... there is enough ugliness in the world to go around and then some ............so when mrs hamidm suggested she might need a little botox i was more than happy to oblige, and if my daughter wants a nose-job to keep up with nicole kidman, sure why not ............ beauty is a wonderous thing even if it is skin deep...........

Nice article, Bina. Reminded me of Saad Shafqat`s ``The Overlooked Problem of Pakistani Racism``.

{So when DID this `advanced` stupidity creep in among muslims?}

A question, forsooth!

{When this stupidity started. I think near abouts 1857 may not be a bad idea... when the muslims started emulating the english.}

I supect rather earlier.

More likely it began:

when - these Indigenes - and mestizos with, oh, the merest sprinkling of Central Asian ancestry - began giving themselves the airs of a martial uber-race of Persian and Turkic and Arab conquistadors.

when - they began to say, of those OTHER Indigenes - the `Hunood` - THEIR men have no valour - THEIR women no honour - THEIR flowers no perfume

when - they began to say: `the Indoo should never rise above his appointed servile station of docile, law-abiding employee`

Learn to look into your own Heart of Darkness.

P.S. As for Qaloopatraa, if this is Cleopatra, who dallied with Caesar and suckled the asp, she was not black, recent revisionist historiography notwithstanding. She was the last ruler of an intentionally incestuously inbred dynastic line of Ptolemies, founded by one of Alexander of Macedon`s generals. So Cleopatra`s ancestry was in all likelihood just as Greek as her name, or Macedonian at a pinch.

Bina,
Well done! There are unmistakable flashes of humor and brilliance in here...I think Minhaj`s post identified one of them :)

We are color struck...and this also happens among East Asians....anyone have an idea of why that is? In the past, in the West, fairness meant money, not having to work and now the principle is the same with getting tanned-leisure time to lie in the sun...when I taught ESL, a met alot of Japanese young people who made an effort to be tanned..in this case, it was a cultural appearance thing and homage to Blackness and hiphop...one of the brightest and sweetest students I knew dressed in fly girl gear and was deeply brown....are the younger generations negotiating race in another way? Happily, it seems so....but, we all need to constantly confront color struckness whenever it rears its bleached little head....

I realised how futile it was to argue with the gora school the day someone in my family chastised me for goglling over a photo of Maliaka Arora in Bombay Times... ``how can you call her beautiful---she`s so daaaaaark``

On the other hand, there IS something about a peaches-n-cream comp. that takes the breath away.... like HamidM says it`s an accepted standard of beauty... one of the ticking points, so to speak. So why grumble?

But I`ll go for Indian gora over firang gora anyday! Can`t stand those yuckky freckles.

In the end of course, ``wheatish`` rocks :))