History Rehearsing: Dark Ages of Islam

good self-reflection

if more muslims do such self-criticism, it will help them get out of the mullah-imposed moral blockades.

Mr Nadeemkhan,

I do not get you? Now this query and comments are disorganised you have so thoroughly confused me that I am not able to understand your position? Are you Hindu or Muslim. Pakistani or Indian. Islam lover or Hater. You seem some type of Muslim equivalent of Fundamentalist Protestant Black Christian. Problem with Hindu as religion but Proud of some mythical ancestry of Indu and Proud of Islam but problem with Arabia and Syed. And positively hostile to Bengalis and South Indians. (Come to think of it there are South Indians and North Indians the only East Indians are what we are called in America and West Indians actually a little East of that led till recently by one BrianLara). If I have one fear in Life is the South Indians and the Gujjus and Maharashtra and South MP and Orissa will Secede from India an we would be left with the northern badlands. Agreed there is one problem with Bengalis that they elect Commies but thats different.

Now let anyone call himself Sayeed how does it matter. Jats are physically big people the only people of this size in Gujarat are Patels, durbars, Thakore and OBC Rajputs. Gandhi was a Baniya and the only Kshatriya Banias are Marwaris. We have Hindu Punjabi Gandhi`s though the only ones I have met are Khatris not Jats. And I am sorry Gandhi was as tall as a 12 yr old Jat. So it is difficult to imagine him let alone call him one.

BTW one could understand your dislike of Bengalis for secession but what in the world have southerners done to you. Also Tipu Sultan unlike his father was a mass murderer so how can you call him a hero unless converting people by sword is your idea of being a hero or because the people he mass murdered were Tamilians and Coorgis and Kanndigas and Malyalis all South Indians whom you hate so much?

Also Aryan Invasion theory has been broken and what was supposed to be Indus Valley may well turn out to be Saraswati Valley initial data points to that?

Sir jee:

i am not struggling by any means; I said I was sorry to belittle others religion and that is the extent of my apology...

Jat and Gujjars are more readily assocaited with Punjabis than Sindhi or Pahans.. I have quoted a reliable source which establishes Gandhi as a Jat sub-caste...u have to come up with an equally good source ro be quier..there is a gentleman in faisalabad pakistan who claims to be a gandhi jat and I am sure there are more in east punjab if one waw to ask them..1883 was not the kind of year tha Gandhi was an household name...Gujraati is not a caste as is Punjabi or Sindhi...think about it

re:#80 by nadeemkhan
Khan Miyan,
I see you struggling in a quicksand and slowly going down. Gandhi was a punjabi! And now this pearl, ``By punjabi I mean the Indus valley civilization... punjbis being the dominant``
At least, you are making some Indian punjabis on chowk happy i hope. But please stop making an A$$ of yourself.
Sridhar

By punjabi I mean the Indus valley civilization... punjbis being the dominant...Gujrati is not a caste as Sindhi or Punjabi is not...There are Balochs in unjba that congregated in this area when anarchy was the order of the day..similarly in Sindh, there are Baluchs, and Punjabis....Mahras and Jatois...

It was presumptious on my part to declare Gandhi a Punjabi, maybe an Indu and not Hindu is in order..there is a difference between the inhabitants of Indus valley and Hindus ( primarily due to the color of their skin) Hundus or Hindis as referred to by Persians are people of dark color..

why would would elevn percent of Punjabi based Jats returned as Gandhi in 1883, long before Mahatama (sic) Gandhi was to to take the mantle...
none of the Gandhi lovers and the great Sayyeds have bothered to answer that?

re: hindu ki aulad

thanks for enlightening me, especially enjoyed the janj breaking part.

Honourless Syed is away with the fairies.What I would like to know about the rest,who seem to be sane, is how you know about the sex life of Hindus when most of you seem to hardly know any of them.
Nadeemkhan,Gandhi was a Gujarati and a bania.Why don`t you read The Story of My Experiments with Truth,it might stop you from making embarassing mistakes like that?
I can`t believe Pakistanis,not only do you pretend you know more about Indian food than Indians,you try to make it look like you know more about Gandhi than Indians do.I had every little bit of his biography drilled into my head as a schoolgirl.
Tipu Sultan was not only Indian,he was South Indian-yes,from invader stock,but so are most people,including Indians, in some way or the other.
When you find nothing of substance to say,all you can think of is meaningless vitriol.What`s wrong with you guys,think of imaginative abuse if you`re going to use it.Why bring down the level of the debate if you have nothing to say?Stand near the Wagah border and scream instead.But I forget that most of you are too comfortably rugged up in the West,taking the abuses Westerners throw at you everyday, to bother about travelling the long road to Wagah.Why bother?

In resp to nadeemkhan
Well nadeemkhan if you read my post closely it will answer all the questions that you have posed, its a matter of looking for them. Concering tipu sultan, well his genealogy is rigorously authenticated, and he is very far from being a punjabi. He in fact is one of the ``INVADER`` type muslims, from Makkah. Now if he is from Makkah, then it defuncts your theory of all Muslims claiming to be of arab descent, where in fact they are children of converts. Now another important flaw in your argument is that you say if we are born and bred in the subcontinent, then we should stop looking for our ancestors in arabia, well in that case tipu sultan and his father were born and bred in the deccans, then why should we look for his ancestors in punjab, where his great grandfather spent some time of his life. Now to the matter of Syeds, yes there are several fake ones, but that doesnt mean all are fake, there have been several notable Syeds, whose genealogies are unquestionable, and in one of my posts in chowk, i have given several examples, if required i can provide them again.

r.a.janjua:

do u know your history before you can question someones elses...Janjuas of the salt range were the Rajputs of Bhatnair who were kicked out of their kin as no lands were available for them to rule...they settled in Malot, a place about 30 km of Choa Saidan Shah and about 20 km of Kalar Kahar...the Rajput kings ruled till the time Shahabuddin Ghouri came around and defeated Ghaggars and Rajputs...the Rajput King in defiance to his change of faith. i.e from Hindu to Muslim broke off the traditional Janj, the necklace worn by Rajuputs, and hence were known as Janjuas, or the ones who broke the Janj...the janjuas and the chaudries of Chakwal were amongs the foremost who presented cash and kind to Babar once he was in Kalar Kahar...

So Mr. R.A.Janjua go and figure who is who?

So am I Naqashbandi bhai, it was a certain statement by someone which go me all fired up and I ended up disrespecting a religion..something that I despise myself...I am sorry to all who I have offended with my callous remarks about their dieties...

But as far as Tipu Sultan, Gandhi, and Sayyeds, I stand by my words and I would ask my detractrors to contact me personally than via Chowk

Whilst I am guilty of being insenstive to Hindu sentiments, for which I have apologized in my last post, none of the so called intellectuals have yet responded to my post about Gandhi being a sub-caste of Jats and Jats and Gujjars being the original tribes who ousted the Darvadians from Indus valley...

Now this Mr. Janjua, a descendant of a convert himself is trying to sound so articulate...For history of Janjuas please refer to me in private and I will tell you all about it...

As for Honorable_Syed and his contention of deen being jeopardized if we were to find our fathers in the sub-continent has not addressed the common adage of the mid 19th century about the Weaver and Sayyed...200 years later who is a Sayyed and a Julaha, only All Mighty can tell...

As for Ferzok, he has to sell his letters to make a living otherwise why would he pretend to be a liberal when he is an autrocrat in his on own home...

And as for Q.Isa Daudpota, his present occupation with and education system what people call the ``poultry farm`` of children says it all... why would a Physicist would like to associate himself with a feudal educational system that teaches children the capital of US before the meaning of Islam...
I may sound a bit off the wall, but then the truth hurts

And so it does for the Janj breaking Janjuas, and the well placed Daudpotas...

re: 51

your great-grandfather was most probably a hindu banya also - you think your ancestors had no sense of honor, dignity or chivalry? they learnt it after conversion to islam? - and who do you think defeated the sikh army in the 1840s, pathans?

rsaxena/rsridahr--I **personally** have not said anything offensive about any of the hindu deities so i was enraged when rsaxena insulted our beloved Prophet alayhisalatuwasalam.

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Brother Nadeem--that is the reason the Qur`an sharif tells us not to insult the deities of other religions even if they are pagans because then they will insult Allah and His Beloved sal allahu alayhi wa sallam back and nauzubillah nauzubillah we might be held responsible.

**

Once a woman and her lover were in bed when suddenly her husband came back. He started beating the sh1t out of lover with punches left and right. The woman got out of the bed and started yelling: ``khoob mar salay ko, dosroN ki maaN behN ko jhansa de ker izzat loot`ta hae``.

After a while the husband got tired but lover still had energy left so now lover started beating the shi1t out of her husband throwing punches left and right. She was still watching and started yelling: ``na harami khood kuch karta hae na kisi aur ko karnay deta hae. Mar khoob mar harami ko``.


Lets see how this fight develops. Thus far 1:1.

re: your various stupid posts
I do not know where you live but i can safely guess that it must be somewhere in Pakistan near the Afghan border. That is where they peddle the stuff that you are smoking now.
You are so deluded and as someone nicely put it, in a ``ghetto`` of your own making.

``...and it is no wonder that while the rest of the mankind is talking of super computers and space you and you kin still worship the genital of a man that you call a god...``
Since you sound like a rabid mullah, i will not waste my time trying to explain my religion to you. Did you know that India builds supercomputers? How could you? You need to stop smoking the ``stuff`` and smell the SHIT in your Sherwani. That will wake you up. And talking of Space, India is sending indigeously built satellites into space and has made a name in ``remote sensing`` capabilities.
India`s Supercomputers:
http://www.pcquest.com/content/Supercomputer/102051008.asp
Excerpts:

1. ``It is not that supercomputers are the domain of only the affluent nations. India has a fair number of supercomputing installations engaged in everything from aircraft and missile design to weather forecast to academic research. More than that, many of these are home-grown designs of high-performance clusters.``

2. ``The most famous of the made-in-India supercomputers is the Param (Parallel Machine) from C-DAC. But the Param is not the only supercomputer to be built in India. There are at least three other independent efforts at building supercomputers that have been successful. There is the Flosolver (now the SuperSolver) from Hindustan Aeronautics, Bangalore; the Anupam from BARC Bombay; and Anurag from DRDO, Hyderabad. And all of them taken together, along with the few commercially-available supercomputers, should add up to at least thirty to forty supercomputer installations in the country.``

Architect of PARAM supercomputer says: India can simulate ``nuclear explosion`` using supercomputers:
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0698/0011.html
Looks like worshippers of Monkey God and Penis God are way ahead of the betel nut chewing, scrotum scratching mullahs.
Sridhar