History Rehearsing: Dark Ages of Islam

[An Islamic Scholar, Allama Javid Ghamidi from Pakistan pointed out that today’s Muslim must be as a hummingbird, sucking the nectar out of the flower of the West, while ignoring that which it considers poisons, to take back to its nest. ]

The hummingbird-flower analogy like crusade-current is also overly simplisitic because flowr in this case is not a static receptor. Hummingbirds are allowed to suck the nectar because it benefits flowers too. Muslim hummingbirds on the other hand hate the flowers, some like cursing as Zeba Khan in another article and some like crushing it. In this case, flower controls its destiny much more efficiently and would not like its nectar to be sucked by haters. Muslims stand no chance of learning while hating and taking it back to the nest. It is likely to produce two extremes, those who learn nothing while hating and those whose loyalties will be with the flower and nectar. The said scholar in the quote himself sucked the nectar from Pakistani flowers as Hamidi and changed to Ghamidi. Shame on him for even telling anything to Pakistanis. The suckers who even did not like khuda hafiz, azaan and wuzu should go suck the nectar of the sand and camels.

very good and thought provoking.i always wonder how and why muslims lost grip over knowledge.some days back while studying world history(s.s frey)i was almost taken to tears
when.i


read the chapter``rise of islam``the author praised muslim conquerers not only for their rapid expanisionism but also for their keen interest in knowledge .he aruged no other force ever before influence the world of literature,art and experimental sciences like that of muslim.he also agreed that many of the greats treaties of the ancient world of GRECE,pERSIA,INDIA,ROME AND ELSE WHERE CAME to them by muslim scholars and scribs.the great monuments and architecture structure of the iislamic world are familiar to many.thedome of the ROCKin jerusalam,the first and one of the most unique of islamic monument:Taj mahal inAGRA,the great mosque of Isfahan,with its majistic ayvans and soaring minarets.these construction and infinite number of others exemplify the magificence and artistry of islamic civilization and culture. they are instantlly recognizable the world over,wether as monuments to a glorious past,objects of beauty and curiosty or achitectural and structureal wonder.
i simply fail to understand that why muslim then lost all interest in science,culture and literature etc.this enigmatic tragedy has always baffled me and to my mind.there is no answer except that the fall in science was a natural follow up of o their failure in politics.thence i assume as conclusion that with the cpllapse of their political system,and state institution scientific course automatically suffered a set back,in others words a sound political system is thus necessary for the progress of other institution.
i pray to allah to give strength,courge,wisdom and leaders to pull them out of this dark tunnel.every one sholuld keep the world history in on``s home library and make sure every child read it.

#32 by macgupta on June 11, 2003 6:02pm PT

you will be be refered to the other more....

...putrid burgers.


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Macgupta #32

Your may be aware of it, but origin of the word mac is from scotland and means son of. There fore the original Macdonald must have been son of donald. Usually the legitimate sons carried the fathers` name and the byeblows carried the mac.

Off-topic, but macgupta is Mac as in ``Apple Macintosh``. Nothing to do with putrid burgers.

Dear Chowk Staff

I looooooooooved the new look.

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I think you should change the company you keep. If you keep on hanging out with the people who pee in the streets you wont be able to see the humingbirds.

HUMMING BIRDS AND VULTURES

``What image billboard defacing and other such acts of coercion and vandalism are creating for Pakistan is evident from a Faisalabad report which says that a Dutch firm has decided to wind up business here and leave.

The firm said it had found conditions in Pakistan unbearable. ``

aBOVE IS FROM DAWN OF TODAY, the response to the sharia law introduction in a province of pakistan.
``Now is the time that Muslims must become that hummingbird. Muslims must look into the methods that Europe employed in combating fanaticism, while making sure that it is staying true to its own Islamic roots. It is, indeed, quite a challenge. The burden of persuasion is on them. ``

Above is the hope iof the author. Ameer, I am Afriad to say that the muslims of pakistan are no humming birds, they are the vultures, picking the bones of dead taliban, trying to revitalise it. Pakistan is a country created for islam, and it has to be the purest form, right from the book, a recreation of arabia of 7 th centuray, complete with the desert vultures. In the deserta of arabia, there were no humming birds, they belong to the tropical regions.

urstruly,

you say, ``The humingbird analogy is correct and this phenomenon is happening since the mid 70s when the educated Muslim class started migrating to West. ``

......... where? when? and how?............. the so called muslim educated class that is migrating to the west is not doing anything extraordinary except holding down humdrum jobs as engineers designing mounting brackets for starter motors in detroit ....... either that, or they are collecting unemployment, ssi, welfare, food stamps and generally taking advantage of everything the infidels have to offer even as they curse them and make a fool out of themselves by lining up for prayers in public parks, community centers, airports and office buildings ............. they exist on the fringe of society, taking advantage of everything it has to offer and giving back little in return ..........they bring all their bad habits from ``back home`` without picking up any good ones from their hosts .......... they park in fire lanes and given the chance would pee in the street ............ so what is it that they are learning in the west? .......... and even if they are learning something, i don`t think they are taking it back with them.......... burning bill boards and beating unveiled women is not something they learned during devil`s night in detroit ............maybe it is .............

Why doesn`t the author interact? It is terrible to see such great articles getting hijacked by imbiciles and hindus.

I do not agree with Ken Ringles` thesis and his comparisons are sophomoric but there is no argument that the two civilizations are in collision course. The humingbird analogy is correct and this phenomenon is happening since the mid 70s when the educated Muslim class started migrating to West. The 9/11 has only provided the necessary catalyst to accelerate the process. Now the world has changed considerably from the middle-ages. So the tactics of middle-ages have lost their efficacy as well. That is the reason the recent middle-ages style invasion of Muslim lands by United States and West is being frowned upon by rest of the civilized world.

I agree with Ameer`s alternatives. I think these alternatives will finally prevail. The integrated economic forces that unite the world today will force the extremists on both side to re-asses their respective positions sooner than. Since United States and West are the stronger party its better for them to revert to the fold of civilazation first to preserve their credibility.

Tipu: Allcomments.

Is there any logic in them?

#21 by Tipu on June 11, 2003 9:45am PT

.. what bought that on!!???

#22 by sadna on June 11, 2003 9:55am PT

..Islam is THE perfect religion, Muslims are THE perfect people.

a number of muslims on this board have pointed out many shortcomings of muslims.

..for sectarian differences, misreading of scriptures is responsible.

YOu mean to say that people are saying reading (or misreading in this case)is done by others ie not muslim people?

... If raped women are sent to jail for adultery, no need to change the law or introduce safeguards, because lack of ideal Islamic society is responsible

.. a number of muslims on this board have talked about the need to indroudce safegaurds.

You have an amazing talent to contradict yourself in one single post.

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sameer #11
``Muslims need to defeat the enemy within ``

Which enemy? Islam is THE perfect religion, Muslims are THE perfect people.

For what Muslims do(including killing others) - someone else is responsible. For Talibanic barbarity, the US is responsible, for sectarian differences, misreading of scriptures is responsible, if women are not allowed to vote or work, tribal culture is responsible. If raped women are sent to jail for adultery, no need to change the law or introduce safeguards, because lack of ideal Islamic society is responsible - for this lack of mandatory daily prayers and full Sharia is responsible - for that US-stooges are responsible. For poor economy - the US is responsible, the prevalence of interest is responsible.

For what Muslims think, someone else is responsible. If a Muslim hates America - the US is responsible, if one Muslim thinks the other Muslim is not equal to him, Hindus are responsible, if Muslims look down on nonMuslims, nonMuslims `s very existence or their religions are responsible. Kumbh Mela is a mass sexual orgy and goddesses are naked - and 72 houris are not accepted by Hindus in lieu of the goddesses- that the root cause of Muslim problems on the subcontinent.

EVEN for what a Muslim says(or posts on chowk), someone else is responsible. Muslims themselves are NEVER responsible - there is no enemy within its all enemies outside.