Bina Shah February 1, 2003
#8 Posted by rozaiba on February 2, 2003 5:02:45 am
yeah naqshbandi,
where does it say that that region is cursed with everlasting jihad?
americanexpress:
the Prophet once said `war is strategy`. strategy is the important word. adopting violence without any strategy is stupidity and deserves to fail. what were the words of ol man bala...something like apni taqat pay naaz hai nadanoun ko...what strength?
palestiine cause as you say has dwindling support. and naturally so. without public support, nothing can be achieved. non violent methods are the way to go- they`ve shown to work- in america, in india, in south africa. there are thousands of jews in israel who support peace but hesitate to actively pursue it due to the fear of being compromised by the stupidity of the violence prone palestineans.
i know little about history. but in modern history, apart from Cuba, has any country ever achieved true independence through a violent revolutionary struggle?
where does it say that that region is cursed with everlasting jihad?
americanexpress:
the Prophet once said `war is strategy`. strategy is the important word. adopting violence without any strategy is stupidity and deserves to fail. what were the words of ol man bala...something like apni taqat pay naaz hai nadanoun ko...what strength?
palestiine cause as you say has dwindling support. and naturally so. without public support, nothing can be achieved. non violent methods are the way to go- they`ve shown to work- in america, in india, in south africa. there are thousands of jews in israel who support peace but hesitate to actively pursue it due to the fear of being compromised by the stupidity of the violence prone palestineans.
i know little about history. but in modern history, apart from Cuba, has any country ever achieved true independence through a violent revolutionary struggle?
#6 Posted by jay on February 1, 2003 11:19:37 pm
Bina,
The problem with the palestinians is that the society does not tolerate multiplicity of views. No one in palestine can say that terrorism should stop and hope to see another sun rise.
All of the muslims complain about islam being portrayed badly, the fact is that the world is against only one aspect of islam, the jihad, the idea that every muslim has to search for the non-innocent kafir and kill him.
So many muslims keep ta;lking about what jihad is, it is the fight against the internal eveil blah blah..no one dares to say what it is not.
The day a muslim country, for that matter aly muslim leader dares to say that, no jihad is not killing of kafirs...it would be a new day for islam.
Even on the anonymity of chowk, no pakistani dares to say what jihad is not, the simple fact is that ISI will be after them.
The problem with the palestinians is that the society does not tolerate multiplicity of views. No one in palestine can say that terrorism should stop and hope to see another sun rise.
All of the muslims complain about islam being portrayed badly, the fact is that the world is against only one aspect of islam, the jihad, the idea that every muslim has to search for the non-innocent kafir and kill him.
So many muslims keep ta;lking about what jihad is, it is the fight against the internal eveil blah blah..no one dares to say what it is not.
The day a muslim country, for that matter aly muslim leader dares to say that, no jihad is not killing of kafirs...it would be a new day for islam.
Even on the anonymity of chowk, no pakistani dares to say what jihad is not, the simple fact is that ISI will be after them.
#5 Posted by Ras on February 1, 2003 11:19:37 pm
SALAM AND SHALOM
This illusion of peace will not be easy
Like the one before Europe developed a late guilt
After the “Final Solution” on helpless Jews
And before the demonizing in the Western Press
Of followers of another monotheistic faith
Who choose to call the same God “Allah”
To hide the anger and memory of genocide
Committed by another people who are forgetful
A once wandering people of the Torah
Ironically practice today a policy of Apartheid
And fight battles in the town where Jesus
Brought peace and spread love to the soul of man.
Not to rekindle our already many biases
At the Al Aqsa Mosque or the Wailing Wall
One could only have hoped that the landless Palestinians
Would get a much better deal from a people who
Remained thirsty, many centuries
For a place of their own
But the tanks rolling through Ramallah hint otherwise
Hope keeps us going, as heavy hearts wish for solutions
Hesitant handshakes, children playing, wishing together
But who can change the direction of this hostile wind?
And calm the rage of landless generations as
Their young without dreams become human bombs
Where Salam and Shalom now must coexist.
By
Ras H. Siddiqui
This illusion of peace will not be easy
Like the one before Europe developed a late guilt
After the “Final Solution” on helpless Jews
And before the demonizing in the Western Press
Of followers of another monotheistic faith
Who choose to call the same God “Allah”
To hide the anger and memory of genocide
Committed by another people who are forgetful
A once wandering people of the Torah
Ironically practice today a policy of Apartheid
And fight battles in the town where Jesus
Brought peace and spread love to the soul of man.
Not to rekindle our already many biases
At the Al Aqsa Mosque or the Wailing Wall
One could only have hoped that the landless Palestinians
Would get a much better deal from a people who
Remained thirsty, many centuries
For a place of their own
But the tanks rolling through Ramallah hint otherwise
Hope keeps us going, as heavy hearts wish for solutions
Hesitant handshakes, children playing, wishing together
But who can change the direction of this hostile wind?
And calm the rage of landless generations as
Their young without dreams become human bombs
Where Salam and Shalom now must coexist.
By
Ras H. Siddiqui
#4 Posted by PaagalInsaan on February 1, 2003 8:09:20 pm
Dear Naqshbandi,
Can I know where Allah said that and the precise words, please?
Can I know where Allah said that and the precise words, please?
#3 Posted by rozaiba on February 1, 2003 4:40:49 pm
struggles are an admirable thing.
however, civil disobedience - non violence techniques should be adopted.
however, civil disobedience - non violence techniques should be adopted.
#1 Posted by Naqshbandi on February 1, 2003 4:40:24 pm
thank you Bina for this important and powerful post :-)
Apart from the Guardian and the Independent (especially Robert Fisk`s excellent articles) the majority of the British media is also terribly biased towards the Israelis and any criticism of Israel is immediately brandished as anti-Semitism; the result is that most people here have no clue about the terrible situation the brave and noble Palestinians are enduring. Their struggle for liberation is definitely a jihad and it is a constant shame on the leaders of the Muslim lands that not one of them is doing anything to help our Palestinian brothers and sisters gain their land back and their freedom. I met a person from their and he said that although the Muslim governments don`t help much the peoples of the countries help a lot via monetary contributions and he singled out the Saudis for special praise saying they `give too much!`. He also told me that almost all Palestinians support Hamas` veiwpoint and not the PLO who are discredited...
Allah`s Habib sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam said that the people of that region will be undergoing jihad until the Day of Judgement and we know that the whole area is sacred. May Allah grant them freedom soon.
Amin.
Again thanks for highlighting this Palestinian sister`s book--where can one buy it from? What is it called?
Apart from the Guardian and the Independent (especially Robert Fisk`s excellent articles) the majority of the British media is also terribly biased towards the Israelis and any criticism of Israel is immediately brandished as anti-Semitism; the result is that most people here have no clue about the terrible situation the brave and noble Palestinians are enduring. Their struggle for liberation is definitely a jihad and it is a constant shame on the leaders of the Muslim lands that not one of them is doing anything to help our Palestinian brothers and sisters gain their land back and their freedom. I met a person from their and he said that although the Muslim governments don`t help much the peoples of the countries help a lot via monetary contributions and he singled out the Saudis for special praise saying they `give too much!`. He also told me that almost all Palestinians support Hamas` veiwpoint and not the PLO who are discredited...
Allah`s Habib sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam said that the people of that region will be undergoing jihad until the Day of Judgement and we know that the whole area is sacred. May Allah grant them freedom soon.
Amin.
Again thanks for highlighting this Palestinian sister`s book--where can one buy it from? What is it called?
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