Muslims in India: Communalism vs. Backwardness-Minority Syndrome

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Sameer JB,

`Take away their identity`,

Yeah, much like Stalin took away the identities of Central Asians, imposed Russian and rewrote their history. A bit like that, I assume?

Is this what Buddhism teaches you?

Umer M.

ylh2 #43 you write ``again I extend my hand of friendship to the self proclaimed Gandhians on this board... (but ofcourse once again I only expect to be snubbed, harrassed and abused)... ``
Try ``ignored``. Instead of ``snubbed, harassed and abused``. :-)

#27 by nazarhayatkhan

India is a status quo power. Regardless of its current public stance, India will gladly agree to turning the LOC into a permanent international border. It is Pakistan that feels that it must acquire the entire Jammu & Kashmir to ``finish the unfinished business of partition.``

Pakistan`s ruling elite has a vested interest to paint India as the eternal enemy of Pakistan. It will continue to do so even if India were to aquiesce to the permanent exile of all residents of Jammu & Kashmir whose ethnicity, ideology or faith does not meet the approval of Pakistan`s ruling elite and even if India were to hand over the entire state of Jammu & Kashmir on a platter to Pakistan.

When Pakistan`s military swears by:
(1) the ``martial race theory``
(2) asserts that one Pakistani soldier can take care of ten ``Hindu`` soldiers or,
(3) promises compatriots that they will unfurl Pakistan`s flag at the Red Fort,
it does so, not because it believes in the bluster, but because that makes it easier for the military to usurp a disproportionate share of the country`s wealth for the Kakul kleptocrats.

In real life, Pakistan`s military has always been far tougher on its own citizens, most of them unarmed, than on armed soldiers of ``enemy`` countries. Thus, General Tikka Khan is far better known to the world as the Butcher of Bengal and as the Butcher of Balochistan than as the Knight in shining armor who will ride his big white horse to the Red Fort to unfurl Pakistan`s flag.

When Pakistan`s military breathes fire, it is to ``prove`` to Pakistani citizens that the military is indispensable to the nation`s welfare. But this is nothing but a fraud because the primary aim is to make sure that Pakistan`s army can continue steal a disproportinate share of the country`s wealth for itself.

I have no reason to believe that Pakistan`s ruling elite cares any more for justice in Jammu & Kashmir than it cares for justice for the residents in Pakistan itself or for justice to the ``Biharis`` left to rot in refugee camps for 3 decades.

Those that had preached, ``Haske liya Pakistan, ladke lenge Hindustan,`` on the morrow of independence, those that continue to preach, ``One Pakistani soldier is more than ten ``Hindu`` soldiers,`` will not change their tune or stance even if Jammu & Kashmir is handed over to them on a platter. They have a strong need to have India as an enemy country to justify the usurption of a disproportionate share of the nation`s wealth for themselves.

Pakistan`s military lobby was strong enough to force the break-away of the majority of Pakistanis in 1971 in order to preserve its own interest in the rest of the country. Today, it is just as determined to perpetuate conflict with India and for the very same reason. Jammu & Kashmir is merely the most convenient excuse at the moment. But, in its absence, it won`t take long for Pakistan`s military to find yet another excuse.

But there is a limit to what the people will tolerate. And when the Kakul kleptocrats exhausted the patience of the long suffering ordinary citizens of Pakistan, the Tsunami of their wrath did not spare even the Ayub Khans and the Yahya Khans. It will not spare Pervez Musharraf either.

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#28 tahmed

You may choose to fool yourself any way you like. If you consider Jinnah`s ``Direct Action Day`` a form of constitutional action, then you probably also consider Narendra Modi a great political theorist. To a honest person there is no difference between ``Gaurav Yatra`` and ``Direct Action``. Both fall in the category of mob violence for political ends.

Indeed, the tragedy with Jinnah was that inspite of education and high achievement he choose to utilize mob violence and mass killings to justify his political goals. At least with Sarvarkar we have the excuse of modest education and class.

Here are some descriptions of Jinnah`s ``constitutional`` acumen:

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Direct Action Dayà In August, Jinnah unleashed---perhaps inadvertently,
perhaps not---an ugly sample of the horrors to come. Opposed to a British
plan for Indian independence that did not also create Pakistan, he designated
the 18th day of Ramadan as ``Direct Action Day.`` ``Though direct,`` ``the action
was supposed to be peaceful. But before the disastrous day was over, blood
soaked the melting asphalt of sweltering Calcutta‘s streets.
The #Direct Action Day‘ that was celebrated by the Muslim League on August
16 touched off a chain reaction of violent explosions, which in the succeeding
12 months shook the country. On 16th August 1946, the #Direct Action Day‘
observed by the Muslim League, Calcutta witnessed a communal riot the scale
and intensity of which had never been known in living memory. For 4 days,
bands of hooligans armed with sticks, spears hatchets and even firearms
roamed the town robbing and killing at will. The #Great Calcutta Killing‘ took a
toll of more than 5000 lives besides the 15000 or more that were injured.
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On August 16, 1946, in its demand for a separate Pakistan, the Muslim League called for ``Direct Action`` day. Direct Action day witnessed thousands of Muslims and Hindus fighting in mixed areas. Calcutta became the scene of the most brutal violence in what became known as the great `Calcutta killings`. Within 72 hours, more than 5,000 people died, at least 20,000 were seriously injured, and a hundred thousand residents of Calcutta City alone were left homeless. As Jinnah remarked ``If not a divided India, then a destroyed India``. More violence followed as the rioting spread to the rural areas of Punjab and the Ganges valley.

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On 16th August, the League marred proceedings by staging a Direct Action Day organizing rallies, demonstrations and processions. In Bengal a public holiday was declared, but attempts by Muslims to force Hindu shops to close soon led to an orgy of arson, looting and murder. Large numbers of troops were called in but rioting continued for four days and according to official estimates 5,000 people were killed, 15,000 injured and over 100,000 rendered homeless. Although Muslims were initially the aggressors both parties contributed equally to the destruction of Calcutta.

pmishra2

Jinnah created Pakistan so that Muslims wouldnot need to complain about Hindus, he evidently didnot succeed, because even 57 years later, they are still singing maatams over the evil hindoos. I would think Jinnah imagined 57 years on, with their own country Pakistanis could devote their time to thinking about their own affairs, such as the state of their own Pakistani parliament, not the state of Indian secularism. I mean why Pakistan then?

One irony no Jinnah fanatic will acknowledge when talking of `constitutionalism` is that in India Jinnah is considered to be one of the founding fathers of the INDIAN Constitution :).


Anyway, the doublestandard you point out is very evident. sac I think said on another thread that the human brain requires nonveg. food to sustain it(perhaps he said its evolution required nonveg food). But what is very evident here is that some (now deceased) animals didnot eat their vegetables like their mommy told them to.


ahmadzai #29
I prefer to think of solutions, any solutions instead of eternal breastbeating :).
Re your observations about this thread, let me add, Pakistanis didnot believe in Indian secularism, thats why there is Pakistan. DUH. No need to restate it again and again `how many ways I hate you`, if you see what I mean.

btw, the question you have over the Hindu fundamentalist threat is exactly the question Hindutva-vadis raise about the Muslim fundamentalist threat, a question which they backup with instances from around the world and neighbourhood.

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AN APPEAL!

Mr. Mishra I strongly urge you not to resort the usual defaecation which is now SADLY your hallmark... the only thing it does (other than show us your ignorance) is convince me that only a thin veneer separates the self proclaimed secularist Indians (from the Majority community) from the saffron brigade which is a menace... besides I suspect you don`t really believe all that you say..

If indeed you are what you claim to be (though I strongly doubt it after your baseless accusations against me in the past) ... then at a time when we should be working together to save our respective countries from the menace of religious extremism .. we (followers of Jinnah and Gandhi) are indulging in the same kind of mistrust and suspicion that kept those two great South Asian leaders from coming together... your verbose monologues of hate against Pakistan notwithstanding, I am sure you realize how the likes of you have compromised peace in South Asia...

I ask you, much like my leader had asked your leader in 1920, to cry halt and stop yourself and your countrymen to stop before you lead us to an almost certain destruction and death... stop before it is too late, and all that is liberal and good about our countries is lost for ever!!!

But I fear that in this whirlpool of hate, you have gone far ahead...


Sincerely
Yasser

tahmed`s #28... needs restatement :

``Jinnah`s means (like Nehru`s and others of the time) were firmly grounded in the British parliamentary tradition - i.e. you argue, you air your views, but you NEVER EVER resort to violence, nor do you demean communities of people. The means employed by Savarkar were the opposite - Godse (Gandhi`s convicted murderer) is known to have visited Savarkar`s house, and (as the WP article indicates), although that assasination could not (at least in many people`s mind) have taken place without Savarkar`s blessings. Also, Savarkar maligned muslims and christians (by declaring them guilty of not not looking towards India as their spiritual homeland). Finally, the followers of Savarkar (the JSS) continue to resort to violence and harassment of muslims and christians, whereas Jinnah`s legacy (the Muslim League) is generally recognized as a mainstream party. Savarkar`s equivalent was not Jinnah, but the maulvi extremists who first opposed Jinnah, and now are providing a hindutva equivalent vision for Pakistan that is directly competing with Jinnah`s vision of Pakistan.``


I, as a believer of Jinnah`s vision of Pakistan (a modern democratic pluralistic state) also realize that the greatest allies we have in this world are the true Gandhians across the borders (no matter what reservations I might have had in the past about Gandhi) and therefore once again I extend my hand of friendship to the self proclaimed Gandhians on this board... (but ofcourse once again I only expect to be snubbed, harrassed and abused)...


-YLH