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Arjun #52 Really? And which prep school did you and jay and harish (need I go on?) pick up your charming personalities from? Or is this desire to insult other communities and other people`s religion and this desire for self-aggrandizement something that comes naturally to people like you?

jay #43

``...Here is a news for you. The definition of honour killing is that it has to be done publically, in the most grotesque manner. Once this condition is met, the person can walk free under the pak law. The local police along with the mullah certifies it as legel killing...``

would you cite reference for your defintion of honour killing?...(if it is letters to editors...don`t bother please)

rgds,

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//He points out how ghazal singer Jagjit Singh was asked to leave before a performance in Pakistan and how Lata Mangeshkar has never been issued an invite.‘‘Why are we falling flat in welcoming them,’’ questions Abhijeet. //

just curious...wasn`t junoon banned from india?

#31 Bhitai

[Let me remind you that the case in point here is religious fanaticism, and MQM has impeccable credentials when it comes to countering Mullahism.]

Tough choice. MQM Vs MMA. Fascism Vs Fanaticism.

Which one is the lesser evil?

Shobia,

There is nothing to froth and fume about in individual acts of criminality, in acts of mob violence. But when the legal system supports crime, when the consitution of a country legitimises crimes, then one should froth and fume, one has to protest, one has to be ashamed of it.

I know as a child of TNT you will not understand what I am talking about, but still let me make an attempt.

A shool teacher said that parents of prophet mihemmed could not be born muslims. If we assume that islam was started by the prophet, then it is fairly logical that it could not have existed before the birth of the creator itself and by shera biological reasons the parents have to be older than the child. For all educated people what the prof said is simple logic, even scientific. But under the pak law, the prof was charged with blasphemy, sentenced to death. This is something you have to froth and fume about, you need to be ashamed of the legal system of your country, you have to express your disgust and shame to the world.

Farooka,

As a typical pakistani, you cannot find the difference betwenn condemning honour killing in a general way and pointing out the mechanism which sustains it. There are articles condemning it. But no one dares to point out that killers of Samia Sarwar were not charged with any crime because it is perfectly legal to kill. Tis kind of focussed articles lead to corrective actions, why general articles only leads to the ilks of tahmed to say that honour killing is due to illiteracy.

If any one dares to point out the legality of killing, it focusses on the legislators. The supreme sheria court has the power to annul any laws, again no one dares to point this out, the silence of the sheria court on killings.

Finally as tahmed says, non-innocents are to be killed, that is the jihadic law, again provides the religious basis for killings.

Here is a news for you. The definition of honour killing is that it has to be done publically, in the most grotesque manner. Once this condition is met, the person can walk free under the pak law. The local police along with the mullah certifies it as legel killing.

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rozaiba -

After 42 posts, your prophecy is coming very true.

``Religion outside the personal self is a disgusting menace``

harish/Bhitai: No one is claiming that dissensions and divisions do not exist within Pakistan - sometimes these are along ethnic lines, sometimes along religious lines (shia vs sunni), sometimes along gender lines, sometimes along economic lines. That is in the nature of human beings, and they exist in every society (And Harish, please stop attributing things to me that are the opposite of what I have always said on chowk - I have always said that the concept of a unified ummah, or muslim community, is nonsense).
The point is: how do you express these differences, how do you resolve them??? Neither one of you has honestly answered my question: Why did the muhajirs choose to leave India? So let me provide you with the correct answer: similar reasons as my people did in 1947 in east panjab. My people fled for their lives, since that is how their neighbors were expressing their differences back then. Muhajirs may not be fleeing for their lives, but clearly they are not fools (as Bhitai answered) who would keep coming into Pakistan 50 years after Pakistan has been formed and despite the troubled period we are going theough. Perhaps you should reflect a bit on this.

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#43 Dilshad

You are so correct Dilshad. No hindu can stand to live near a muslim. It is part of our religion where we are advised to stay away from non-hindus.

This is why India has 12%+ muslims whereas Hindu-loving Pakistan has under 1%. The interesting question here is WHY this particular individual has a problem with muslims. How did they arrive at this bizarre attitude?

But you could never ask that question, could you? You are happy with your fantasy of irrational hindu hatred.

Dilshad #42 I dont see anything unusual here - the immigrant father to the US brings his narrow-minded upbringing along with him from India (and the same goes for many of us Pakistanis too). There is plenty eviedence of this narrow-mindedness among first generation H1B types on chowk for example.
HOWEVER, the children of these individuals from the dysfuntional cultures of the ``old world`` (India and Pakistan in our case) go to schools in the US where they emphasize respect for all cultures, ethnic groups. So the children grow up to be normal people, and in this case the daughter writes about her father`s hatred for muslims and Pakistanis with obvious distaste. Nothing surprising here. This is called progress.

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Actually the lathered up folks can get even more lathered up about India. On any given day there have to be dozens if not hundreds of demonstrations going on all over India. How degenerate of Indians!(sarcasm). Some of them do get nasty. And lets not forget student demonstrations, which can sometimes be really ugly.

In addition, add religious processions. Almost every month there is occasion to take out some temple procession somewhere, or a church feast. And if I am not mistaken it is currently the Moharram month, when tazia processions are taken out. Some of those can get nasty, too, but if they didn`t , you wouldn`t even hear of them.

Dilip`s point if I get him right, is not the fact of the demonstration itself or its nastiness in general, its the particular attitude of behind the VHP brand of nastiness namely `everyone who opposes VHP nastiness is unpatriotic to Bharat Mata`.

This is essentially what the so-called VHP `intellectuals` also keep saying about all their opponents, even those who simply disagree with them. I would call it a mindless cultish or ideological drone attitude. Those in public life have to accept that others have every right to disagree with them but the VHP is one organisation which doesnot show any signs of accepting this.