Abrar Akbar April 22, 2003
#6 Posted by Roshan on April 22, 2003 9:45:34 pm
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#5 Posted by rozaiba on April 22, 2003 6:46:29 pm
abrar:
brilliant article. faujiz ARE the disease. one of the best on this topic i`ve read. good concluding piece. Eqbal Ahmed`s quote reminds one of ML King`s quote: In the end what will be remembered are not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
since i had to keep a dictionary by my side when reading this, i learned many new words.
brilliant article. faujiz ARE the disease. one of the best on this topic i`ve read. good concluding piece. Eqbal Ahmed`s quote reminds one of ML King`s quote: In the end what will be remembered are not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
since i had to keep a dictionary by my side when reading this, i learned many new words.
#4 Posted by Naqshbandi on April 22, 2003 6:46:29 pm
interesting article. yet nothing novel is being said. it seems with each passing day that the pakistanis are getting more and more disillusioned with this `government` and especially with busharaff.
It seems more and more likely to me that the only time pakistanis will truly have a representative govt will be when they all unite together and produce an inqilaab. It was the only way to get rid of the Shah in Iran and it`ll be the only way to get rid of the men in khakhi.
The problem is that things will have to get a lot worse before the common man rises up in unison with his compatriots. The other problem is that the iranians had khomeini (who despite his many faults) was a very charismatic leader; we do not have anyone like that yet. MAYBE Noorani Sahib or Qazi but I am not so sure...I USED to think Tahirul Qadri before during his `inqilab e Mustafawi` days but he`s turned out to be a self-seeking politician and cosy with whoever is in power. also most Sunnis have turned against him...
BUT someone will arise who will lead the masses against the leadership. Its just a matter of time before pakistan gets its Mustafawi Inqilaab...
It seems more and more likely to me that the only time pakistanis will truly have a representative govt will be when they all unite together and produce an inqilaab. It was the only way to get rid of the Shah in Iran and it`ll be the only way to get rid of the men in khakhi.
The problem is that things will have to get a lot worse before the common man rises up in unison with his compatriots. The other problem is that the iranians had khomeini (who despite his many faults) was a very charismatic leader; we do not have anyone like that yet. MAYBE Noorani Sahib or Qazi but I am not so sure...I USED to think Tahirul Qadri before during his `inqilab e Mustafawi` days but he`s turned out to be a self-seeking politician and cosy with whoever is in power. also most Sunnis have turned against him...
BUT someone will arise who will lead the masses against the leadership. Its just a matter of time before pakistan gets its Mustafawi Inqilaab...
#3 Posted by arjun_m on April 22, 2003 5:15:04 pm
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#2 Posted by jay on April 22, 2003 5:15:04 pm
Abrar,
Yet anotyer pathetic portrayal of the symptoms with out having the courage to look at the cause. Is there any non-repressive islamic country. Look at the posts of the educated on chowk, the likes of temporal tahmed etc..have they ever said that killing of kafirs is unislamic. They have laways stood by the islamic doctrine that the heaven belongs to shaheeds who indulge in killing of kafirs and in turn gets killed.
If this is the central core of the creation of pakistan, then it is only natural that military is the most effective govt that can deliver this killing mode of heaven seeking to the people. Military is formally trained to kill, and the products of 200,000 madrassas streaming out of paktstan are informally trained for the same task.
For the first time, one cannot talk of military budget in pakistan. Mushy the commander of the ramed forces is he paid from admin budget or the army one. How about the thousands of military men in wapda to the corn flakes factory, are they from the departmental budgets or from the ramy.
For the first time the entire pak society is a killing machine, the entire budget is devoted to this machine.
Abrar, no p[oint in talking about symptoms. are ready to say, the first pakistani ever, that jihad is not killing of kafirs. If you cannot do that join the club of tahmeds and temporals, the jihadists in jeans.
Yet anotyer pathetic portrayal of the symptoms with out having the courage to look at the cause. Is there any non-repressive islamic country. Look at the posts of the educated on chowk, the likes of temporal tahmed etc..have they ever said that killing of kafirs is unislamic. They have laways stood by the islamic doctrine that the heaven belongs to shaheeds who indulge in killing of kafirs and in turn gets killed.
If this is the central core of the creation of pakistan, then it is only natural that military is the most effective govt that can deliver this killing mode of heaven seeking to the people. Military is formally trained to kill, and the products of 200,000 madrassas streaming out of paktstan are informally trained for the same task.
For the first time, one cannot talk of military budget in pakistan. Mushy the commander of the ramed forces is he paid from admin budget or the army one. How about the thousands of military men in wapda to the corn flakes factory, are they from the departmental budgets or from the ramy.
For the first time the entire pak society is a killing machine, the entire budget is devoted to this machine.
Abrar, no p[oint in talking about symptoms. are ready to say, the first pakistani ever, that jihad is not killing of kafirs. If you cannot do that join the club of tahmeds and temporals, the jihadists in jeans.
#1 Posted by temporal on April 22, 2003 3:57:54 pm
(warning: not meant for humour-impaired)
abrar:
...it is a pity we do not have oil...and a travesty that we do have nuclear weapons...othewise perhaps maaibap would have taken pity and burst the bubble of timocracy for us...for it is clear presently we are not capable of even doing this chore by ourselves...
..t
abrar:
...it is a pity we do not have oil...and a travesty that we do have nuclear weapons...othewise perhaps maaibap would have taken pity and burst the bubble of timocracy for us...for it is clear presently we are not capable of even doing this chore by ourselves...
..t
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