Women in Religious Scriptures

#282 by Inquirer on June 4, 2003 8:46am PT

I just like to ruffle people sometimes. sitting on a faceless board where we wear our masks of created personalities it is difficult to judge who is what. However in moments of anger we reveal a lot about ourselves. I try to remain within the envelope of the context of the position put by others only choosing to expand it a bit once in a while.

Sridhar is a nice guy I think. Of course that does not mean that I disagree with him on some things, those differences are minor.
Im yet to figure out Tahmed though. He refuses to take my bait. Though he did get a bit ruffled yesterday but the result is another post which could be plain manufactured emotion.

Sridhar:
You have a peculiar love/hate with Ali! After abandoning him with abuses and curses you wrote to him at least twice. I do not want to comment on your relationship but I would like the tone of your discussion to improve. You could have civilizedly explained Mahabharat instances. Imagine a non-Hindu how is he/she to determine what is symbolic and what is operative guidance?

tahmed 32:
Thanks for the e-mail address. I will contact you.

Tipu, #272:
You have made some revealing points. I agree that many Muslims may have come here (US) to escape discrimination and oppression in their home countries. But you need to understand the sources of irrational misogynism. The obvious and overt oppression of women is MAXIMUM in Muslim countries. Hence, the feminist voice is loudest from those countries. The point is not unbridled feminism rather it is adoption of principles of fairness and equality among the sexes. No doubt, there irresponsible women as there are men.

The thesis presented in the discussion is a summary of the full essay I have prepared. Some people have expressed interest in the detailed article. I can send the full text to those who would send me their email address.

Sushil

re:#263 by ali87

``Two families both indulging in Gambling. One of the men gambles away his wife. Or rather the common wife of his brothers....


The other family whose men disrobe the won over wife in public..

My MY what Dharma (righteousness)!! Thousands are killed to uphold this Dharma of gamblers who give away their wife.``

Looks like you have read some of this epic. You may be a moron but you can still be redeemed.
All characters in Mahabharata are symbolic. They are real if you want to believe in them. Most people would take the essence.
You come out as a person who does not respect other cultures, and take pleasure in hurting others. And you are an Indian muslim! Hard to believe. Perhaps, you have lived in a ghetto all your life and come to learn all wrong lessons.
Is that all you have seen in that great epic? Why do you even read it if you hate it so much. You must have read some of it to be able to quote from it.
Do i care if you criticise this or the other epic? It is meant for those who understand it. For the rest, it is as good as garbage. You can read Arabian Nights and feel kinship with your Lord and masters in Arabia for all i care. But, be sure in future to pass healthy criticisms that does not hurt other`s.
sridhar

re:#263 by ali87
I have always been curious as to who are the role models for Indian muslims like you. I know that the list definitely includes Ghazni, but does OBL have a place in that list? Just curious.
Sridhar

re:#263 by ali87
I have come to the conclusion that basically you are a moron. There is no use in interacting with you. So, be in your own hell, whereever that is. If you are convinced that rest of the world is delusional and that everything is fine and dandy with Islam today, then fine. You are allowed to be delusional.
Sridhar

=== Interact Filtered ===
view this users filtered interacts

inquirer #267 I will be glad to answer any additional questions you may have on the book. You can email me at tauheedahmed@hotmail.com or just post your question here.

re:#265 by ali87
Read Paul Brunton`s ``A search in secret India`` and ``The path`` to realise what one such God realised soul had done for humanity. They are not like politicians and do not advertise themselves.
If you go to Thiruvannamalai and go to Ramanashram (which i really doubt you ever will as you guys can only ask stupid Qs and expect intelligent answers), you will realise what i mean. Do some reseach on your own man. Read another spiritual classic ``Autobiography of a Yogi`` and find out what Yogananda has done for his fellow beings. Go to Calcutta and find out what mother Teresa has done for the poor.
You guys are simply pathetic!
Sridhar

#265 by ali87
``All the while majority of the people were oppressed. Perverse practices flourshised throughout.
and these guys were on their own trip saving their own skin towards salvation. I find that repungant``
I find it repugnant that product of Ghazni`s sperms are lecturing hindus about spirituality when all their co-religionists have done is rape and plunder. Perhaps, i was wrong about some religions. Some religons just do not get it. They need to be discarded like you discard a condom after you know what? Get the drift? Moron.
Sridhar

re:#263 by ali87
That is just an epic. Take it for what it is.
If you want to know the real meaning of that epic, study the 2 volume set of ``God speaks to Arjuna``. It is available in B and N and is a best seller. Once you have read that, we can talk about the real meaning of these epics.
I have written about the symbolism in these epics in my past posts. People who are demented or cannot think beyond superficialities only see what their mind tells them.
BTW, you have revealed your mindset and thereby lost my respect.
Sridhar

ali87 #264
I didnot ask why is the Quran memorized in Arabic, I asked ``Then why is it that the Quran is memorized in Arabic by thousands of children who donot understand the language, some of whom are then incited to jihad in the name of the injunctions of same Quran?``

For absolutely NONE of my points do you provide a honest or sincere answer.

`` Probably this can be expected of you since you are so confused about your own scriptures I cant expect you to make any sense in the Islamic methodology. ``

For the last few posts, I have found your attitude very demeaning to me and my religion. I donot need to take this cr_p from you and will not be wasting any more of my time on you.

=== Interact Filtered ===
view this users filtered interacts

=== Interact Filtered ===
view this users filtered interacts

ali87, #268: I am very interested in your involvement regarding a temple in Bangalore. I hope you would let us know more.

Regarding ``glossing over of hard reality of hindu paractices``: Let us know what is that you are thinking of. Hundus will benefit from a discussion of that. Possible, some explanation would augment your understanding.

#267 by Inquirer on June 3, 2003 1:43pm PT

I live among hindus, read some of their books, certainly read much of the cultural based popular stories with many references to Hindu practices incuding stories, comics. Of course the general prevalence of hindu ethos in India one cannt escape from knowing about the hindu religon. I even met a shankaracharaya, visited many temples, Asharams etc even acted as a conduit to funding a small temple in bangalore. this is not to say Im an expert or dont need to learn more.
However I dont like the glossing over of hard reality of hindu paractices. I am the frist to accept the failings of muslims.
on a differnt note Im glad I havent been called a pakistani sympthysier or hindu hater in the last couple of days (about 10 posts) that is a improvemment from earlier I should say... Just savouring the small pleasures of life...