To Kill the Mockingbird

People can learn about the religion till cows come back as long as they keep the views to themselves:

And not try to impose them on the society.

Every one has the right to have his own faith and belief.

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From madressah, to Aligarh, to ShantiNikaten, to Harvard............

Dr. Abdul Huq- New President of Jamaat- e- Islami
New Delhi: Dr. Mohammad Abdul Huq has been elected the new Ameer (President) of the Jamaat-e-Islami Hind. He was elected by the 119-member Council of Representatives (Majlis-e-Numaindagan) of the Jammat at its headquarters in Markaz here on April 5. Dr Huq is more a religious scholar than an activist. He has taught religion and philosophy at universities of Viswa Bharti at Santiniketan in West Bengal, Umme Durman University in Khartoum, University of Petroleum in Dhahran and Imam Muhammad bin Saudi University in Riyadh. At the age of 72, Dr. Huq is an author of nearly a dozen books on religion, ethics, philosophy etc. Born in 1931 in Deoria district of Uttar Pradesh, Dr. Huq was educated at Jamaat’s Darsgah-e-Saanvia at Rampur, Aligarh Muslim University and Harvard University from where he received a TMS degree. Dr. Huq succeeds Maulana Sirajul Hassan who held the post for 13 years. Hassan had refused to be considered for the position for another tenure. Dr. Huq will hold the position for the next four years. Mohammad Jaafar has been retained as the general secretary (Qayyim) of the Jamaat by the new President. The Council also elected an 18-member Majlis-e-Shoora.

#105
Haha, weak come back.
When are you going to get yourself a life?

Back to the subject:

Further Reality-Check

In the prevailing circumstances, the presence of bin Laden in any Pakistani
madrassa is impossible,`` commented Javed Iqbal Cheema, chief of the crisis
management cell of the Interior Ministry, in response to reports that bin
Laden had taken refuge in a madrassa in Karachi. ``All Madrassas are under
the strict vigilance of not only Pakistan, but of the United States,`` he
added.

Records show that madrassa students are not widely a part of the jihad in

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Kashmir. To name a few, Ghulam Abbas, Arif Hussain, Usman Atique, Mudassir
Rashid, Mehmood Riaz, Abul Asim, Mohammad Sabir Shahid Mehmood Shafqat,
Abdul Sattar, Faisal Mahmood, Sadaqat, Naweed and Niaz all died in
Indian-administered Kashmir in different skirmishes with Indian security

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forces, and they were all from the regular Pakistani education system,

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mostly Christian missionary schools, such as Saint Patrick`s Karachi, La

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Salle Multan, Atchison Lahore, Cathedral Lahore and Saint Patrick`s Quetta,

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or government high schools and colleges.

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Meriting Attention
Maharashtra`s Muslim Schools are claiming top scores in public exams
M. H. Lakdawala
Mumbai: Just a couple of years ago, one had to search for even one Muslim name on the merit lists. Since 1998, Muslim students are appearing regularly on the merit list in Maharashtra. They have topped in BA., Higher Secondary School Certificate (HSC) and secondary School Certificate (SSC) examinations.

This year SSC results also has a number of Muslims particularly Urdu medium students in the merit list. Out of 100 students in the general category of Mumbai division, three are Muslims. Kausar Qazi Hadiya from Farooq High School, Jogeshwari, stood fifth in the general category and first in the girls’ category. S.A. Ansari of Anjuman Khairul Islam girls High School stood ninth in the general category and fourth in the girls’ category with 92 per cent marks.

Arjun,

Which part of ``Did I ever say I agree with or condone that strategy? I have always been critical of ISI`s stupid games, that it plays in the name of national security. Perhaps now for once you will explain to me what the point is behind repeating that statement so selectively?`` did you not understand? This is what I mean when I say poor English Comprehension skills.

`As to your plans to bleed India`

Hold on buddy ... I am not the one bleeding India, I am not the one who is sending jehadis into India. As a patriot of Pakistan and a human being, I distance myself from the actions of ISI... I think the whole idea is idiotic. I still don`t understand why you are attacking me. I find it not the bit surprising that of all the people you could have chosen, you chose me to vent out your frustration. Perhaps it is because as your own compatriot, Stuka, says in Post #73 that I am living rebuttal of the myopic views put out there by the anti-Pakistan brigade.

-Manto

Ref soysauce #102

[Unkalji, judging by your constant presence here, you must be on vacation, huh?]

Better to be on a physical vacation than a mental vacation like you have been all your life.

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Arjunm,

I see that you are still repeating the same old same old. I suppose by repeating the same old lies about me, you do get some satisfaction ... chalo be happy about that. Waisay does an Ivy League graduate lack English comprehension skills as well?

By the way I still maintain the ISI is not working to free Kashmir. Its strategy is to keep the Indian troops concentrated in one region where a nuclear strike would take them out all at once. Did I ever say I agree with or condone that strategy? I have always been critical of ISI`s stupid games, that it plays in the name of national security. Perhaps now for once you will explain to me what the point is behind repeating that statement so selectively? Are you trying to prove that I stand for nuking a whole region in the name of national security? Ofcourse you will not answer me, and repeat the same old a few months from now.

However I will call your bluff now that Chowk has provided us with the tools: Since you have hinted to a false accusation against my incarnation ... here is a complete record of all the Posts YLH ever made on chowk:

http://www.chowk.com/show_user_replies.cgi?membername=ylh&start=0&end=9&page=1&chapter=1

Show me the exact post where YLH claimed that his university was Ivy league. (Don`t say you don`t have time... You`ve dug out many of his posts before when such facility wasn`t even available). The poor guy did once mention the harmless fact that Rutgers College was part of the Ivy League (a sports League) till 1954 which was made in context of the History of American College Football ... historically the very first College Football game was played between Rutgers College and Princeton in the 19th century. But I guess lying, twisting words, and making up stories seems to be the favorite past time of the anti-Pakistan brigade on these boards... especially if one can`t say anything which has an academic value... I guess these are typical Ivy League tactics eh? If you can`t beat them legit. get personal and lie about them.

No wonder the best of the chowkies are from state schools and not the Ivy League...

-Manto

Harimau Iyer,
Unkalji, judging by your constant presence here, you must be on vacation, huh?

Dear Naqshbandi Saheb,

You know we have had our differences but I would like you to consider this proposition and answer me.

Would it be a sacrifice acceptable to Allah for the next couple of generations of Muslims to spend their efforts not in learning the Quran but in learning the necessary science and technology that would put the Muslim nations at a par with Western nations so that they could deal with the West from a position of strength? Would not Allah recognize that these people have made a conscious and willing sacrifice of even their afterlife for the benefit of the Ummah? And then would not Allah in His infinite mercy and compassion reward these people for their sacrifice on Judgment Day?

I am speaking this as a Hindu whose religious instruction (as opposed to his religious obligations) has been minimal and who has seen the abandonment of the Hindu way of life in the last 50 years. While it may not be a direct correlation, I have also seen the improvement in the standard of living in India. Thai is what prompts my question.

#90 Mantolives

I do hate to bring up inconvenient matters like facts. Could you please explain to me where my posting makes reference to any India-Pak issue?

re: Dost-Mittar # 93

Hear! Hear! I second your motion!

Ciao

Ref Mantolives #90

[... My concern is the belated arrival of the tormentors of my previous incarnation. I am sorry but I consider Arjun-m and P-Mishra the card carrying members of this brigade... ]

Out of sight, out of mind...... Sigh.......!

Harimaulives

Ref Maasanamuthu aka Kulamutrathuthunjiya Killivalavan #84

[Speaking for myself, most of my classmates were there because of the free meal.]

That is because for centuries your family has stolen the food from their mouths.

[You didn`t necessarily learn anything by going to school. There were exceptions of course but the quality of education that the vast majority of students get is probably no better than what madrassah students get.]

Yet you are in the US of A making big bucks. I agree with you: if they could let you in, why can`t they let madrassah-graduates in?

[Perhaps you all just want to exchage indoctrination by state with indoctrination by non-state actors.]

Hasn`t that already happened in Tamil Nadu? How many doctoral dissertations are written on the social effects of the ``literature`` of the Great Intellectual and Doctor Artist Leader? Would those be much different than a doctorate-equivalent from Al Azhar University?

[If madrassahs bother you, then you should work to have more schools with curricula that lead to productive employment.]

Do you mean you would be willing to give up your quota-based medical seat to a Muslim? That IS rich, coming from you!