Dost Mittar June 25, 2003
#22 Posted by m_souza on June 27, 2003 7:08:49 am
‘Sooraj na ban paye to ban ke Deepak chalta chal”..It is my favorite song too …
And then these so many ‘deepaks’ together can make a big ‘sooraj’ hand in hand. Because we all can’t be ‘Sankurathris’ and yet we all can do our little bit…
Another nice one:
Jyot se jyot jalate chalo
Prem ki Ganga bahate chalo
Raah mein aaye jo deen-dukhi
Sab ko galey se lagate chalo
Jiska na koi sangi saathi
Ishwar hai rakhwala
Jo nirdhan hai jo nirbal hai
Woh hai Prabhu ka pyara
Pyar ke moti lutate chalo...
prem ki ganga bahate chalo
Asha tooti, mamta roothi
Chhoot gaya hai kinara
Band karo mat dwar daya ka
De do kuch to sahara
Deep daya ka jalate chalo...
Chaaya hai chaaron or andhera
Bhatak gayi hai dishayein
Maanav ban baitha daanav
Kisko vyatha(dukh) sunaayen
Dharti ko swarg banate chalo.....
And then these so many ‘deepaks’ together can make a big ‘sooraj’ hand in hand. Because we all can’t be ‘Sankurathris’ and yet we all can do our little bit…
Another nice one:
Jyot se jyot jalate chalo
Prem ki Ganga bahate chalo
Raah mein aaye jo deen-dukhi
Sab ko galey se lagate chalo
Jiska na koi sangi saathi
Ishwar hai rakhwala
Jo nirdhan hai jo nirbal hai
Woh hai Prabhu ka pyara
Pyar ke moti lutate chalo...
prem ki ganga bahate chalo
Asha tooti, mamta roothi
Chhoot gaya hai kinara
Band karo mat dwar daya ka
De do kuch to sahara
Deep daya ka jalate chalo...
Chaaya hai chaaron or andhera
Bhatak gayi hai dishayein
Maanav ban baitha daanav
Kisko vyatha(dukh) sunaayen
Dharti ko swarg banate chalo.....
#21 Posted by Godot on June 27, 2003 7:08:49 am
Re: dost-mittar, #18
As evident from the Front Page, quality writings are the last thing on Chowk editors’ minds. You keep writing. Why should you be an exception?
Btw, in no way, shape or form, my article on hate has any similarities to yours. And I don’t hate “you”. But, again, some people will resort to such tactics when cornered to gain sympathy. You shouldn’t worry about that. Unlike for me, you have tons of Chowkies who sympathize with you. And a lot of Chowkies will defend mediocrity tooth and nail. Keep writing.
As evident from the Front Page, quality writings are the last thing on Chowk editors’ minds. You keep writing. Why should you be an exception?
Btw, in no way, shape or form, my article on hate has any similarities to yours. And I don’t hate “you”. But, again, some people will resort to such tactics when cornered to gain sympathy. You shouldn’t worry about that. Unlike for me, you have tons of Chowkies who sympathize with you. And a lot of Chowkies will defend mediocrity tooth and nail. Keep writing.
#20 Posted by moulabux on June 27, 2003 7:08:49 am
I agree with godot#3.
Why do we have to wait until certain cataclysmic event shakes our foundations? And there are as many stories in which a person, disillusioned by such events, directs his/her ire towards God. Although fictional, the character of Mel Gibson in ``Signs`` -- until Divinity intervenes again to make him belief again, which was nothing but a crock of shit. I`m sure there are real life instances of similar vein too.
The only good thing about this write-up was it`s brevity.
Cheers.
Why do we have to wait until certain cataclysmic event shakes our foundations? And there are as many stories in which a person, disillusioned by such events, directs his/her ire towards God. Although fictional, the character of Mel Gibson in ``Signs`` -- until Divinity intervenes again to make him belief again, which was nothing but a crock of shit. I`m sure there are real life instances of similar vein too.
The only good thing about this write-up was it`s brevity.
Cheers.
#19 Posted by dost_mittar on June 26, 2003 7:51:11 pm
Thank you all who read and commented on this piece.
godot:
If I remember correctly, you once wrote an article on how you dealt with your hatred for a particular chowkie. This article deals with a similar topic.
As regards your hatred for this bad writer, I will leave it to you to find your own way of coping with it.
godot:
If I remember correctly, you once wrote an article on how you dealt with your hatred for a particular chowkie. This article deals with a similar topic.
As regards your hatred for this bad writer, I will leave it to you to find your own way of coping with it.
#18 Posted by bbabu on June 26, 2003 7:51:11 pm
godot #3
``What`s the point of this absurd article? That one should become charitable and nice only if some great tragedy strikes him? ``
personal tragedy does focus your attention on what is important in life
``What`s the point of this absurd article? That one should become charitable and nice only if some great tragedy strikes him? ``
personal tragedy does focus your attention on what is important in life
#17 Posted by Godot on June 26, 2003 8:52:18 am
Re: Farzana, #11, and my post #12
Farzana, I misunderstood the song you quoted and hence my “fake” response to it. The “fakeness” I was implying in my post has to do with fawning. Anyway, I liked the song and believe in it just as you do. But I do speak my mind...only sometimes...can’t help it!
Farzana, I misunderstood the song you quoted and hence my “fake” response to it. The “fakeness” I was implying in my post has to do with fawning. Anyway, I liked the song and believe in it just as you do. But I do speak my mind...only sometimes...can’t help it!
#15 Posted by i-am-the-cheese on June 26, 2003 7:13:26 am
dostmitter
short and gentle :) this reminded me of something i red last night which struck me as important; its somewhat relevent here too:
from warriorofthelight.com
The tragedy
Here I continue to reproduce excerpts from conversations with my master, from 1982 to 1986)
- Why is there so much tragedy and misery in the world?
- Tragedy and misery are different things, and very lengthy subjects. Which would you like to talk about first?
- At the moment, about tragedy. Why does man suffer?
- Read the Bible and you will find the following: ``that which is good, comes from You, my Lord. That which is evil, also comes from You, my Lord. Therefore what is there to fear?``
- Nevertheless, we do suffer.
- Certainly. But take this into consideration: of every ten problems we have, nine are created by our own selves - through guilt, self-punishment, self-pity. However, from time to time a great obstacle appears in our path, which was put there by God, and which is there for a reason. The reason is: to give us the opportunity to change everything, to move forwards.
``What is tragedy? A radical change in our lives, always linked to the same principle: loss. Suffering is always the result of a loss, either someone or something - such as health, beauty, or one`s financial conditions.
When faced with a loss, it is no use trying to recover what has gone. On the other hand, a great space has been opened up in your life - there it lies, empty, waiting to be filled with something new. At the moment of one`s loss, contradictory as this might seem, one is being given a large slice of freedom.
``But most men, when faced with tragedy, fill this space with pain and bitterness. They never think there may be other ways of facing the inevitable.``
- For example?
- Firstly, by learning the great lesson of wise men: patience, the certainty that everything - both good and bad - is provisional in this life. Secondly, using this sudden change of course to risk new things in daily life, to do things you always dreamed of.
- This is clear regarding material things. But what about someone`s death?
- We have spoken much about death, and you know that for the one who passes on, it does not exist - that person is enjoying the delights of a radical transformation. The sensation of death only exists for the one left here. Every dear person, upon departing, becomes our protector - after going through a period of longing, we should be joyful, since we are better protected. In the same way, one day we will be on the other side, protecting the people we love down here.
- And those we hate...
- Exactly as you imagine. They remain tied to us through the feeling of bitterness. That is why Jesus said: ``before going to the temple, go back and forgive your brother.`` One must be forever washing one`s soul with the water of forgiveness.
- But going back to tragedy...
- There is something which is impossible to measure: the intensity of pain. We know a person is suffering because they tell us, but we cannot evaluate exactly how much. We often try to compare someone`s attitude upon being faced by a tragedy, and we end up judging them to be stronger or weaker than they really are. Do not compare random pain with nothing; only the one suffering can know what he or she is going through.
``Therefore, when inevitable tragedy appears, we must remember these three things: to make the most of the freedom of loss, not to judge the pain, and to learn the art of patience. It will destroy 9/10 of that which you are, but the 1/10 which remains will make you an infinitely stronger person. ``
short and gentle :) this reminded me of something i red last night which struck me as important; its somewhat relevent here too:
from warriorofthelight.com
The tragedy
Here I continue to reproduce excerpts from conversations with my master, from 1982 to 1986)
- Why is there so much tragedy and misery in the world?
- Tragedy and misery are different things, and very lengthy subjects. Which would you like to talk about first?
- At the moment, about tragedy. Why does man suffer?
- Read the Bible and you will find the following: ``that which is good, comes from You, my Lord. That which is evil, also comes from You, my Lord. Therefore what is there to fear?``
- Nevertheless, we do suffer.
- Certainly. But take this into consideration: of every ten problems we have, nine are created by our own selves - through guilt, self-punishment, self-pity. However, from time to time a great obstacle appears in our path, which was put there by God, and which is there for a reason. The reason is: to give us the opportunity to change everything, to move forwards.
``What is tragedy? A radical change in our lives, always linked to the same principle: loss. Suffering is always the result of a loss, either someone or something - such as health, beauty, or one`s financial conditions.
When faced with a loss, it is no use trying to recover what has gone. On the other hand, a great space has been opened up in your life - there it lies, empty, waiting to be filled with something new. At the moment of one`s loss, contradictory as this might seem, one is being given a large slice of freedom.
``But most men, when faced with tragedy, fill this space with pain and bitterness. They never think there may be other ways of facing the inevitable.``
- For example?
- Firstly, by learning the great lesson of wise men: patience, the certainty that everything - both good and bad - is provisional in this life. Secondly, using this sudden change of course to risk new things in daily life, to do things you always dreamed of.
- This is clear regarding material things. But what about someone`s death?
- We have spoken much about death, and you know that for the one who passes on, it does not exist - that person is enjoying the delights of a radical transformation. The sensation of death only exists for the one left here. Every dear person, upon departing, becomes our protector - after going through a period of longing, we should be joyful, since we are better protected. In the same way, one day we will be on the other side, protecting the people we love down here.
- And those we hate...
- Exactly as you imagine. They remain tied to us through the feeling of bitterness. That is why Jesus said: ``before going to the temple, go back and forgive your brother.`` One must be forever washing one`s soul with the water of forgiveness.
- But going back to tragedy...
- There is something which is impossible to measure: the intensity of pain. We know a person is suffering because they tell us, but we cannot evaluate exactly how much. We often try to compare someone`s attitude upon being faced by a tragedy, and we end up judging them to be stronger or weaker than they really are. Do not compare random pain with nothing; only the one suffering can know what he or she is going through.
``Therefore, when inevitable tragedy appears, we must remember these three things: to make the most of the freedom of loss, not to judge the pain, and to learn the art of patience. It will destroy 9/10 of that which you are, but the 1/10 which remains will make you an infinitely stronger person. ``
#14 Posted by Godot on June 26, 2003 7:13:26 am
Re: harish_hyd, #13
It`s actually a compliment to me that I don`t make sense to people like you. Thanks!!!
It`s actually a compliment to me that I don`t make sense to people like you. Thanks!!!
#13 Posted by harish_hyd on June 25, 2003 11:30:20 pm
#12 by godot on June 25, 2003 8:13pm PT
[Yes, Farzana, my tragedy is that I abhor bad, senseless writings, not the writers]
Well, if you can do any better, why don`t you try it? From your posts however, it`s difficult to believe you can actually even talk sense, let alone come up with original writing.
[Yes, Farzana, my tragedy is that I abhor bad, senseless writings, not the writers]
Well, if you can do any better, why don`t you try it? From your posts however, it`s difficult to believe you can actually even talk sense, let alone come up with original writing.
#12 Posted by Godot on June 25, 2003 8:13:50 pm
Re: Farzana, #11
Yes, Farzana, my tragedy is that I abhor bad, senseless writings, not the writers, although sometimes it`s tough to distinguish between the two (but I do want you to know that you are one of the best, if not the best, writers at Chowk...and this praise is genuine...)
No, I do not believe in that Hindi song you quoted. To be like that is fake, something I loathe even more than bad writings. But you`re right...I shouldn`t be so cruel...except that sometimes I can`t help it...
Yes, Farzana, my tragedy is that I abhor bad, senseless writings, not the writers, although sometimes it`s tough to distinguish between the two (but I do want you to know that you are one of the best, if not the best, writers at Chowk...and this praise is genuine...)
No, I do not believe in that Hindi song you quoted. To be like that is fake, something I loathe even more than bad writings. But you`re right...I shouldn`t be so cruel...except that sometimes I can`t help it...
#11 Posted by Godot on June 25, 2003 2:26:01 pm
Re: ana_d, #7
Hi, there, ana! I`m doing good - still recovering from my accident. Why did you stop interacting on Tidbit`s litt. board?
Hi, there, ana! I`m doing good - still recovering from my accident. Why did you stop interacting on Tidbit`s litt. board?
#10 Posted by FarzanaVersey on June 25, 2003 2:26:01 pm
dost-mittarji:
I have been fortunate to meet many such fine people, and what I like about them is they do it without much ado. Recently, Ustad Bismillah Khan was badly in need of money and he had to write to the PM to help him out with his medical expenses. I was told about some charitable organisations that gave some money, but they made a huge noise of it. I found it insulting to someone of the stature of Ustad saab.
godot:
No, you need not be charitable and nice only when a great tragedy strikes you, unless the tragedy is a writer you have problems with! On a more serious note, as rozaiba said, sometimes we need to be shaken to get some insight. We are too absorbed in what we call living. Life is more than that.
There is this Hindi song...
``Madhuban khushboo deta hai, sagar saawan deta hai
Jeena uska jeena hai, jo auron ko jeevan deta hai...
Suraj na ban paaye tau banke deepak jalta chal
Phool miley ya angaarey sach ki raah pe chalta chal
Pyaar dilon ko deta hai, ashkon ko daaman deta hai
Jeena uska jeena hai jo auron ko jeevan deta hai.``
I have been fortunate to meet many such fine people, and what I like about them is they do it without much ado. Recently, Ustad Bismillah Khan was badly in need of money and he had to write to the PM to help him out with his medical expenses. I was told about some charitable organisations that gave some money, but they made a huge noise of it. I found it insulting to someone of the stature of Ustad saab.
godot:
No, you need not be charitable and nice only when a great tragedy strikes you, unless the tragedy is a writer you have problems with! On a more serious note, as rozaiba said, sometimes we need to be shaken to get some insight. We are too absorbed in what we call living. Life is more than that.
There is this Hindi song...
``Madhuban khushboo deta hai, sagar saawan deta hai
Jeena uska jeena hai, jo auron ko jeevan deta hai...
Suraj na ban paaye tau banke deepak jalta chal
Phool miley ya angaarey sach ki raah pe chalta chal
Pyaar dilon ko deta hai, ashkon ko daaman deta hai
Jeena uska jeena hai jo auron ko jeevan deta hai.``
#9 Posted by stuka on June 25, 2003 12:51:04 pm
#3
No. The point is that one can deal with rage and misfortune in different ways, positive as well as negative. That point is illustrated through an example.
How hard is that to understand?
No. The point is that one can deal with rage and misfortune in different ways, positive as well as negative. That point is illustrated through an example.
How hard is that to understand?
#8 Posted by tahmed32 on June 25, 2003 12:50:30 pm
Dr. Sankurathri certainly provides an example of how a good man can react to a vicious deed.
#7 Posted by rozaiba on June 25, 2003 12:50:30 pm
This article has a point. It`s great to see a person see a `purpose` in life. No matter who it is. Some are already blessed with the insight. Others are shaken into it.
Thanks for sharing it dost-mittar. By the way, around Sialkot area there is a village named `mittranwali`. Such a beautiful name. Serene place too.
Thanks for sharing it dost-mittar. By the way, around Sialkot area there is a village named `mittranwali`. Such a beautiful name. Serene place too.
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