Youth Without Borders

first do something then talk about.....dont make tall claims now about things which u have nt even done..........so STOP comparing yourself with him. You are just being delusional over here. and by the way u dont even know your own type how can u comment on what type i am. As for your progressive and modernist approach i can see what it amounts to with the tolerance level you have.
cheers
raza

Naqshbandi,

I consider Bhagat Singh a great martyr for the cause of freedom of our land. He is a shaheed to me... as for Islam... I am a Muslim but I don`t look at everything with the lens of Islam.

-Manto

Mohammed Ali Jinnah at 23 years of age:

(Quoted from Stanley Wolpert`s Jinnah of Pakistan, page 16-17)

`Jinnah rented a reasonable room in the Apollo Railway Hotel on Charni Road within walking distance of the High court, where he spent most of his days auditing the advocacy of others and awaiting his first client... Virtually nothing is known of the young Barrister`s first three years in practice. By 1900 however his professional promise was held `in High esteem` by a most influential friend who introduced him to Bombay`s acting advocate-general, John Molesworth Macpherson. The latter took an immediate liking to young Jinnah and invited him to work in his office. It was the first such invitation MacPherson ever extended to an Indian.... Macpherson`s confidence and support came as beacon of hope at a low point in Jinnah`s early struggles to establish himself.`


And we know that Jinnah reached the pinnacle of whatever he did... becoming one of the most successful advocates in the British Empire establishing a highly lucrative practice both at India and at the Bar in England. His distinguished political career first as a committed Congresswallah, and an Indian Nationalist and later on as a Muslim Leaguer and the founder of the new nation...

Don`t you think he also had his fair share of Razzz-type people who declared : ``you are a NOBODY .......with nothing but arm chair idealism and criticism to his name``... but in the final assessment Razzz type people didn`t amount to much.

-Manto

lest you get any ideas... that last `has` should really be a `hasn`t`

Razzz,

Like I said, no point projecting your inadequacies on me... if Mr. Banker cum Economist like yourself has amounted to much in life, doesn`t mean everyone else is a loser like you

-Manto

anuradha:

...a `poet and a dreamer` are in short supply here:)...welcome and please stay and contribute...(but if you do try to develop a thick skin)

rgds

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Naqshbandi miya remember these lines ``In the name of Allah most gracious most merciful``..
Do you think that a most benevolent God is so narrow minded so as to bestow His mercy only on the ``Believers``?
He is in control of everything and is perfectly capable of bestowing His infinite Mercy and Forgiveness to whomever He chooses. That is why He is called the All-Powerful and Most-Merciful. Almighty God has created the Universe for man, and as such wants the best for all human beings.
Remember Islam condemns pride and self-righteousness, since Almighty God is the only judge of human righteousness.

So my brother drop this unholy display of self righteousness...

ylh--if you wish to continue thinking of bhagat singh as a shaheed that is your right and prerogative. After you, we all have to go to our own graves and answer. But what disturbed me was your comment, ``I don`t care about the Islamic definition``. Surely, as a self-proclaimed Muslim shouldn`t you care?

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#347 by tahmed32

well perhaps I will one day, if I can screw up my courage enough... I do write... mostly poems and stories, I post them on a US based writing site which it probably wouldn`t be permissible to name here... most of its members are American and they are extremely gentle and civilised in their comments... the most they`ll say is `sorry I didn`t like it` or `it didn`t do anything for me` and they never say even that without offering some constructive suggestion...

that`s where earlier this year I met a very nice pakistani writer... he was the first, in fact the only pakistani I ever came across in my life... and we became awfully buddy buddy... before I met him pakistan was just a vague incomprehensible enemy to me.. as it is probably to many south indians...

getting back to the point, having seen some of the comments received by godot and jayashree I do believe anyone who submits poems for publishing on chowk should qualify for bravery awards... Vir Chakra if Indian... and whatever your equivalent if Pakistani ;)

RE Manto:
The delusion continues......now uve started comparing urself with jinnah.......get a life man........he ACTUALLY DID something for which he had detractors....you are a NOBODY .......with nothing but arm chair idealism and criticism to his name........so dont even think of categorizing yourself with him. Plus as to your absurd idea about anonymous.....get that out of your mind...i dont need to create some other nick to back myself up....i am quite capable of arguing my case on my own on a forum like this unlike blokes like you who would look up to the ELITE to do your bit.

raza

My review of the book on Bhagat Singh:

http://www.chowk.com/paint_picks_book_review_discussion_form.cgi?pbookid=68

-Manto

Dulla Bhatti bhai,

Thankyou...

Please acknowledge that it is my continuing Jinnah `worship` that led me to learn more about Bhagat Singh. Had it not been for that speech that Jinnah made in defence of Bhagat Singh in the legislative assembly (in my opinion his finest) , I would have never become curious about Bhagat Singh. I never drove down the locals, but I did try and appease the Sindhis that is true... By the way, I still prefer Urdu to Punjabi, and English to Urdu... that is a personal choice... though I am fluent in all three.

Also with regard to your name ... is the name Dullah Bhatti the same as the great hero Abdullah Bhatti of Pindi Bhattian who fought against Akbar the Mughal?



Razzz

My comment about your diction, only came after the continuous abuse you heaped on me. If you can`t take it, then restrain yourself in the first place...

As for your `drawing room` comment... what is the difference... Jinnah had his detractors in Ataullah Shah Bukhari, and Ahrar Party, and I have you and your imaginary net buddy ie Anonymous.

-Manto

Bhagat Singh was a freedom fighter for his country which included Pakistan during his life time. He was hanged in 1931. The name Pakistan was invented few years later by Rehmat Ali. In other words he was fighting to free your land from British when you did not even know its name. He fought for freedom of Lahore from British when he was in college there...it is shame that people who have grown up less than a mile from Lahore central jail don`t know about him. Manto, kudos to you for recognizing that. I was very critical of ylh when he used to put down locals and their heroes and worship jinnah like devotees of mata naina devi. But you are a changed man. Good for you. Baba Nanak was a great man to take birth, and Bhagat Singh was a great man to die fighting for and in your land.

Not to forget his elitist mentality....or rather elitist revering ability.....now the delusional geek is actually claiming to find faults in others diction........come up with better points to prove......thanks for the support anonymous.
cheers
raza

now we ve got a drawing room sherlock holmes in the making........god this man could do anything according to him sitting in his chair. Talk about tall claims.

raza

This anonymous chap seems to appear at the same time as razz, and seems to have the same flaws in diction and English language ability as razz... whats going on?

What is that mohavra... doobtay ko tinkay kaa sahara? Does it matter that the two people who make the least sense on this website are agreeing with each other?

-Manto