Youth Without Borders

Razzz

Don`t worry ... I am very confident of the role of my own family especially in the Pakistan Movement. Both sides were Muslim modernists and progressives who played a positive role in the Pakistan Movement...


-Manto

yep ! couldnt agree more with razz! let me tell mr manto bride sumthig about the myopic views and ignorance that he likes to accuse others of! myopia is being deluded by the spectres of peace which mean little to the average non drawing room non aircondition conditioned man! ppl who would rather have a ``piece`` of bread rather than peace! ppl who never theless atake pride in their country for wat its has given them how ever little it be! ignorance is accussing others of not knowing their facts just becausde they cant be accepted! ignorance is dismissing anythig that is not to ure tastes as fanatic and fundo! dude you pose to be the big professor in the play ground i dont think u know the workings of the playground! my advice is stikk to the drawing room and live in ure elitist angrez ki bund choomnai walee world and allow the more realistic and practical to show you how things work where the ac dont run!! coz dahling... i think its time u cane off that idealistic high horse and soaked up the sun (and i dont mean tanning my spoilt peeted dearie) i mean hot blistrering sun! the kinda heat that makes u thirst for water youd rather have than dream about peaxce u cant have! tell u wat!?? stop lecturing us about patriotism and how learned you are and how expensive the feathers up ures are and start actiually practically considering all this poeace bull crap and how food would be a better option for this nation you so dearly love! and tell u wat! lay off those who know wat theyre saying just coz u dont like it! i believe thats only good drawing room manners sumthig i am sure ud love to achieve!
au revior and love to all

Lets not get to the ancestors (idealogical or others) bit over here cz in your case we wldnt be even able to comment on that...cz u dont even know about urs urself...so lets drop it. Plus where have i in my posts acted as a religious theologian.........think before speaking.

cheers
raza

...hahaha....manto is schooling razzz...

Re: Manto

Since when did opting for a practical and pragmatic approach started getting one labeled as a religious hate mongering fanatic.......did i ever say i want WAR, DEATH of hindus.......the whole of kashmir to be given to pakistan or even a MMA govt in pakistnan. I just want a relationship with INDIA on an equal basis wihtout the threat of war being imposed on us. Just reconsider where you are coming in from
cheers
raza

Errata:

Second line should read: `I didn`t know one had to rub his/her contributions in everyone`s face.

The very last line should read: `not to win the praise of hatemongering fanatics posing as patriots`.

-Manto

Chowk Wallahs,

I am sorry. I didn`t know that one has to rub his contributions into everyone`s face...

I can assure people like Razzz however, that what little I have done for Pakistan off of this website, in various capacities including as a teacher and a writer in various newspapers, was done for the sake of Pakistan alone, and not win the praise of hate mongering fanatics...


-Manto

Second line in the previous post should read: `Since you don`t know me...`

Razzz,

Dude like I said the only Drawing critics are people like you who keep harping on about Kashmir and trying to pull back anyone who doesn`t share your myopic world view. Since you don`t me, I suggest you keep your assumptions to yourself. Believe me I am certainly no mirror image of you, so don`t even try and project your own inadequacies on me. We will let the people of Pakistan decide who amounts to what...

This kind of hog wash is not new from people of your ideological bent. Your ancestors abused a certain Mr. Jinnah, Bar at Law in much the same manner... calling him drawing room leader.. well he proved it to you chaps didn`t he, destroying the religious theologians at the polls...


-Manto

While we are on the topic of Tipu Sultan ... how many here know of his great great great grand daughter the brave Noor Inayat Khan, who led the French Resistance and was executed by the Nazis... it was only a few months ago I found out about this brave princess...

Read her life story...
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/SOEnoor.htm

Tipu`s bloodline was one of valor and courage.

-Manto

Re: Manto
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It is shameless to see novices on chowk second guessing those like me who have come of age on this website.. If anyone has any doubts about my patriotism, for all I care they can go to hell... My patriotism, real genuine and progressive has been evolutionary... but it has been there for all to see on this website since October 1999... as ylh! ++++


Thanks for making my point.!!!!! It seems you have only come of age on this website as a drawing room critic and a elite *** kisser.....as for the rest of YOUR amazing patriotism and accomplishments .....i wonder if it amounts to anything. And kiddo...if you think having read and posted on this site for a little while longer then me makes you a WELL ACCOMPLISHED person then i pity you. GOD!!!! how naive can you get..........to argue that being on some forum for a while makes you a somewhat REVERED figure on that site.........this is precisely the elitist approach i talk about that you having availed some opportunity try to restrict it to you and your kind and hog it.....SO FRANKLY SPEAKING pin a medal on ur chest saying i have been on chowk for SOOO Long and even then i havent managed to get anything done except lick soles and post pseudo messages.

raza

anuradha #343 Thanks for your kind words. It is too bad that Gresham`s Law (Bad currency drives out good currency) in monetary economics applies in case of chowk as well (Bad posters drive out good ones). Anyway, welcome to chowk in your writing capacity (as opposed to in your reading capacity only), and hope you will write something (maybe an article?).

Dear Naqshbandi

Bhagat Singh is a shaheed to me... I don`t care about the Islamic definition.

ylh,

that comment about slander of hazrat tipu sultan shaheed rahmatullah alayhi was NOT aimed at you.

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but as for your praise of bhagat singh--i am not familiar with him but a kafir no matter how `good` he is can not by definition be a shaheed as shahadat is only for Muslims who are killed in the way of Allah.

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so maybe by opposing the brits he did well but he still wasn`t a shaheed.
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#336
tahmed bhaisaheb...

thank you... you are another person I`ve come to really like and respect in the
months I`ve been invisible here... :) in fact I feel as though I`ve known you all for
ages...

the amount of abuse traded around here put me off from participating in the
discussions though, and I wouldn`t have done so today either except I very much
wanted to cheer on Manto... he was getting such a lot of flak for expressing sane
and reasonable views.

Totally unfair it seems to me the way those who speak the language of moderation
and decency get it in the neck from both the sides... while extremists on either
side get away with murder.

Romair,

Legally Sindh`s right of self determination was settled in 1947 when the Sindh Assembly voted for Pakistan. Subsequently PPP which is a mainstream Pakistani party has won the most vote in Sindh proving that Sindhis remain in favor of the union....

-Manto