Primetime Pope and the Maverick Mother
Farzana Versey October 7, 2003
#72 Posted by ijaz_gul on October 19, 2003 12:18:51 pm
Church and Politics seperated in Christianity long time ago. The roman Catholic Church by its spirit to reach out to the least makes it univesal. It does not behave like a nation state despite maintaining a diplomatic corps.
With the type of bravado used by George Bush, millions of Christians living amonst Muslim majorities would have faced communal discrimmination if Bush was to be believed by his word. Credit goes to the Catholic Church for condemning the war on Iraq and making it clear to the Muslim brethren that the conflict was not amongst religions. Imagine what would have happened if it was otherwise.
Forgiveness is a virtue of Christian faith. Even as Jesus Christ hung on the cross of calvary to die, he said of his detracters ``Lord forgive them for they do not know what they do``. So if Mother Tresa prayed for dictaters, it was a prayer in the true sense of Christianity. After all Christ came for the sinners and to relive them of their yoke of sin and suffering.
Another virtue of the Christian faith is that the clergy and all christians do not seek appreciation for what they do in this world. It is written that those who do, have already earned their wages. They should rather look for the reward in the next world. So by any Christian sense, Vatican would be mad seeking popularity for the Pope through Times Magazine or a Nobel Peace Prize.
The entire comment appears out of focus. Dammit, people like her and Edie are at least doing good. Why should we despise them and be over critical.
With the type of bravado used by George Bush, millions of Christians living amonst Muslim majorities would have faced communal discrimmination if Bush was to be believed by his word. Credit goes to the Catholic Church for condemning the war on Iraq and making it clear to the Muslim brethren that the conflict was not amongst religions. Imagine what would have happened if it was otherwise.
Forgiveness is a virtue of Christian faith. Even as Jesus Christ hung on the cross of calvary to die, he said of his detracters ``Lord forgive them for they do not know what they do``. So if Mother Tresa prayed for dictaters, it was a prayer in the true sense of Christianity. After all Christ came for the sinners and to relive them of their yoke of sin and suffering.
Another virtue of the Christian faith is that the clergy and all christians do not seek appreciation for what they do in this world. It is written that those who do, have already earned their wages. They should rather look for the reward in the next world. So by any Christian sense, Vatican would be mad seeking popularity for the Pope through Times Magazine or a Nobel Peace Prize.
The entire comment appears out of focus. Dammit, people like her and Edie are at least doing good. Why should we despise them and be over critical.
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#71 Posted by cosmic_citizen on October 16, 2003 7:34:25 am
I guess this board is dead by now...
but check this.. if you want to hear some criticism of the Mother...
Mother Teresa harmed Kolkata`s image
but check this.. if you want to hear some criticism of the Mother...
Mother Teresa harmed Kolkata`s image
#70 Posted by FarzanaVersey on October 12, 2003 11:15:59 am
sadna (#65):
The first time I wrote on the subject was in 1990 and was unaware that there was a ``bandwagon on Mother Teresa``. However, I have had my say and am glad you have yours. Re. feminists and prostitution, I have held back commenting on free enterprise that Greer talks about, but having worked in the red light sector among those people and their children and seen the consequences of some of the `rehabilitation`, I do equate it with an ``airless`` room. And it was not ``paid-for-with-patriachal-lucre-never-done-a-days-honest-work leisure variety feminism``. Sometimes one does not think of money or even `isms` -- you do it because you want to.
Anyway, thanks for sparing the time to express yourself.
The first time I wrote on the subject was in 1990 and was unaware that there was a ``bandwagon on Mother Teresa``. However, I have had my say and am glad you have yours. Re. feminists and prostitution, I have held back commenting on free enterprise that Greer talks about, but having worked in the red light sector among those people and their children and seen the consequences of some of the `rehabilitation`, I do equate it with an ``airless`` room. And it was not ``paid-for-with-patriachal-lucre-never-done-a-days-honest-work leisure variety feminism``. Sometimes one does not think of money or even `isms` -- you do it because you want to.
Anyway, thanks for sparing the time to express yourself.
#69 Posted by nb on October 12, 2003 8:09:12 am
Gorabandar,unfortunately, many people did tell their parents at the time but nothing could be done because many priests told parents kids were just making up stories.They told their therapists as teenagers and adults and many of these cases have been in the open for many years now. I don`t know why anyone would defend child abusers. No one`s saying all priests do it,far from that.
This isn`t the right time to discuss homosexuality,but this is not about gay people. I know nothing about MA so I`m not going to comment.Condoms have a very high rate of success when worn correctly.When people tell me the condoms tore and I ask them when and how they use it,the answers are something of a revelation.Of course,life would be a lot easier if everyone,not just gay people, would just stop having sex but I have been unable to convince anyone of this so far.People can be sooo unreasonable.So consumer reports are biased but the opinions of right wing doctors and scientists are fair?It is absolutely right though that diseases caused by contact,not by transmission of body fluids can still be transmitted,I`ll grant you that. a lot of what you said applies to heterosexuals,not homosexuals,so its probably completely irrelevant.Its easier to blame gay people for everything,isn`t it?
I`ve said already why Catholic priests don`t mess much with underage girls.First of all,young Catholic girls spend much more time with nuns at school-there are very few girls schools with male priests in close proximity to girls.They might see a priest for confession,but that`s probably the only time they see a priest alone,its different for older women who`d have more access to priests. Anyone with unquestioned power is likely to use it to abuse kids they have access to,why would the Church be any different?They`re not all saints, remember?
You seem to be saying that no priest ever abused kids. The Anglican Church of Australia has publicly admitted that they didn`t do more to help victims because they were afraid of the legal ramifications.Interestingly,looking at reports,there seem to be more Anglican priests abusing girls than Catholic priests. Several priests have admitted to having abused children.What is the reason for your inablility to accept it?Is this a sensitive topic for some reason?
Your syntax leads me to fear you are Tipu again......
This isn`t the right time to discuss homosexuality,but this is not about gay people. I know nothing about MA so I`m not going to comment.Condoms have a very high rate of success when worn correctly.When people tell me the condoms tore and I ask them when and how they use it,the answers are something of a revelation.Of course,life would be a lot easier if everyone,not just gay people, would just stop having sex but I have been unable to convince anyone of this so far.People can be sooo unreasonable.So consumer reports are biased but the opinions of right wing doctors and scientists are fair?It is absolutely right though that diseases caused by contact,not by transmission of body fluids can still be transmitted,I`ll grant you that. a lot of what you said applies to heterosexuals,not homosexuals,so its probably completely irrelevant.Its easier to blame gay people for everything,isn`t it?
I`ve said already why Catholic priests don`t mess much with underage girls.First of all,young Catholic girls spend much more time with nuns at school-there are very few girls schools with male priests in close proximity to girls.They might see a priest for confession,but that`s probably the only time they see a priest alone,its different for older women who`d have more access to priests. Anyone with unquestioned power is likely to use it to abuse kids they have access to,why would the Church be any different?They`re not all saints, remember?
You seem to be saying that no priest ever abused kids. The Anglican Church of Australia has publicly admitted that they didn`t do more to help victims because they were afraid of the legal ramifications.Interestingly,looking at reports,there seem to be more Anglican priests abusing girls than Catholic priests. Several priests have admitted to having abused children.What is the reason for your inablility to accept it?Is this a sensitive topic for some reason?
Your syntax leads me to fear you are Tipu again......
#68 Posted by gorabandar on October 11, 2003 4:55:54 pm
Some people believe in the tooth fairy too. But when it comes to the FAILURE RATE of CONDOMS I don`t belief there can be a more NON-BIASED authority than CONSUMER REPORTS !!!!
http://sqzm14.ust.hk/condom-ratings-95.HTML
Again keep in mind these FAILURE RATES are FOR PREGNANCY which is DIFFERENT THAN AIDS because a condom HAS to WORK 100% to prevent HIV but ONLY DURING a WOMEN`S FERTILITY period to prevent pregnancy.
Of course people ARE FREE to play RUSSIAN ROULETTE !!!
#67 Posted by arjun_m on October 11, 2003 2:55:21 pm
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#66 Posted by sadna on October 11, 2003 2:44:06 pm
Ms Versey:
Had to join the bandwagon on Mother Teresa, did you? Some of the things you say cannot be allowed to pass by without reply though it takes more time than I have to spare.
First it seems you don`t believe in saints, then you fault Mother Teresa for not BEING a saint ! Its Indian tradition to expect imperfections/dualities even in the best role models, even gods. Whats so wrong with Mother Teresa being unsaintly while still providing inspiration to many Indians including Hindus?
Mother Teresa did good to more people and exhibited less venality in her lifetime than many public figures in S. Asia can claim. When people insist in using religious dogma to kill people, why is it more worthy of outrage to insist on using it to help people?
I remember asking a Catholic friend many years ago, whether Mother Teresa would finally be declared a saint in 100 - 200 years ? My friend said it maynot happen, because Mother Teresa had performed no miracles. To be declared a saint, Mother Teresa would have cause at least one miracle before her death and at least one more after her death.
Well, its now clear, the Pope decided not to wait and chose to rush the paper work. So what? Its not relevant to talk of others who have also dedicated themselves to social work. Sanctifying and making divinities out of influential Catholics is solely a Catholic Christian tradition for which Catholics set the rules, not nonCatholics.
``“They (Mother’s nuns) don’t see prostitutes as poor women who are enjoying free enterprise in the world’s most ancient profession, but as sinners. The punishment for these women is to teach them embroidery.”
IMO, this blatant piece of fiction from Ms Greer is a much worse condemnation of prostitutes than any Christian paradigm used by Mother Teresa to offer these poor women a way out. Ms Greer (and her acolytes) want us to believe that the prostitutes of Calcutta enjoy being pimped by criminals who appropriate their earnings, that these women enjoy becoming HIV positive or syphilitic, that they enjoy watching their fatherless children growing up to criminal adulthood in unhygenic surroundings.
We are to take Ms Greers(or Ms Versey`s) authority for it that the rooms where these women practise `free enterprise` with strangers many times a day are airy and healthy unlike those over at Mother Teresa`s establishment. That having sex with absolute strangers to hold off starvation is more consistent with their womanly dignity and creative impulses and its a punishment to learn embroidery as an alternate skill for free enterprise and personal creativity. What if those women had been `punished` in medical or trade school instead, would those classrooms would be declared unacceptably airless too.
Its amazing that such crass dishonesty passes muster for `feminism`. Is it paid-for-with-patriachal-lucre-never-done-a-days-honest-work leisure variety feminism, do you think? And it is so full of its own moral damnations, it definitely `lacks humbleness`.I cannot believe the author is mindlessing quoting Greer selling our unfortunate sisters in Calcutta down the road.
If she were asked for hard figures to prove that the prostitutes who were helped by Mother Teresa entered prostitution by their own free will, no doubt Ms Greer would say the use of facts and figures to prove veracity is a male patriarchal paradigm.
The truth could be that feminists believe that the SOLE sign of liberation/empowerment of a woman is her willingness to offer herself as a sexual commodity in the market-driven world as opposed to her unliberated sister forced by the patriarchy to be an unwilling commodity.
If so, no surprise that Ms Greer considers our unfortunate Calcutta sisters as the liberated and unsung foot soldiers of the feminist movement, while she would no doubt consider women earning money stitching shoes in SE Asia as `exploited by the male patriarchy`.
This may also explain why, when searching for the number of Afghan women and girls forced out of jobs, colleges and schools after the Taliban took over, it was difficult to find ANY hard figures or numbers at all. Most reports by `feminists` on the horrible situation preferred to dwell more on how women could no longer visit beauty parlors or paint their fingernails.
One expects more nuanced views from Indian women, alas.
Had to join the bandwagon on Mother Teresa, did you? Some of the things you say cannot be allowed to pass by without reply though it takes more time than I have to spare.
First it seems you don`t believe in saints, then you fault Mother Teresa for not BEING a saint ! Its Indian tradition to expect imperfections/dualities even in the best role models, even gods. Whats so wrong with Mother Teresa being unsaintly while still providing inspiration to many Indians including Hindus?
Mother Teresa did good to more people and exhibited less venality in her lifetime than many public figures in S. Asia can claim. When people insist in using religious dogma to kill people, why is it more worthy of outrage to insist on using it to help people?
I remember asking a Catholic friend many years ago, whether Mother Teresa would finally be declared a saint in 100 - 200 years ? My friend said it maynot happen, because Mother Teresa had performed no miracles. To be declared a saint, Mother Teresa would have cause at least one miracle before her death and at least one more after her death.
Well, its now clear, the Pope decided not to wait and chose to rush the paper work. So what? Its not relevant to talk of others who have also dedicated themselves to social work. Sanctifying and making divinities out of influential Catholics is solely a Catholic Christian tradition for which Catholics set the rules, not nonCatholics.
``“They (Mother’s nuns) don’t see prostitutes as poor women who are enjoying free enterprise in the world’s most ancient profession, but as sinners. The punishment for these women is to teach them embroidery.”
IMO, this blatant piece of fiction from Ms Greer is a much worse condemnation of prostitutes than any Christian paradigm used by Mother Teresa to offer these poor women a way out. Ms Greer (and her acolytes) want us to believe that the prostitutes of Calcutta enjoy being pimped by criminals who appropriate their earnings, that these women enjoy becoming HIV positive or syphilitic, that they enjoy watching their fatherless children growing up to criminal adulthood in unhygenic surroundings.
We are to take Ms Greers(or Ms Versey`s) authority for it that the rooms where these women practise `free enterprise` with strangers many times a day are airy and healthy unlike those over at Mother Teresa`s establishment. That having sex with absolute strangers to hold off starvation is more consistent with their womanly dignity and creative impulses and its a punishment to learn embroidery as an alternate skill for free enterprise and personal creativity. What if those women had been `punished` in medical or trade school instead, would those classrooms would be declared unacceptably airless too.
Its amazing that such crass dishonesty passes muster for `feminism`. Is it paid-for-with-patriachal-lucre-never-done-a-days-honest-work leisure variety feminism, do you think? And it is so full of its own moral damnations, it definitely `lacks humbleness`.I cannot believe the author is mindlessing quoting Greer selling our unfortunate sisters in Calcutta down the road.
If she were asked for hard figures to prove that the prostitutes who were helped by Mother Teresa entered prostitution by their own free will, no doubt Ms Greer would say the use of facts and figures to prove veracity is a male patriarchal paradigm.
The truth could be that feminists believe that the SOLE sign of liberation/empowerment of a woman is her willingness to offer herself as a sexual commodity in the market-driven world as opposed to her unliberated sister forced by the patriarchy to be an unwilling commodity.
If so, no surprise that Ms Greer considers our unfortunate Calcutta sisters as the liberated and unsung foot soldiers of the feminist movement, while she would no doubt consider women earning money stitching shoes in SE Asia as `exploited by the male patriarchy`.
This may also explain why, when searching for the number of Afghan women and girls forced out of jobs, colleges and schools after the Taliban took over, it was difficult to find ANY hard figures or numbers at all. Most reports by `feminists` on the horrible situation preferred to dwell more on how women could no longer visit beauty parlors or paint their fingernails.
One expects more nuanced views from Indian women, alas.
#65 Posted by gorabandar on October 11, 2003 2:44:06 pm
You didn`t notice but the sources were[**Source: Alan Guttmacher Institute, New York and Center for Disease Control, Atlanta. The Alan Guttmacher Institute is the information wing of Planned Parenthood, which is the world`s number one abortion lobbist ( not too many ``bible thumpers there``,and the CDC a respected institution.
As a matter of course in dealing with these matters I NEVER quote any ``conservative``, or ``religious`` sources. The most obvious reson....individuals like your self who would not accept them even if the sources are valid and correct.
As a matter of course in dealing with these matters I NEVER quote any ``conservative``, or ``religious`` sources. The most obvious reson....individuals like your self who would not accept them even if the sources are valid and correct.
#64 Posted by sigalph235 on October 11, 2003 1:10:25 am
Re gorabander 62
True that a large part of the scandal is homosexual priest related. Also true that Mass. has two incredibly outrageous gay representatives. That does not take away from the crux of the coverup in the Roman Catholic Church.
Abuses are far more likely to happen in totalitarian setups than in more decentralized ones. The RC Church, especially after the enthroning of JPII, has become more and more authoriatarian with little accountabilty for priests and bishops. Unlike almost any other church in America, the RC Church`s system of appointment to priesthood and bishoprics has absolutely no reference to the wishes of the congregations. Priests are appointed by bishops and bishops by the Pope without any need to consult the laity. Forget about elections or ratification by the congregation. And these priests and prelates serve as long their respective ecclesiastical superiors want them to. Add to that the historic secrecy of the Roman church, and you get a fertile ground for abuse and mischief. This is an ecclesiastical counterpart to the Eastern European totalitarian dictatorships that feared any reference to the people`s wishes. In more ways than one, this Church, in its official capacity, is quite opposite of the fundamental precepts of American governance.
You bet the celibacy stuff contributes to this. It is unnatural, un-Biblical, and weird. The Bible is pretty plain and direct about saying that a bishop (never mind a priest) ought to be a man who is `husband of one wife and given to hospitality` (1 Timothy 3). But even in going against this explicit commandment of the Bible, the Church of Rome is selective. For while it forbids it priests and bishops the right to a conjugal life-mate in the West, it explicitly allows its priets in the Ukraine (the Unitiate Church), Greece (the Greek Cathloic Church) and Lebanon (the Maronite Church) to get married and have kids.
True that a large part of the scandal is homosexual priest related. Also true that Mass. has two incredibly outrageous gay representatives. That does not take away from the crux of the coverup in the Roman Catholic Church.
Abuses are far more likely to happen in totalitarian setups than in more decentralized ones. The RC Church, especially after the enthroning of JPII, has become more and more authoriatarian with little accountabilty for priests and bishops. Unlike almost any other church in America, the RC Church`s system of appointment to priesthood and bishoprics has absolutely no reference to the wishes of the congregations. Priests are appointed by bishops and bishops by the Pope without any need to consult the laity. Forget about elections or ratification by the congregation. And these priests and prelates serve as long their respective ecclesiastical superiors want them to. Add to that the historic secrecy of the Roman church, and you get a fertile ground for abuse and mischief. This is an ecclesiastical counterpart to the Eastern European totalitarian dictatorships that feared any reference to the people`s wishes. In more ways than one, this Church, in its official capacity, is quite opposite of the fundamental precepts of American governance.
You bet the celibacy stuff contributes to this. It is unnatural, un-Biblical, and weird. The Bible is pretty plain and direct about saying that a bishop (never mind a priest) ought to be a man who is `husband of one wife and given to hospitality` (1 Timothy 3). But even in going against this explicit commandment of the Bible, the Church of Rome is selective. For while it forbids it priests and bishops the right to a conjugal life-mate in the West, it explicitly allows its priets in the Ukraine (the Unitiate Church), Greece (the Greek Cathloic Church) and Lebanon (the Maronite Church) to get married and have kids.
#63 Posted by arjun_m on October 10, 2003 10:01:16 pm
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#62 Posted by gorabandar on October 10, 2003 5:32:31 pm
NB- Today the Vatican put the ``Scandal`` in perspective. Lots of exageration !!!! Boston is the epicenter of the problem which... yes IS a homosexual problem. Try as they might the press can`t find too many priests messing with underage girls.
Those of us familiar with the state of Massachusettes in general and Boston in particular are not surprised by this. Let`s not forget Congressional Representatives from Massachusettes Barney Frank(his boyfriend ran a homosexual prostitution business from his office.) and Gerry studds( censured for molesting a 15 yo congressional page) They were both handily re-elected by the citizentry. Ted Kennedy etc.... Yes something is wrong in that State for sure.
I had to laugh every time the media(especially during the last few days of ARNOLD`s campaign for Calif governor, talked about his ``groping`` and ``abusing`` women. Why they only added to his final voting totals.
As to the attraction of ``Movie Stars`` to ``democratic voters``, I know I don`t have to elaborate for tose of you from the sub-continent.
So what am i saying....First there is a double standard for sure....Monica on her hands and knees the Voters and the press love it. A literal handful of corrupt priests and the Media acts so pius.....
As to the ``Greedy`` victims.`` Without even discussing how many are real and how many opportunistic liars..... to watch the so called victims hold out for more money when really they should have informed the authorities 30 years ago when these incidents happened.
Maybe greedy is too strong a word.....maybe i should have used stupid and selfish.
However while I do respect the priesthood and those in the vocation generally, i cannot say the same for certain members of the hierarchy who thankfully are coming to the end of their miserable run.
Those of us familiar with the state of Massachusettes in general and Boston in particular are not surprised by this. Let`s not forget Congressional Representatives from Massachusettes Barney Frank(his boyfriend ran a homosexual prostitution business from his office.) and Gerry studds( censured for molesting a 15 yo congressional page) They were both handily re-elected by the citizentry. Ted Kennedy etc.... Yes something is wrong in that State for sure.
I had to laugh every time the media(especially during the last few days of ARNOLD`s campaign for Calif governor, talked about his ``groping`` and ``abusing`` women. Why they only added to his final voting totals.
As to the attraction of ``Movie Stars`` to ``democratic voters``, I know I don`t have to elaborate for tose of you from the sub-continent.
So what am i saying....First there is a double standard for sure....Monica on her hands and knees the Voters and the press love it. A literal handful of corrupt priests and the Media acts so pius.....
As to the ``Greedy`` victims.`` Without even discussing how many are real and how many opportunistic liars..... to watch the so called victims hold out for more money when really they should have informed the authorities 30 years ago when these incidents happened.
Maybe greedy is too strong a word.....maybe i should have used stupid and selfish.
However while I do respect the priesthood and those in the vocation generally, i cannot say the same for certain members of the hierarchy who thankfully are coming to the end of their miserable run.
#61 Posted by gorabandar on October 10, 2003 5:02:13 pm
Some more scientific info for you about condoms:
Doctors speak out about condom failures!
Many leading health experts have warned against depending on condoms for protection against AIDS and other STDs. Here’s a sampling of their comments:
``You just can’t tell people it’s all right to do whatever you want as long as you wear a condom. It (AIDS) is just too dangerous a disease to say that.``
Quote from: ¾ Dr. Harold Jaffee, chief of epidemiology, National Centers for Disease Control
``Simply put, condoms fail. And condoms fail at a rate unacceptable for me as a physician to endorse them as a strategy to be promoted as meaningful AIDS protection.``
Quote from: ¾ Dr. Robert Renfield, chief of retro-viral research, Walter Reed Army Institute
``Relying on condoms for ‘protection’ can mean lifelong disease, suffering, and even death for you or for someone you love.``
Quote from: ¾ Dr. Andre Lafrance, Canadian physician and researcher
``Saying that the use of condoms is ‘safe sex’ is in fact playing Russian roulette. A lot of people will die in this dangerous game.``
Quote from: ¾ Dr. Teresa Crenshaw, member of the U.S. Presidential AIDS Commission and past president of the American Association of Sex Educators
Holes in Condoms . . .
STDs are very tiny organisms, minuscule in size compared to sperm. These super-small viruses can get through a hole in a condom much more easily than sperm can. For example, HIV (the AIDS-causing virus) is so small that two million of the disease-causing agents could crowd on the period at the end of a sentence.
In 1993 the University of Texas analyzed the results of 11 different studies that had tracked the effectiveness of condoms to prevent transmission of the AIDS virus. The average condom failure rate in the 11 studies for preventing transmission of the AIDS virus was 31%.
One reason condoms fail in preventing the transfer of AIDS is that latex condoms have tiny intrinsic holes called ``voids.`` Sperm is larger than the holes, but the AIDS virus is 50 times smaller than these tiny holes which makes it easy for the virus to pass through [Source: Dr. C. M. Roland, editor of Rubber Chemistry and Technology]. To give you an idea of how easy it would be for the virus to pass through these holes, just imagine a ping pong ball going through a basketball hoop.
Girls Still Get Pregnant!
Did you know that you can use a condom and still get pregnant? A variety of studies have found that condoms have an ``annual failure rate`` of 10% to 36% when it comes to preventing pregnancy.
Can you imagine the consequences for a couple when their condom fails? It happens all the time! One of the studies found that among teenagers, the condom failure rate regarding pregnancy was 36%! On average, that means that one out of every three teenage couples using condoms will become pregnant each year.
Are You ready to catch a sexually transmitted diseases?
Condoms provide considerably less protection against sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) than they do against pregnancy.
That`s because a girl can get pregnant only at ovulation time (that`s two to three days each month) but STDs can pass from partner to partner at any time of the month.
STDs are frequently passed through ``skin to skin`` contact even when condoms are used. This can happen because the bacterial or viral germs that cause many serious STDs (such as human papillomavirus, chlamydia, herpes, and syphilis) do not infect just one place on your body. They may infect anywhere in the male or female genital areas.
So, even if the virus or bacteria isn`t passed through tears or holes in the condom itself, you can still get diseases because condoms don`t cover or protect all areas of the genital region. That means condoms don`t prevent many of the STD infections that take place during sexual contact.
(Editors note: STD is A.K.A. - VD or venereal disease. The first person to email me the root meaning/derivation of the word ``venereal`` wins a FREE copy of the video by Pam Stenzel called Sex Has A Price Tag. Send me your mailing address if you submit an answer so I can send you the video if you win.)
**Facts to Remember . . .
The United States` Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reports that 56 million Americans have an incurable STD. That means 1 in 5 Americans are infected!
12 million people get a new STD each year!
33,000 people get a new STD every day and 22,000 of them are 15 to 24 years old!
25% of High School students will be infected with an STD before graduation!
[**Source: Alan Guttmacher Institute, New York and Center for Disease Control, Atlanta]
Doctors speak out about condom failures!
Many leading health experts have warned against depending on condoms for protection against AIDS and other STDs. Here’s a sampling of their comments:
``You just can’t tell people it’s all right to do whatever you want as long as you wear a condom. It (AIDS) is just too dangerous a disease to say that.``
Quote from: ¾ Dr. Harold Jaffee, chief of epidemiology, National Centers for Disease Control
``Simply put, condoms fail. And condoms fail at a rate unacceptable for me as a physician to endorse them as a strategy to be promoted as meaningful AIDS protection.``
Quote from: ¾ Dr. Robert Renfield, chief of retro-viral research, Walter Reed Army Institute
``Relying on condoms for ‘protection’ can mean lifelong disease, suffering, and even death for you or for someone you love.``
Quote from: ¾ Dr. Andre Lafrance, Canadian physician and researcher
``Saying that the use of condoms is ‘safe sex’ is in fact playing Russian roulette. A lot of people will die in this dangerous game.``
Quote from: ¾ Dr. Teresa Crenshaw, member of the U.S. Presidential AIDS Commission and past president of the American Association of Sex Educators
Holes in Condoms . . .
STDs are very tiny organisms, minuscule in size compared to sperm. These super-small viruses can get through a hole in a condom much more easily than sperm can. For example, HIV (the AIDS-causing virus) is so small that two million of the disease-causing agents could crowd on the period at the end of a sentence.
In 1993 the University of Texas analyzed the results of 11 different studies that had tracked the effectiveness of condoms to prevent transmission of the AIDS virus. The average condom failure rate in the 11 studies for preventing transmission of the AIDS virus was 31%.
One reason condoms fail in preventing the transfer of AIDS is that latex condoms have tiny intrinsic holes called ``voids.`` Sperm is larger than the holes, but the AIDS virus is 50 times smaller than these tiny holes which makes it easy for the virus to pass through [Source: Dr. C. M. Roland, editor of Rubber Chemistry and Technology]. To give you an idea of how easy it would be for the virus to pass through these holes, just imagine a ping pong ball going through a basketball hoop.
Girls Still Get Pregnant!
Did you know that you can use a condom and still get pregnant? A variety of studies have found that condoms have an ``annual failure rate`` of 10% to 36% when it comes to preventing pregnancy.
Can you imagine the consequences for a couple when their condom fails? It happens all the time! One of the studies found that among teenagers, the condom failure rate regarding pregnancy was 36%! On average, that means that one out of every three teenage couples using condoms will become pregnant each year.
Are You ready to catch a sexually transmitted diseases?
Condoms provide considerably less protection against sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) than they do against pregnancy.
That`s because a girl can get pregnant only at ovulation time (that`s two to three days each month) but STDs can pass from partner to partner at any time of the month.
STDs are frequently passed through ``skin to skin`` contact even when condoms are used. This can happen because the bacterial or viral germs that cause many serious STDs (such as human papillomavirus, chlamydia, herpes, and syphilis) do not infect just one place on your body. They may infect anywhere in the male or female genital areas.
So, even if the virus or bacteria isn`t passed through tears or holes in the condom itself, you can still get diseases because condoms don`t cover or protect all areas of the genital region. That means condoms don`t prevent many of the STD infections that take place during sexual contact.
(Editors note: STD is A.K.A. - VD or venereal disease. The first person to email me the root meaning/derivation of the word ``venereal`` wins a FREE copy of the video by Pam Stenzel called Sex Has A Price Tag. Send me your mailing address if you submit an answer so I can send you the video if you win.)
**Facts to Remember . . .
The United States` Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reports that 56 million Americans have an incurable STD. That means 1 in 5 Americans are infected!
12 million people get a new STD each year!
33,000 people get a new STD every day and 22,000 of them are 15 to 24 years old!
25% of High School students will be infected with an STD before graduation!
[**Source: Alan Guttmacher Institute, New York and Center for Disease Control, Atlanta]
#60 Posted by freethinker on October 10, 2003 4:23:59 pm
The prime time show has been captured by Mohtramah Shirin Ebadi, an Iranian lawyer, judge, lecturer, writer and a human rights activist. She has been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. She has outclassed the likes of Pope John Paul II and the former Czech President Vaclav Havel both of whom appeared to be strong candidates. Shirin however came out of the blue and bypassed both of them.
Mohtramah Ebadi was Iran`s first female judge and served as president of the city court of Tehran from 1975 to 1979. She was forced to quit as a judge in 1979 by Ayatullah Khomeini`s Islamic Revolutionary government. Her recognition by the Nobel Peace Prize Committee has been passionately hailed by the women, particularly the Muslim women around the world.
Samira Trad, a human rights activist in Beirut said, ``..the Nobel committee has made a good judgment. It is good for a woman from our area.`` According to Rana Husseni, a Jordanian human rights activist, it is ``a great achievement. I think this will promote women`s causes worldwide including Arab, and women`s issues.``
Mohtramah Ebadi said, ``I`m a Muslim, so you can be a Muslim and support democracy. It is very good for human rights in Iran, especially for children`s rights in Iran. I hope I can be useful.``
Sure she has been useful. It`s a refreshing reflection on a Muslim country which has been called a part of the axis of evil. Mohtramah Ebadi is an angel of peace.
The hardliners and fundamentalists will lash back on the award from many different perspectives but let us relish the happy moment as long as it endures. Excuse me if I have gloated a little bit but how often people from our part of the world receive such important recognition.
Mohammad Gill
Mohtramah Ebadi was Iran`s first female judge and served as president of the city court of Tehran from 1975 to 1979. She was forced to quit as a judge in 1979 by Ayatullah Khomeini`s Islamic Revolutionary government. Her recognition by the Nobel Peace Prize Committee has been passionately hailed by the women, particularly the Muslim women around the world.
Samira Trad, a human rights activist in Beirut said, ``..the Nobel committee has made a good judgment. It is good for a woman from our area.`` According to Rana Husseni, a Jordanian human rights activist, it is ``a great achievement. I think this will promote women`s causes worldwide including Arab, and women`s issues.``
Mohtramah Ebadi said, ``I`m a Muslim, so you can be a Muslim and support democracy. It is very good for human rights in Iran, especially for children`s rights in Iran. I hope I can be useful.``
Sure she has been useful. It`s a refreshing reflection on a Muslim country which has been called a part of the axis of evil. Mohtramah Ebadi is an angel of peace.
The hardliners and fundamentalists will lash back on the award from many different perspectives but let us relish the happy moment as long as it endures. Excuse me if I have gloated a little bit but how often people from our part of the world receive such important recognition.
Mohammad Gill
#59 Posted by arjun_m on October 10, 2003 11:00:13 am
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#58 Posted by dost_mittar on October 10, 2003 8:40:45 am
Dear Farzana:
Looks like you were more persuasive than me with the Nobel committee!
Sorry for misreading you on Pope going to Iraq.
I too dont believe anythig is sacred for discussion (should have put a smiley there in my post!).
[Isn’t it strange that those who accuse me of being provocative are now trying to get on the Ram-Indo/Pak-Kashmir case because it gets the greatest responses? Ah, you have tasted blood…I do hope your ‘fan club’ turns out to be more interesting than mine.]
I did not `accuse` you of provocation. Although I did refer to your previous article as provocative, it was as a praise and not as a criticism. As far as myself, my first substantive article on chowk itself had the provocative title of ``Gandhi, Godse and Gita``, so I dont consider provocation in writing as bad.
No, thanks, but I dont want `those` kind of fans. I dont have the skills to handle them and I would be screaming for help!
Regards,
dm
Looks like you were more persuasive than me with the Nobel committee!
Sorry for misreading you on Pope going to Iraq.
I too dont believe anythig is sacred for discussion (should have put a smiley there in my post!).
[Isn’t it strange that those who accuse me of being provocative are now trying to get on the Ram-Indo/Pak-Kashmir case because it gets the greatest responses? Ah, you have tasted blood…I do hope your ‘fan club’ turns out to be more interesting than mine.]
I did not `accuse` you of provocation. Although I did refer to your previous article as provocative, it was as a praise and not as a criticism. As far as myself, my first substantive article on chowk itself had the provocative title of ``Gandhi, Godse and Gita``, so I dont consider provocation in writing as bad.
No, thanks, but I dont want `those` kind of fans. I dont have the skills to handle them and I would be screaming for help!
Regards,
dm
#57 Posted by gorabandar on October 10, 2003 8:26:07 am
A little science for you from the CDC:http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats.htm#exposure
Men who have sex with men 368,971
Recipient of blood transfusion, blood components, 8,971
Now what about Africa where the AIDS rates are almost equal....Well another Dogma the Catholic Church tries to shove down people`s throats is one spouse for a lifetime. This not only insures that children are properly raised but that sexually transmitted diseases are not spread. Of course again the Church can only advise
A simple example for you and let me say this gently....You put your hand on a hot stove and it gets burned !!!! :)
Men who have sex with men 368,971
Recipient of blood transfusion, blood components, 8,971
Now what about Africa where the AIDS rates are almost equal....Well another Dogma the Catholic Church tries to shove down people`s throats is one spouse for a lifetime. This not only insures that children are properly raised but that sexually transmitted diseases are not spread. Of course again the Church can only advise
A simple example for you and let me say this gently....You put your hand on a hot stove and it gets burned !!!! :)
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