Of Curiosity, Optimism and Hope

Ms. Habib

I see that attempts to brainwash you have begun.

My advice isn`t something you wouldn`t know already. Despite all our relations, India and Pakistan are not friendly countries. They have been at constant, declared or undeclared war since independence. We can argue over why this war has been going on, or who is unable to live peacefully. But that is how it has been. Given the common history and culture at least among north Indians and Pakistanis, the two countries shouldn`t be at constant war. But there is even an attempt to deny this common history and culture as part of state dogma.

Under these circumstances, when differences and not commonalities are a cardinal principle of state`s justification, expecting normal relations based on those real commonalities would be naive. That doesnt mean that people shouldnt try to be friendly to each other. I see lot of north Indians wanting to visit Pakistan. They should be allowed to if Pakistan gives them visas. Pakistan should be able to come to India.

It does mean that if a Muslim from India establishes an unbroken record of blaming India, for instance, even when the Indian parliament is attacked, or non Muslims are shot in Kashmir by Pakistani trained terrorists, or the Indian plane is hijacked by Pakistani thugs, such a person will get a frosty response from other Indians. Even from me, who should be neutral in Hindu-Muslim problems.

To see this phenomenon really in effect, you should watch how Bharatvarshi, a Pakistani Hindu, is torn to pieces whenever he posts something less that flattering about Pakistan. And the guy is a Dhimmi, worse, a Hindu, a Pakistani whose country officially defines him as the other!

Finally, if you knew Urstruly`s attitude toward Hindus and other Indians, you would understand why his approval is not going to win anyone friends among Indians.

I am writing this to sensitize you to issues that you may already have understood even before coming to Chowk. So welcome.

stuka..
yes... u are right.. i guess the happenings in Marad are quite contrary to the way people try to paint India as anti muslim... atleast I feel so...

may be some one from Kerala or someone who has some good links can write a piece on it for a start....

Harimau...

yep.. I am c/c++/php/asp/fortran/vb/pascal/ guy...

but the {{}} style I have observed and copied from other chowkies.. dont remember who it was thought...

btw.. what is Goltland!!! :-/

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Harimau #26 & #29,

HA HA HA.. quite funny.

It seems that you know a bit of C, C++ yourself. A gult disguised as a sikh???

Why are you limiting your ``Raj karega khalsa`` dreams to Lahore? Aim for Washington, DC and Beijing also (the two powers that really matter today). I shall pray for you on my next trip to the gurudwara :)


Kaurasach #28

Out of curiosity, where did u study? and what is your sample set of the pakistanis who you knew? and no exceptions??

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re: romair

{I think it would be healthy to see some opinions from India, completely blaming India for all the Indo-Pak problems, also. }

..weren`t you running around with a hard-on after arundhati roy did just that?...

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Compliments on writing a very clear headed article on what it is like growing up muslim in India. I am sorry to hear that ugly ethnic comments have reached even the South; I had hoped that this disease was confined to North India.

Somehow, while I went to school and college with several muslim friends, I have not witnessed situations like these. But maybe it is just my age showing; there is no doubt that beginning in the 90`s we see more polarization and communal separation.

Welcome to Chowk (maybe this is your second article here?) !

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Ref temporal #30

[harimau

...in #27 you say ``...If I recall correctly, the first comment ...came from Ali1, a *Pakistani* AND a *Muslim* ....So much for abuse from Hindians.``

...i hope you are home based and have full access to the internet unlike the last time you made a statement and had to withdraw...

...where is the proof that:

1: Ali made the first comment?
2: That said person is a pakistani?
3: And the said person is a muslim?

...holding my breath...not!]

Despite having DSL access, it still took me more than 30 minutes to search through Ali1`s rantings and ravings on Chowk. Here is Ali1 in his own words:

[#561 Making Religion Sexy on January 28, 2001
bibi farzana,

Assalam-o-alaikum wa rehmat ullah he wa barakatuhu

This reminds me of another article of yours where you mixed food w/ sex (uppercrustindia.com?).

Wallahie, you really need to get laid.

Alternatively, you can recite ``Jal tu Jalal tu`` 70 times after each tahajudd prayers.

Wassalam]


[#773 Kargil and the Myth of Losing the Media War on August 27, 1999

bahmad, me and my family have never had the misfortune of living in India]

Thus, I have presented proof that Ali1 indeed said to Farzana Versey that she needs to get laid; that Ali1 is NOT an Indian and thus likely to be a Pakistani. His other ravings show his anti-Hindu rhetoric and he has called Patrick Massih something derogatory in Urdu which leads me to suspect that he is NOT a Christian. He has also made it clear that he is NOT a Qadiani. So one logically concludes that he is Muslim.

As to Ali1 being the FIRST person to have told Farzana Versey about his perception of her physical needs, I have no wish to go through the hundreds of thousands of interacts by thousands of interactors to prove that point. But it does raise an interesting point: do YOU wish to claim credit for being the originator of the said statement?

Kindest regards.

Incidentally, sometime ago I was browsing thru the list of Indian
soldiers killed in kargil.

Quite a few muslim names were from kerala.

Ref anurag #32

[Harimau #26 & #29,

HA HA HA.. quite funny.]

Thanks.

[It seems that you know a bit of C, C++ yourself.]

Enough to say that C and C++ are the grades they deserve as programming languages!

[A gult disguised as a sikh???]

Not at all. I am from the true hegemon of South India, Tamil Nadu!

Hi Zarine . . . thank you for another interesting article . . . just out of curiosity, were you ever, in the course of your travels especially up North, called a ``Madrasi`` as different from a ``Malloo``? And if so, did you take umbrage or did you leave it to the other person`s ignorance or did you try to correct the other person? Or any other reaction?

Thank you/rgds/malik

Re : ironman # 44

Most Muslims killed in Kargil were from JKLI which has a large number of Muslims. JKLI battalions were the first solders up the hills and took a lot of causalities. Gurkha Rifles, Ladakh Scouts, Naga Regiments, and Jammu and Kashmir Infantry were entrusted with operations in Kargil. They all have Muslim solders. I don’t know of any Kerela regiment involved in Kargil.

Regards,

Faruk

Frankly, Indians do not consider any of the Pakistani Elites as worthy of emulation....for US Pakistan is just a bad theocratic experiment (a Kitch infact) and inconsequential to US for the reasons of trade or even culturally. It just happens that some of the near ones migrated to Pakistan and we maintained the filial ties because of the traditions.
Most of the Indians (especially those from the South) had forgotten Pakistani Army Elites (even as an enemy) until these Jokers started re-working at their surreptitious and ``khurafaat``schemings and tried to occupy Kargil.
WE were forced to pay attention to these guys in the same manner as America was forced to acknowledge the ``importance`` of Al-Qaeda after 9/11. This is a bad distraction for India in terms of its resources- and an even worse for Pakistan because, these Army Elites are going to take Pakistan down even faster than their Political Elites would have by diverting the funds either to the Armed forces or in their hare brained schemes with bombastic claims.