Who is Afraid of Al Qaeda?

...... the emissary ......

......urstruly is a worthy emissary of the man who lives in a cave ................ he has eloquently presented osama`s six demands and has proposed that if they are met by the wicked west the ummah will simmer down, forget their dreams of establishing the khilafat, and start shaving and behaving like civilized men ............. i don`t think so ...............as syed qutub, ursruly`s peer and murshid, pointed out - the west is antithetical to islam and muslims will never be able to practice their deen and madhab in a secular world ............. this is a war of ideas, and hopefully the idea of freedom will triumph over the idea of slavery under a tyrannical god and his cave-dwelling apostles .............

bravo tahmed32 #25 for not falling into arjun_m`s trap. wonder what will happen when our typical chowkies stop getting a raise out of their pet issues!!

arjun #24 your opinions - on pakistanis, on indians, on anything else - interest me slightly less than the views of the african howling monkey`s views on subatomic physics (and that frankly is all you can do on chowk....howl ``paki! paki! paki!`` ten times a day, or when offered some peanuts as reward).

while there is no shortage of your kind of indian on chowk, i have met enough indians to realize that you dont represent the average indian.

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ahmedzai #19 i think you are only partially right on india. sure there are followers of modi (or just plain pakistani haters, victims no doubt of brainwashing and/or their own low-esteem). but there are far more people in india who are neither followers of modi, nor obsessed with pakistan. they seek the same thing that most pakistani seek, or indeed most people of any naitonality seek: a better future for themselves and their children.

i think we should define our view of india by these ``silent majority`` of india, and indeed define all people the same way.

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Hiding in cave and running for his life, Osama cannot provide any leadership to any one except extremists of the extremists. It will be leaders like Pakistan`s President Musharraf, Malaysia`s Badawi, etc, who will be acknowledged as new leaders.

The worries of an average mortal should be that while 1 billion Muslims of the Islamic countries and those living in non-Muslim lands will have to decide which model to follow i.e. Enlightened Moderation of Musharraf or terrorism of Osama, Indians are willingly following only one model - extremism and fundamentalism offered by Advanis, Joshis and Modis. Therefore, its Indians who have to do serious soul searching.

Ironman

Can you tell a little more about Kalki? Is that the tenth avathar? Admittedly, my knowledge of Hinduism is poor but I didnt hear any of my friends ever mention his name?

To lift your spirits, we may not have to wait that long. Recently some Pakistani posted that Kalki has already arrived. You know who this was supposed to be?

No prizes for guessing the name of this Arab who went around ethnic cleansing. He also established a pure caste - Muslims :)

Well I do call myself a liberal and hated Bin Laden of what he
did on 9/11 (specially it`s tough for someone who has lived in
Big Apple for years) but after the Afghan Episode,The Iraqi Invasion
(though I think Iraqis are better off now) and now the US sanctions
on Syria ....things have started to change .. Osama Bin Laden seems
to be quite `right` in his taughts at times but at times he`s the same
person who ruined the image of Islam and Muslims arround the world?
mixed feelings..? so whos to blame? Bin Laden or US (who made Bin
Laden .. Bin Laden?)
some taughts...!

We agree than that in essence the US has choose to ignore the facts that could have promoted betterment in our region. Instead their is stark evidence that in destabilisation of our region lies the ultimate goal of the Christian-Zionist imperial designs. Although everytime a Muslim complains about this theme he is told that he should try and sort his mess out without blaming the west. This is the Ironic Catch 22 which the moderates face. And offcourse every one else apart from the Christain-Zionist nexus, the russians, the indians, will use this to bash us collectively without really trying to understand that we will never be able to answer the root causes on our own. What Edward Said Called the tragic overlap of all the regions with one an other and our collective fate.

Why does not Osama the Menace think that the US is going to surrender to all the suicide bombings and terrorist attacks with a speech by the President Bush himself declaring an end to all search operations and attacks on the so-called rouge states? Why is he still lurking around rocky mountains making plans when his meaningless never ending jihad would never terminate according to his expectations... and mind it... to write Osamas jihad with a capital J is disrespect for this true Islamic concept.

Mr Bush has taken this world for a ride..

Infact ..he should be tried for the mass murder of american peoples in the 911 demolition

there is no such thing as a a Muslim Osama Bin Laden...he is playing a similiar role as that of
lawerence of Arabia..


He is a CIA agent....and if He is involved in all these terrorist acts that he is just following a Bush game plan..

Just a hint...

download the 911 demolition video from cnn`s site...and play is in slowmotion..if you can..

you will notice...
1- the first plane seems to fire something before....crashing..in...
2- the second planee struck after aboput half hour...When the whole media attention was on the the plane`s colliision... and he too seems to have something tied under its belly..


Watch that video again...and you will immediately notice...its a control demolition...


every thing....collappsed into inself.....nothing fell out except some deberis...


and the best of all....there has been no real.....INVESTIGATION of the watershed 911 so far



and if as its said...that the fire from the planes....MELTEFD the steel structure... and then collapled..

and this is a very stupid argument....

and it is news unbelievable news.......the solid steel structures...which requires high temp acytelene toreches burning at above 1600 C temp to just cut steel...
are in fact obselete....you can simply melt this steel with a sprinkle or a jet feul...which burns at most at 300 C ..


Maybe later some other time.... I will put forward more argument... that 911 is infact an
inside Job....

wajahat #9

Please get this out of your system once and for all:

``poverty, corruption and a lack of a opportunities`` DO NOT LEAD to the behavior Muslims display. Killing of innocents is promoted by ideologies of hate, by incitement against followers of other religions, by mullah and mosques, and in the case of Mcveigh, by groups nurtured on hate.

Instead of waiting for another prophet leader, Muslims should begin fixing the way they think and view the world around them.

The first step is to get this into their heads that others are NOT DIFFERENT from how they are, that others can hate Muslims back if Muslims preach hatred of others.

When Shias are killed in Pakistan, NO PAKISTANI asks the Pakistani government to look at the ROOT CAUSE of ``poverty, corruption, and lack of opportunities.``

Shias are shot to death in Karachi because there are people in Pakistan who openly preach that Shias are not real Muslims, that they are kafirs. That`s why in killing Shias, it is not the very poorest of Pakistan who are involved.

Don`t expect others to swallow the sh$t that shias and sunnis don`t swallow from each other.

ironman:
``In hinduism the last ethnic cleanser is a guy called Kalki (...he will come with flashing sword and speedy steed....). When that mythology was written, there were no muslims or christians or anything else other than hinduism and its 4 castes. ``....``He fixes the castes structure back to its pristine purity from the `chaos` of `caste mixing`. Thats what he does. IOW, He kills all the caste half-breeds.``

Questions:
-How many hindus have heard of Kalki? [My guess is 10% or less; the only times I`ve heard about him is when I`ve watched a Bharat Natyam performance of dash-avatar];
-How many of those who have heard about him believe in a kalki?
-How many of them know he will reestablish the purity of the caste system? [Thanks for adding this bit to my general knowledge; I had thought that he too would have some kind of general purpose of establishing the victory of the good over evil!]