Who is Afraid of Al Qaeda?

One thing that stands out with this whole tape thing, is that it is aimed upon the people of United States. It is done on a regular basis to keep them in check, keep them in fear of the boogeyman. The reality is that these so called Osama`s tapes get more airtime and anytime in the West specially the US then it does in the Muslim Countries. One thing that we have to agree upon is that OSAMA BIN LADIN IS NOT (i repeat) NOT A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE MUSLIM WORLD and this distortion by the US Media has to be stopped by atleast us, who actually are in succinct knowledge of the ground reality. Infact the muslim world is as leader less as it was pre 9/11. It should be our responsibilty as Muslims to disemanate this distortion from the western psyche. Herman Goering said it after WW2, is easy to control people, just tell them they are in danger and they will blindly agree with whatever you feel is neccessary to protect them. America , some say is standing on the brink of a similar type of fascism. The fear is neccessary to keep Americans Afraid of the raghead Boogeyman from the east so that the Oil And Arms firms can stay in business.

As for the Muslim World, this tunnel vision generalisation of the Islamic world greatly reduces the chances for us to critically look at the problems and even more difficult to come about at solutions. Instead we keep churning out the same old Western Mantra of Modernisation at the speed of light. And as for the belief that the world will ultimately divide under two opposing banners, let us try and slow the drive to that day and not join the Bush and Bin Ladin who keep pushing us towards that place at break neck speeds.

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While the article dealt with the ifs, ands and buts of the Osama tapes, I was more struck by your somewhat casual reference to the primer Taleem -ul - Islam that you allude to. Is this polemic to hate and intolerance still being distributed to our young Muslim children? And you were offered this diatribe in your school in Free India, presumably in the early 1980`s?

I shudder to think of the challenges that secularism faces in the place of my birth, if this is still the case.

Perhaps you as a reflective and educated citizen will see that it is distributed no longer.
Freedom of speech does not cover hate and bias indoctrination, as this drivel appears to represent.

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When I was in school, ..... I was struck by the prophecies of doomsday. In the Islamic primer Taleem-ul-Islam, a part of compulsory moral education in our school, we were warned of a time before the doomsday when the world would be divided into two camps: the Muslims and the Non-Muslims. A leader would emerge from amongst the Muslims and declare a war against the seemingly all-powerful heathens. The war would result in a victory for the devout Muslims, and those who were not devout would perish................

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Why Osama and Saddam should not be killed:

They should bre made to live their lives in humiliation, self imposed exiles, weak, feeble and under pity from the rest of the Ummah so that the images of valour that they had created in the minds of ummah is effectively destroyed. They should not be made to look like martyrs but like dogs on run.
I am all in favour of letting the world watch them in pity
Mushy supports this by allowing him a haven in borders . This gives him a good opportunity to take over the terror network through ISI and direct the Al-Qaeda`s attention towards Kashmir.
Every thing is going as per the plan guys. Just watch and wait, till our guy Mushy gets busted!!

Zafar, ussa,

This armageddon, last saviour, etc theories abound in every religion I guess.

In hinduism the last ethnic cleanser is a guy called Kalki (...he will come with flashing sword and speedy steed....). When that mythology was written, there were no muslims or christians or anything else other than hinduism and its 4 castes.

So what does kalki do? Whom does he kill?

He fixes the castes structure back to its pristine purity from the `chaos` of `caste mixing`. Thats what he does. IOW, He kills all the caste half-breeds.

(Nothing to fidget about though, there`s still another 427,000 years to wait for his arrival. He`s `kalki baat` at the moment!!)

It is a war between the competing Prophets,
competing Prophecies,
competing Prophet followers,
this is war for CONTROL over the souls of men and hence the riches of the world,
it is all about greed, lust and jealousy- it is not about peace of heavens but fires of hell.

There isn`t anything in this world as Muslim world, Christian world, Bahai world, Hindu world etc. There are nations and leaders of some nations with Muslim majority population are doing their part of harming Muslims. Musharraf and Mahathir doing through OIC and Bin Laden doing it through Al-Jazeera tapes is same shit - O` Muslim of the world do this and do that.

Let me see if I can convince Saminashah to use her influence on Amy Goodwin to convince Michael Moore to write another book, ``Stupid Muslim Men``.

arjun

How many christians asked to look at the ``root cause`` when Tim McVeigh blew up innocent people?

It is this knowledge arjun that makes us even more worried about the consequences of whats happening in our world today. Osama does not represent us, no matter how much the West would like him too. However we know how bad the leadership crisis really is. And how poverty, corruption and a lack of a opportunities are driving men towards the fundamentalist ideaology. But to overlook a region and the basis of the problem is never going to solve it, it will multiply it by a million. Look at Iraq for example, taking over it and getting rid of saddam was just an initiation of the problem. The problem is just begining to take shape now.

wajahat # 1

OBL may not be an officially appointed spokesperson of the Muslim world and Muslim world may oppose or even be disgusted by the tactics he has allegedly used yet there is no differences between his objectives and that of the Muslim world. Two years ago I wrote an article titled ``The Clash of Uncivilizations & Osama-ism`` thru which I argued this point in all details. I argued that at that time we had two choices:

1. address the issues which OBL presents as his objectives and burry OBL in the annals of history is a criminal and a mass-murderer for good.

2. Maintain the status quo and turn what is now just Osama into Osama-ism.

Unfortunately the Americans and the West chose the second option and brought the world on the verge of third world war. Those six objectives with some minor changes still hold true..

That is what I wrote two years ago:



1. To put an end to the inhuman sanctions to the people of Iraq

2. To find a peaceful and honorable solution to the Palestinian issue

3. To reach a peaceful and honorable agreement between Palestinians and Arabs.

4. The evacuattion of Western occupational forces from Saudi Arabia and Gulf

5. To reach an honorbal, peacfull, and reasonable solution to the problems in Kashmir, Albania, Chechniya, East Taimur, Philipines, etc.

6. To stop the Western support of des[potic and tyrranical regimes throughout the Muslim World.

``In the Islamic primer Taleem-ul-Islam, a part of compulsory moral education in our school, we were warned of a time before the doomsday when the world would be divided into two camps: the Muslims and the Non-Muslims. A leader would emerge from amongst the Muslims and declare a war against the seemingly all-powerful heathens. The war would result in a victory for the devout Muslims, and those who were not devout would perish. ``

What is ``moral`` about this education?
A question to muslim friends: How many of you were taught this book in your childhood? The answer is important even if, with your higher educationa and sophistication, you no longer believe in such predictions. Because most children who have been taught this message at an impressionable age and internalised it, like the hindus internalise caste distinctions, would still be influenced by it. We have seen how hard it has been for India to get rid of casteism despite two generations of state and public sermonising against this evil.

ironman:
``In hinduism the last ethnic cleanser is a guy called Kalki (...he will come with flashing sword and speedy steed....). When that mythology was written, there were no muslims or christians or anything else other than hinduism and its 4 castes. ``....``He fixes the castes structure back to its pristine purity from the `chaos` of `caste mixing`. Thats what he does. IOW, He kills all the caste half-breeds.``

Questions:
-How many hindus have heard of Kalki? [My guess is 10% or less; the only times I`ve heard about him is when I`ve watched a Bharat Natyam performance of dash-avatar];
-How many of those who have heard about him believe in a kalki?
-How many of them know he will reestablish the purity of the caste system? [Thanks for adding this bit to my general knowledge; I had thought that he too would have some kind of general purpose of establishing the victory of the good over evil!]

wajahat #9

Please get this out of your system once and for all:

``poverty, corruption and a lack of a opportunities`` DO NOT LEAD to the behavior Muslims display. Killing of innocents is promoted by ideologies of hate, by incitement against followers of other religions, by mullah and mosques, and in the case of Mcveigh, by groups nurtured on hate.

Instead of waiting for another prophet leader, Muslims should begin fixing the way they think and view the world around them.

The first step is to get this into their heads that others are NOT DIFFERENT from how they are, that others can hate Muslims back if Muslims preach hatred of others.

When Shias are killed in Pakistan, NO PAKISTANI asks the Pakistani government to look at the ROOT CAUSE of ``poverty, corruption, and lack of opportunities.``

Shias are shot to death in Karachi because there are people in Pakistan who openly preach that Shias are not real Muslims, that they are kafirs. That`s why in killing Shias, it is not the very poorest of Pakistan who are involved.

Don`t expect others to swallow the sh$t that shias and sunnis don`t swallow from each other.

Mr Bush has taken this world for a ride..

Infact ..he should be tried for the mass murder of american peoples in the 911 demolition

there is no such thing as a a Muslim Osama Bin Laden...he is playing a similiar role as that of
lawerence of Arabia..


He is a CIA agent....and if He is involved in all these terrorist acts that he is just following a Bush game plan..

Just a hint...

download the 911 demolition video from cnn`s site...and play is in slowmotion..if you can..

you will notice...
1- the first plane seems to fire something before....crashing..in...
2- the second planee struck after aboput half hour...When the whole media attention was on the the plane`s colliision... and he too seems to have something tied under its belly..


Watch that video again...and you will immediately notice...its a control demolition...


every thing....collappsed into inself.....nothing fell out except some deberis...


and the best of all....there has been no real.....INVESTIGATION of the watershed 911 so far



and if as its said...that the fire from the planes....MELTEFD the steel structure... and then collapled..

and this is a very stupid argument....

and it is news unbelievable news.......the solid steel structures...which requires high temp acytelene toreches burning at above 1600 C temp to just cut steel...
are in fact obselete....you can simply melt this steel with a sprinkle or a jet feul...which burns at most at 300 C ..


Maybe later some other time.... I will put forward more argument... that 911 is infact an
inside Job....

Why does not Osama the Menace think that the US is going to surrender to all the suicide bombings and terrorist attacks with a speech by the President Bush himself declaring an end to all search operations and attacks on the so-called rouge states? Why is he still lurking around rocky mountains making plans when his meaningless never ending jihad would never terminate according to his expectations... and mind it... to write Osamas jihad with a capital J is disrespect for this true Islamic concept.

We agree than that in essence the US has choose to ignore the facts that could have promoted betterment in our region. Instead their is stark evidence that in destabilisation of our region lies the ultimate goal of the Christian-Zionist imperial designs. Although everytime a Muslim complains about this theme he is told that he should try and sort his mess out without blaming the west. This is the Ironic Catch 22 which the moderates face. And offcourse every one else apart from the Christain-Zionist nexus, the russians, the indians, will use this to bash us collectively without really trying to understand that we will never be able to answer the root causes on our own. What Edward Said Called the tragic overlap of all the regions with one an other and our collective fate.