Anne Shamim November 2, 2003
#12 Posted by Fosa on November 2, 2003 10:20:55 am
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#10 Posted by nasah on November 2, 2003 6:57:19 am
Dear Anne you write -- ``Dr. Mahathir is an educated professional, yet his speech, rather than being diplomatically seasoned, was crude and ``dumbed down.``
couldn`t agree with you more -- ``crude and dumbed down`` -- exactly the description .....there is indeed a thin line between the educated and the uneducated in the Emotional Muslim World.......
Great piece
hasan
couldn`t agree with you more -- ``crude and dumbed down`` -- exactly the description .....there is indeed a thin line between the educated and the uneducated in the Emotional Muslim World.......
Great piece
hasan
#9 Posted by wajahat on November 2, 2003 6:42:23 am
I have to register my complaint against you, I am deeply offended at your sycophancy, a natural condition of the Muslim Leadership today. Mr Mahatir did not blaze all jews but the Zionist Racist who control so much of the world and are using their influence to effect the Muslim world. And what he meant by using the brains is not in reference to Weaponry but at first to sort out our own civilian structure. The last thing we need is a Elite to brush Mr Mahatir with the Fundamentalist stroke. It is indeed this type of leadership we need if we are to become a single entity rather than then lead by Self Serving Slaves of a Foriegn Master. I dont think the author would be as pained if he heard Sharon or Bush Speak ill of our Nation and their Backwardness, She would possible agree in all earnest and conclude that it is true. We dont need this on the fence analysis. Unfortunately this world has been transformed by Mr Bush into one of Sides.
#8 Posted by RationalFaith on November 2, 2003 6:42:22 am
Medic Mahathir - Right Diagnosis, Wrong Prescription!
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/AlamgirHussain31101.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/AlamgirHussain31101.htm
#6 Posted by HaroonEllahi on November 2, 2003 6:41:53 am
Dear Anne Shamim, Your article is baseless and makes little or no sense. Firstly, whatever Dr. Mahathir said about the Muslim World, the West and the Jews is 101% correct.
``The Europeans had to kneel at the feet of Muslim scholars in order to
access their own scholastic heritage.``
Well, that statement is NOT showing his complexities or his insecurities, infact, its telling a fact. Its making us sit down and think for once about the Glorious past we once had. And whats wrong in seeking education and developing your military techonology domestically? Throughout history military as well as economics have been key-sculptors of World events.
``But what was his context? Weaponry. Get educated, so that you can make your own weapons and not have to import hand-me-downs from more advanced cultures.``
Ummm... even though he wasn`t stressing on military that much but the fact is that We SHOULD be developing our own military. For instance, it costs the U.s.a roughly about 20million dollars to produce one f-16. They sell one f-16 for 95million dollars. We should be developing our own tanks, jets, missiles and navy in the interest of effective spending.
``The Europeans had to kneel at the feet of Muslim scholars in order to
access their own scholastic heritage.``
Well, that statement is NOT showing his complexities or his insecurities, infact, its telling a fact. Its making us sit down and think for once about the Glorious past we once had. And whats wrong in seeking education and developing your military techonology domestically? Throughout history military as well as economics have been key-sculptors of World events.
``But what was his context? Weaponry. Get educated, so that you can make your own weapons and not have to import hand-me-downs from more advanced cultures.``
Ummm... even though he wasn`t stressing on military that much but the fact is that We SHOULD be developing our own military. For instance, it costs the U.s.a roughly about 20million dollars to produce one f-16. They sell one f-16 for 95million dollars. We should be developing our own tanks, jets, missiles and navy in the interest of effective spending.
#5 Posted by Fosa on November 2, 2003 6:41:53 am
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#3 Posted by MianBhai on November 2, 2003 6:41:52 am
Anne,
Good article that mirrors the feelings of a lot of muslims and others that share in the idealism and vision and that yearning for a better world for all of mankind. However, such yearnings must be tempered with pragmatism and an insight to/of the realities of life. You say, `` as a Muslim who wants the welfare of all Muslims, and as a citizen of the world who favors peace and diplomacy over war and injustice ``, you must also ponder and invest a considerable amount of thought as to whether there are any takers for such sentiments on the other side ( mainly the WEST and other non-muslims). Surely not all jews or ALL non-muslims are out to destroy Islam or annihilate muslims. But there are a sizeable number that do plan the destruction/plunder of muslims lands and resources and unfortunately this anti-islamic cabal is in power in most countries that have the wherewithall to effect just such a calamity. May be Mr. Mahathir was alluding to such a cabal. And too often, people like us who yearn for peace and diplomacy are left behind clasping our hands in angiush and pain as we watch from a distance dreadful events unfolding before our eyes. Indeed, the muslim world is in dire need of leaders of the caliber of Mahatma Gandhi, Martin luther King and Nelson Mandela with the proviso that they also possess the brains and bravery of a Salahuddin Ayyubi.
Best regards and I really liked your article. Keep it up.
MianBhai
Good article that mirrors the feelings of a lot of muslims and others that share in the idealism and vision and that yearning for a better world for all of mankind. However, such yearnings must be tempered with pragmatism and an insight to/of the realities of life. You say, `` as a Muslim who wants the welfare of all Muslims, and as a citizen of the world who favors peace and diplomacy over war and injustice ``, you must also ponder and invest a considerable amount of thought as to whether there are any takers for such sentiments on the other side ( mainly the WEST and other non-muslims). Surely not all jews or ALL non-muslims are out to destroy Islam or annihilate muslims. But there are a sizeable number that do plan the destruction/plunder of muslims lands and resources and unfortunately this anti-islamic cabal is in power in most countries that have the wherewithall to effect just such a calamity. May be Mr. Mahathir was alluding to such a cabal. And too often, people like us who yearn for peace and diplomacy are left behind clasping our hands in angiush and pain as we watch from a distance dreadful events unfolding before our eyes. Indeed, the muslim world is in dire need of leaders of the caliber of Mahatma Gandhi, Martin luther King and Nelson Mandela with the proviso that they also possess the brains and bravery of a Salahuddin Ayyubi.
Best regards and I really liked your article. Keep it up.
MianBhai
#2 Posted by ferozk on November 2, 2003 4:46:52 am
re: Anne
First of all, welcome to Chowk after long leave of absence!
Concerning the speech, it was unfortunate that the speech will be remembered for its anti-semetic remarks. There were about 4,150 odd words in that speech and only 28 were devoted to Jews and it was these 28 words, which caused an international fire storm. The rest of the speech was against the levels of darkness and backwardness in the Muslim world and the speech, generally, was a rebuke to the Muslim nations in particular and to the Muslims in general highlighting their insignificance in the world.
All said and done, the speech was about the need for the Muslims to revive their miserable levels of education and to improve their economic performances. If the Jews and the world did not like Dr. Mahathir`s 28 words, the Muslims must have hated his other 4,130 odd words.
Ciao
First of all, welcome to Chowk after long leave of absence!
Concerning the speech, it was unfortunate that the speech will be remembered for its anti-semetic remarks. There were about 4,150 odd words in that speech and only 28 were devoted to Jews and it was these 28 words, which caused an international fire storm. The rest of the speech was against the levels of darkness and backwardness in the Muslim world and the speech, generally, was a rebuke to the Muslim nations in particular and to the Muslims in general highlighting their insignificance in the world.
All said and done, the speech was about the need for the Muslims to revive their miserable levels of education and to improve their economic performances. If the Jews and the world did not like Dr. Mahathir`s 28 words, the Muslims must have hated his other 4,130 odd words.
Ciao
#1 Posted by MantoLives on November 2, 2003 2:45:15 am
Finally a view one can agree with...
I don`t see this emphasis on Weaponry... Mahatir Mohammed has done so well Economically and has been vanguard of Malaysia against reactionary and theocratic forces.. yet he made these statements... maybe to under cut the growing Islamist sentiment in Malaysia...
Compare this to the statement of the great Ataturk who said:
`Nations are judged by their education and morals first. Military might comes last.`
-YLH
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