Rethinking Plebiscite In Kashmir

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Distance to Srinagar,

No pakistani ever mentioned that there are road signs every where in pakistan which sign posts the distance to srinagar. I saw one reprinted in an australian news papare which read, Rawal pindi $$$, then below is Srinagar ####.

This is again part of the k for kafir education, to train the minds of the jihadists that all that they have to do is march that distance.
There is no doubt that when pakis say that kashmir is central issue, it only reflects how all of their lives are petrmeated with this kashmir issue, and links it to their religion, the only cause for jihad and attainment of heaven.

Talk prerequsites,

India should insist on a public enquiry into the kargill invasion before any talks on kashmir. The only way to progress peace is to progress the iraquisation. In todays jang there is report that mushy has asserted that there are no pressures to roll back on the bomb which sort of confirms the pressures.
Pakistan should be allowed to follow either the libiyan model or the iraq model. Irq model is more appropriate as there is arequirement to finish of the jihadi- military combine.

May be it is time for mushy to go, having lost an opportunity for pakistan to progress, if only he had supported the taliban, osma would have been dead, jihadis in heaven, and may be 100,000 pak troops with the indians, the reconstruction like in afghanistan would have been in full swing.

Having lost this rapid mode, now it is a slow grind, like iraq, another 10 years of un-publicised isolation.

#119 gujju bania

India needs to reduce poverty, starvation, begging and prostitution with this Economic Growth rather than buying billion dollars AWACS from Israel. Read this article as a litmus test;

India: Politics of Starvation
By Sudha Ramachandran
Asia Times
November 12, 2002


It was a probe by the People’s Union for Civil Liberties that uncovered the horrifying details of the starvation deaths in the Baran district of Rajasthan. Cultivation has ceased here for the area is reeling under its fifth successive year of acute drought. The local tribals have been reduced to dire poverty. Desperately short of food and driven by hunger, the tribals have turned to eating a wild grass called sama. This grass is hard for humans to digest. As a result, the tribals, especially children, have developed severe digestive ailments, resulting in death.

The starvation deaths in Rajasthan are a replay of a similar tragic story that unfolded in poverty-stricken Kashipur in the eastern state of Orissa last year. There, tribals driven by poverty and unable to buy even the subsidized rice provided through government ration shops were forced to eat fungus-ridden mango kernel.

As the starvation deaths in Kashipur hit the news, the Orissa government claimed that those who died were victims not of starvation but of their tradition of consuming mango kernel and boiled grass even while grain is available. The truth was that the tribals were forced to eat the poisonous kernel for want of an affordable choice.

In Rajasthan, the government is now claiming that the tribals prefer eating wild grass and that the deaths were caused by poor hygiene and disease. Government officials are busy defining starvation to prove that these were not starvation deaths. A starvation death is when there is no food material in the stomach, and government officials shamefully point out that the victims had eaten grass. Whatever the spin, it is hard to deny that the deaths were hunger-related.

The starvation deaths in Kashipur and Baran are just the tip of the iceberg. Hunger is widespread in India. It is said that at least 50 million Indians are on the brink of starvation and over 200 million Indians are underfed.

However, most of India’s poor, such as those who starved to death in Orissa and Rajasthan, cannot afford to buy the grains even at these subsidized rates. Many of them do not possess the Below Poverty Line (BPL) cards that entitle them to purchase at subsidized rates in ration shops. In several cases, the desperately poor have mortgaged their BPL cards to moneylenders or local traders.

Besides, the process of identifying the poor is severely flawed. An article in Outlook magazine points out that in Dharavi, Asia’s largest slum, situated in Mumbai, just 151 families are identified as BPL. Millions of poor across the country are categorized in government records as Above Poverty Line (APL).

``We had asked for special assistance for the drought-hit states, but our pleas went unheeded. We shall now take up the matter in parliament,`` she said, adding that drought was a serious problem that needed the greater attention of the government in New Delhi.

````#107 by M.B.Z.Isphahani on December 28, 2003 2:03pm PT
#81 anew

Bharat with hindi

I could not drive or pay my car toll money in many national high ways .I was
unable to read instruction in hindi( no english anywhere ) .The railway stations
train arrival departure ,platforms ,form filling to buy rail tickets or internal airline
tickets were in hindi only.One security officer insisted that I was from urdu kashmir
state. I spoke to him in hindi .Perhaps my hindi or clothing had more urdu content.

Bhartis , please explain this anti-english phenomenon.If it is a virus will it spread worldwide````

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a) I do not know why you were unable to pay car toll money on many national highways, especially since National Highways, be definition, are toll free. However, if you were on expressways or entering/leaving cities, and required to pay toll, then I can assure you, all signage is in a minimum of three languages, in equal font sizes, English, Hindi and local vernacular. The currency note itself has about 19 languages on it, primarily English & Hindi.

b) All Railway forms are bi-lingual, one side English, the other in Hindi. Or alternate. Or you can go up to the supervisor/automated printer and press the required buttons to get a form in whichever language the schedule recognises at many places. The complete PRS at the IR is in English, and is a world standard benchmark, achieving over 11 million cash trnasactions from over 7000 locations everyday. Even the most illiterate of people seem to be able to use it.

c) To buy an air ticket, domestic, you do not need to fill any forms. Pay your money, take your ticket, and off you go. You may be asked to establish your identity, in which case it is advisable to carry some sort of photo-identity with you.

d) Over the last few years, Kashmiri speaking people of Kashmiri origin are specifically available to assist at most airports and railway stations, where it is felt that Kashmiris may be travelling. I don`t understand about your run-in with a security officer and Kashmir/Urdu.

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Frankly, I think you just imagined it all up.

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#120 by Ras
//...unless India makes some kind of dramatic gesture towards the Kashmiris, Pakistan`s offer will be wasted...//

I don`t think any ``dramatic gesture`` is forth-coming. It seems even pakistan doesn`t expect any.
http://in.rediff.com/news/2003/dec/29pak2.htm
Pak says it will not raise Kashmir at SAARC summit

Any case - No gesture would ever satisfy Jihadis and other assorted terrorists. And clearly - Musharraf is lame duck right now - he can`t enforce anything, he can`t even protect himself.

The war has shifted its focus - its between the Jiahdis and their chief patron. India has nothing to do but wait and watch.

Let us wait to see where we stand after the SAARC summit.

I usually agree with Dr, Hoodbhoy but until and unless India makes

some kind of dramatic gesture towards the Kashmiris, Pakistan`s

offer will be wasted.


Ras

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#114 by gujjubania on December 28, 2003 11:28pm PT
Mullah Anew , in case you didn`t notice , with every passing year India gets stronger economically and hence militarily. With every passing year , the disparity between India and Pakistan on grows , as India has 12-13 times the economy and 3% higher growth rate. Now realistically , what chance does Pak have of competing with `Tyrant` India ? And what chance do the bechare kashmiris have of getting out of the clutches of the Indian Shaitan ?

India has 12-13 time more people sleeping on road-sides. Read history to know the fate of Rich Tyrants. God comes to the rescue of `bechares`. India or Israel may be getting economically stronger but getting morally and ethically bankrupt. How long Hindu fanatics will harass and terrorize the minorities?