My Friend Pervez

wajahat #40 Thanks for your note of support. Actually, if personal insults from the safety of the internet by lowlife like gujjubania bothered me, I would probably have left chowk a long time ago. I did join chowk on the assumption that it was a moderated board where they would enforce their guidelines. CHOWK STAFF has chosen not to do so most of the time (except in case of 12-head), and so I blame them for not doing their job and kicking individuals who violate their guidelines. Actually, if I wanted I could speak gujjubania`s mother tongue (i.e. filth) better than he can, and (given CHOWK STAFF permitting such behavior on a supposedly moderated baord) would be justified in doing so if I wanted to waste my time doing so.

As for ``shamsul``, this man is actually a programmer with WIPRO named Prashant (or so he claims) who also goes by the nick ``gujjubania`` on chowk. As for the mindset his posts reflect, it is interesting to see that what he is doing is trying to give muslims a bad name by posing as a muslim fanatic - the foul mouth comes naturally to him, reflecting the kind of household he grew up in. He seems to have done this not only on chowk but also on other discussion boards on the internet.

Anyway, the hell with this lowlife. Chowk is a great forum for more intelligent discussions, so lets not let lowlife like gujjubania as well as Chowk Staff`s unwillingness to moderate this supposedly moderated board, get in the way. Just ignore this man.

tahmed

This is just to send my regards to you as you have been hounded by a Certain Shamshul who studies religion yet is so fluent with American Street Slang. I guess he is a specimen of a Modernised Extremist :)

Even his messages are hinting to be on the realm of psychotic as he abuses and concludes the peaceful nature of Islam.

To Shamshul

Kid, there are far more learned people here then yourself, and the first set of rules in regards to intelligent discourse you must learn is to be civil and respectful to others whilst never compromising on the rhetorical viewpoints you hold.

I guess this will be followed by a post for me filled of abuse. It will just confirm my views about you.

I am soooo happy that the people of Pakistan has pardoned me. I am ready to pay off the entire national debt from the ``gold dust`` that has settled on my good fortune. Do not worry I will have plenty of kickbacks, I mean your blessings -to keep me alive and my ventures of helping the Islamic cause -THRIVE.
I am not so sure about Ghaddar Pravez Musharraf`s pardon though!. I smell a rat. Now he tells that it is ``conditional``. Don`t you all think he needs to go to Bhawalpur for a short flight in a C-130?

gujjubania alias shamsul #35, #36, #37

Yawn!!

And what else did mata ji teach you?

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gujjubania alias shamsul #33 Seems like I have a camp follower. Ha! Ha!

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sugarbaap

you know we have feelings too.

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urstruly #25 I am sorry to learn of your burn accident. I once burnt my elbow when I was single and learning the ways of the world because that young lady there with me unthinkingly turned the shower on hot - I never realized you could get a blister the size of a tennis ball just from a burst of hot water. So, you have my sympathies, and hope you and hamidm get a chance to exchange notes someday over beer and V-8.

As for your views on hindus, the less said the better.

hamidm #23 you write ``i`d rather make love to a one legged syphillitic whore on a three-legged charpoy while her dog is sniffing at my posterior ................``

very interesting. You must write more about your sexual fantasies.

Why do people make such a song and dance out of their dislike of Hindus? Is this a mating ritual or st ?

#21 mumbaikar

What use is all this unrestrained emotionalism? It should form the basis of the creation of institutions and programs with a long time line. Thinking people need to work through a framework of sharing that respects Pakistani sensitivity to their own special status as a muslim nation ``different`` from indians, the indian need to assert being the big guy in South Asia. There are many ways of satisfying these requirements in an amicable way but specific and concrete proposals are needed; education is needed.

Otherwise, this rona-dhona adds up to ZERO progress and only results in greater cynicism and loss of empowerment.

Hamidm

I am looking forward to our meeting at a pub; Kelsey’s perhaps? But unfortunately time is not right these days. In a recent water-heater repairing accident I set all my facial hair and half of scalp ablaze. I look like a Hindu Pandit –sans war paint – these days and even a wig doesn’t help much. I don’t want to ruin our first rendezvous. In addition, me ordering V-8 tomato juice would be too much, for you to bear in one evening.

Honestly, I still don`t know what is different between now and then. Then I used to say ``I have Hindu friends`` and now I say ``I have friends who happen to be Hindus``. But such indignation tells me that something is wrong. I guess you have to be a Hindu to feel the difference.

urstruly,

.............. i know i will never forgive myself for saying this and i still think you are a flaming mullah and a hypocrite who will end up in guantanamo and you, all by your little self, personify what is wrong with islam and the muslims .................... but i loved your post #12 .............

..........maybe, you can be saved....... when you are ready for the baptism let me know and i will meet you at the local pub ...........after the baptism, we can celebrate your deliverance from the evil god who has tormented you all these years!


p.s. stuka, please don`t say things like this, even in jest ............ just the thought of being associated with the likes of urstruly gives me the heebi-jeebis ............ i`d rather make love to a one legged syphillitic whore on a three-legged charpoy while her dog is sniffing at my posterior ................so, please!

I did not know that ‘dhoti’ could fire such a fireworks… Basant, BeeSaakhi or any other event does not amuse us; we like to find any chance to FIRE…
You wanna shoot? Shoot! Don’t talk!
If its all about personal experiences then Urstruly had one…whats wrong with it?
‘dhoti’ is common in this part of world…then why it’s a match-box for some???
I think I will not go to HELL; I’m already there!

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Ref Urstruly #12

[May be they thought that Hindus were like those Pathans who kidnap little children and then fry them in a pan to prepare `Momiai` which can cure all diseases.]

Well, there goes the Durand Line!

Pardaisi

Mitha Ram Hostel - Pakistan Chowk, my friend.

Urstruly,

did you lived in police quarters near RatanTalao/Saeed Manzil?

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Why do I have a feeling that Urstruly is a fraud??? Post #12 has the humor and irony of a Hamidm post, not a Flamin Mullah. Is it possible that Urs/Hamidm are a Doppelganger?

Dear Hindus

I think your indignation is misplaced. I did have Hindu friends in the past – as a matter of fact I had Hindu class-mates and friends, as early as in Pakistan in engineering school. And I tell ya they were more than acquaintances because I did occasionally let them borrow my motorbike. As you know, one never lends his motorbike to an acquaintance you usually lend it to a friend. I`d let them use my bike despite the fact that I knew very well that they used it to transport hookers and desi liquor while claiming to transport their cousin with a broken leg to Ganesh Maharaj`s aashram at Ratan Talao; but I did let them use my bike because everything is fair between friends. Right?

When I was coming to USA the people from older generation advised me to trust a snake but never a Hindu. I scoffed at their ignorance. My parents got scared when they heard older people advising me to keep Hindus at poles length. May be they thought that Hindus were like those Pathans who kidnap little children and then fry them in a pan to prepare `Momiai` which can cure all diseases. They had no idea that Hindus still lived in Pakistan and I had been chummy with them already. I scoffed at my parents too.

I was going to become a white man soon and I used to scoff at almost everything in those days. I was learning to be as politically correct as possible, just like white man, and I was busy giving my `sorry` and `thank you` a spit shine in those days. I was learning how to hide `tuhaadi bhen nu…..` under a broad smile just like white man in those days.

And then I came to USA, where 90% of brown things are Hindus. I forgot my parent`s and older people`s advices; and I forgot my Mom`s pleading and again became chummy with Hindus. I even became roommate with some of them. Oh heck! With some of them I even went through the ultimate ritual of men`s universal brotherhood i.e. skirt chasing aka bhoondi.

But soon the white man`s political correctness began to fade away just like the color of a cheap made-in-Bangladesh underwear. I just couldn`t put my finger on it but I sensed that there was something wrong with my friends. May be it is my fault that I un-intentionally shifted my focus to darker Africans – Africans who were Muslims but with non-Muslim sounding names. May be it was the conversation with them that I started feeling that Hindus were like those loving and caring wives who poke needles into the voodoo dolls of their husbands while they are asleep; or they were like shias who put a dead man`s used bathing water into the tea of their unsuspecting un-shea guests. They were like Quadianis who….. And then that cow thing. The stench became unbearable. I still cannot stand a moment in a south Indian grocery store. Things are becoming even more complicated everyday. Sometimes I do think that life was quite easy with white man`s PC thing. But I am in a downward spiral – complications are beginning to intrigue me again. I think I will go to hell.

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``....People from both the nations are getting along together and finding that their cultural-historical bonds are stronger than their geographical-political [even religious] divisions. It is this realization of common heritage and similarity that sustains the togetherness. Our friendship is not an isolated case.............``

Despite all this we keep clinging to TNT as if it was part of our faith in Islam.

A very good write-up. Nothing `literature` type--the kind brown-trash is busy churning out in journals in the vain hope that a goraa might notice their pathological germination.

This is on a one-to-one level interaction which the professors (no longer a respectable term) and intellectuals manage in reams of paper-loss . This is fresh and live. Theirs reek of anticeptic, chloroform and formaldehyde. The CHOWK article-morgue and mummy-museums is full of them. Some are still on the autopsy table.

Please write more about such first-hand experiences in first-person. Enough of the `literature` here, the deliberate riddle wrapped in an enigma--the bi-polar wretchedness of the anglicised-writer.

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#1 by Urstruly on February 19, 2004 11:44am PT

Did you have an unfotunate traumatic childhood experience related to a Dhotti?

Regarding the article, its not good, but we have struggled thru many other ``anguish expressing`` articles on the chowk (e.g. there was one by minhas about her anguish with burger class) and expressed sympathy, so we can say that the author is expressing his frustrations. In summary

1) hindoos (indians) are worried about the islamic nukiller bum
2) pakistanis are worried about the hindoo hagemony
3) both are worried about their kids marrying the wrong kind (incl. each others)
4) the author is surprised that parvez has a visa
5) he thinks that phobias are media sustained, hence if denied or ignored will vanish
6) he concludes that non-nris/nrps are deep thinkers and need to be more emotional

Arvind Verma:

A very good reality based article. I had a chance of going through a similar relationship in the late 80s in the USA. We were suitemates and attending same college. No problems ever erupted, except when some of my Pakistani friends visited me from south. Their careless remarks opened a pandora`s box. However, the problems were resolved as soon as my friends left. During our friendship, we were able to appreciate each other`s religion as Great Way of living our individual lives.

But you are right 100%. We were able to continue friendship by not discussing the problems. It may be a hypocritical approach to some like Mahesh G jee (with due respect), but to me that was the most honest way of going about.

At the end of our education, both of us returned to our respective countries, but still are in touch.

Urstruly,

It is less complicated than reading Islamic verses in that frikking madarassa with all gay fundoos. World class perverts!!!

Not a very good article. Both characaters are as much away from reality in Indian subcontinent as they are from their native countries.

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What`s the point of this kind of friendship when you are too scared to discuss the contentious points? This kind of friendship works because desis in foreign land because whether Kashmir gets resolved or not does not affect their day to day life.

I don`t know.

To me friendship with a hindu is a subject as complicated as his dhotti. You seem to have pretty easy ride though.