Musharraf Will Die

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hamidm #73 You can steal whatever story you like. Just dont misquote me or misrepresent what I am saying. Lying and misrepresenting things is your Uncle Jay Thakeray`s department not yours - your job is to by funny.

ahmedzai: Here is something from cnn that might interest you ``Negotiations with the Ahmed Zai tribe are expected to begin once the loya jirga concludes, and are expected to end Monday, the sources said.``

These negotiations are with the pakistan government and relate to handing over of the remaining middle eastern and central asia thugs who came over to Pakistan. Looks like 100 chechen/uzbeks already surrendered. And they may find some big fish among them (including even zawahiri). Since this seems to be your tribe that the government is negotiating with, i wonder if you have any additional light you wish to shed on this question.

Interestingly, these chechen types (who were clearly abusing the fine traditions of hospitality of pakistanis - and in particular of the pathan tribes in the tribal belt) dont seem to be all that smart: they massed into a large group of 400, thus simpligying the task of the Pakistan army (although they initially kill 34 of our men).

Harimau at # 61:

Although you challenged me on few issues regarding Malaysia, on communist advances in that country, I would encourage all chowkies to read this paper, which supports my submission of the earlier post. Most of the other issues raised by you are subjective and different people will have different viewpoint, except for economic and social indicators of IMF`s Malaysia Desk that prove that its performance has been awesome.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1997/Jambi.htm

Title of the paper: The Failure of Communist Ideology (Malaysia)

Some excerpts:

Excerpt 1:
``Background:
A multi racial country such as Malaysia is fragile and is built along a racial lower class and ethnic lines. The incident of May 13, 1969 is a good example of this. This is when the communists indoctrinated the people at all levels -- government officials, trade unionists, the armed forces, police ,and middle classes -- with communist ideology. Their second goal was to cripple the government and create instability within the politic and in the economy by using the categories of people mentioned above to take advantage of the instability in order to overthrow the government of Malaysia``

Excerpt 2:

``Internally, Malaysia experienced an outbreak of racial problems with the first Communist Insurgency and communist resurgence beginning in 1969. Domestic reconciliation was the priority at that moment. Nevertheless, external defense remained paramount. In early 1970, the First Prime Minister Tunku Abdul Rahman accepted limited defense ties with Great Britain, Australia , New Zealand and Singapore through the Five Power Defense Agreement (FPDA). It was signed in 1971,[7] and was designed to repel communist advances coming from the Indochina.``

I hope this settles the matter of communism in Malaysia.

71 posts!! man u must`ve done something right! but i agree that though musharraf`s days might be numbered even if he dies not much is going to change `partial law or martial law we will never reform` the next president will continue to take his orders from an imbecile in the white house who takes his orders from his team of advisors ( a man who can`t form a coherent sentence can`t be planning all this on his own) and Bin ladin will continue to be elusive. and his followers will continue to give thier lives for a misconception they consider Islam

tahmed,

....... i was hoping you wouldn`t find my edit and the subsequent ``misquote``!........you still don`t get it, do you?..........you are beginning to sound like john shooter, ``you stole my story!`` ....(secret window)

Pakistan will continue to be ruled by the Army, whether Musharraf dies or not..nothing will change..nothing has changed since they first came in power. END OF STORY.

Cynics, Biases and Psuedos aside I agree with what Romair and Ahmadzai say.
Bravo!!!
Cherios

``On Saturday, local residents said a helicopter gunship killed 12 civilians, including 4 women and 6 children, as they tried to drive out of the area. Military officials said the civilians were mistaken for militants`` - from NY Times

General Whore is using gunship helicopters against his own people. When (not if) this whore is brought to trial, God willing his sentence would be death by firing from gunship helicopters. In the 21st century, we Pakistanis cannot be subjected to a 1970s style dictatorship. This whore of the west might claim that he has done a lot of good for Pakistan. That is debatable. What is not debatable is this unpardonable crime of using artillary and gunships against his own civilian population.

However, the rulers come from people, regardless of whether they are elected or imposed. And the people of Pakistan at this moment could care less about the brutality in action in NWFP. The only action for them that matters is the one in Qaddafi stadium.

It is not entirely inconcievable that one day this General will use gunships in Lahore to put down protests. Maybe that will get our attention.

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hamidm #60 This is what I had written: ``The fact is that the forces of history carry much more weight than individual personalities.``

And this is how you presented it: ``for once tahmed is right ...``The fact is that the armed of pakistan carry much more weight than individual personalities``............. ``

This tells me you took the trouble of editing what I wrote to make it seem absurd, since you obviously could find nothing wrong in what I wrote. So you made up something absurd, like I said.

And now I quote from Sherlock:

You may then rightly wonder, Dr. Watson, on what caused Dr. Hamidm to spend his precious time editing the kindly gentleman tahmed`s views. In other words, what was the motive for this deed. Elementary, Dr. Watson. Dr. Hamidm was royally pissed. Because tahmed had been pointing to similarities between Dr. Hamidm and his arch-nemesis, Dr. Moriarity alias Urstruly Detriotwallah!! He had indicated how these two geniuses had fled their land, and sat in foreign countries wishing (for their own different reasons, hamidm for ridicule and urstruly for armchair martyrdom) continued strife and continued misery for their less fortunate compatriots. Hamidm did not like that. He thought he was better than urstruly. And so he pulled this editing job.

No one knows the evil that lurks in the minds of men (particularly these two, hamidm and urstruly). Only tahmed knows....ha! ha! ha!``

End of quote.

As for this intellectual honesty that you talk about: The day you are able to cut and paste what I wrote and then criticize what I have written (rather than stuff you made up and attributed to me, as per above) that day you can come and talk to me about intellectual honesty.

it is all a question of identity,

There are a lot of pakis who hope for mushy to metamorph into a mahatir, or at least some one who will have a vision for pakistan. The fact is that no pakistani has a vision. The most glaring example is the likes of ylh talking abvou the vision of jinnah. The man died more than 50 years ago, they talk of a dead mans vision. The fact is that pakistan was founded on a noxious idea of TNT and brought to reality by the colonial mind of didvide and rule.

There are no freedom fighters in pakistan, no one who occupies that land ever wanted it. hence the mohajirs, the onels who came looking for the assets left by the hindus have come to rule the country, they form the ekites of pak army, mushy being the most spectacular example of the mindset of this carpet baggers.
He created kargill invasion so that the armies position id secure. Now he is bombing the pakis in the birder, his own partbers in kargill invasion, so that he can get the money from the yanks.
There is no hope for pakistan till some one sorts out the pak identity question, or at least erase th epast, consign the TNT creator to his legitimate place in history, never again talk of his vision.
It is time that pakis talk of the vision of its own people, their dream of peace and prosperity, rather than the vision of one dead man. Replace it with the vision of millions.

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