Beena Sarwar April 18, 2004
#8 Posted by malik99 on April 19, 2004 7:48:15 am
NHK # 4 - You wrote ``The Tataris managed to ransack Baghdad because the Muslims were too busy with their holy books and resolving their religious issues. ``
NHK - you should stick to commenting on topics you ACTUALLY know about. It is the illiterate `educated` people like you who need to be reformed before you go about `reforming` the rest of the population. This is the most stupidest, dumbest, baseless, and corrupt explanation of the sacking of Baghdad I have ever heard. Instead of wasting your time oozing out these absurdities, why don`t you spend some time surfing internet and finding about the history of mongols. tartars, baghdad ect. It will give you a proper context of history before you make a fool of yourself.
Zain Malik
NHK - you should stick to commenting on topics you ACTUALLY know about. It is the illiterate `educated` people like you who need to be reformed before you go about `reforming` the rest of the population. This is the most stupidest, dumbest, baseless, and corrupt explanation of the sacking of Baghdad I have ever heard. Instead of wasting your time oozing out these absurdities, why don`t you spend some time surfing internet and finding about the history of mongols. tartars, baghdad ect. It will give you a proper context of history before you make a fool of yourself.
Zain Malik
#7 Posted by homo_absurdus on April 19, 2004 7:48:14 am
It`s a good and timely article by Beena Sarwar. I am serving as a lecturer in Englsih at one of Islamabad`s Model colleges where we teach classes from 6 to 12. One issue that`s being left out is that last year Federal Board introduced Punjab Text Book Board`s books for class 9 and this year for class 10. Previously we had interactive books on English Published by some private publisher. The books from Punjab Text Book Board are cheap and rubbish. Their bad quality is simply mind-boggling. It seems as if somebody has translated articles from Urdu or something. The whole book can be easily finished within one month. Model Colleges have Oxford Guided English for Pakistan Series from Class 6 to 8. Now our studnets in class 9 and 10 who have studied much more difficult Oxford Series books in their junior classes laugh at the books and teachers. We Englsih tecahers feel ashamed at these books. May God save us from curriculum wing.
#6 Posted by homo_absurdus on April 19, 2004 7:48:14 am
Ideologies are enemies of truth. Any curriculum based on ideology is only a pack of lies.
#5 Posted by rozaiba on April 19, 2004 1:08:21 am
good observations of insecurities nazarhayatkhan.
a friend had asked for a book recommendation. i was telling him about naguib mahfouz- known as the greatest arabic novel writer and nobel prize winner, and began to state a bit of the author`s history and that his throat was slit by fundos. when asked why, i told him the author had written a book `children of gebalawi` in which after going through fictional tales of adam, moses, jesus and mohammed, the author concluded with a final fictional tale depicting `science` as the new religion and indirectly revealed the `murder of god`. the friend was immediately turned off and refused to read anything by the author. i know, my mistake. anyhow, i could find most all Mahfouz books in Pakistan except `children of gebalawi`.
a friend had asked for a book recommendation. i was telling him about naguib mahfouz- known as the greatest arabic novel writer and nobel prize winner, and began to state a bit of the author`s history and that his throat was slit by fundos. when asked why, i told him the author had written a book `children of gebalawi` in which after going through fictional tales of adam, moses, jesus and mohammed, the author concluded with a final fictional tale depicting `science` as the new religion and indirectly revealed the `murder of god`. the friend was immediately turned off and refused to read anything by the author. i know, my mistake. anyhow, i could find most all Mahfouz books in Pakistan except `children of gebalawi`.
#4 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on April 19, 2004 12:02:34 am
Some objections by Mullas on the curriculum:
Why on one page there is talk about Prophet; and on the next page the story about `Daboo`- the dog?
Why Hazrat Aisha is called first lady?
Why there is a love story in Class 8 book?
Why Condaliza Rice spoke to Pakistani education Minister Zubaida Jalal on Education Curricula?
Why Pakistan ideology? and Islamic Ideology? is not there in books of every subject?
What is the use of giving the history of Mohenjo Daro. It should be only Islamic history?
The TV Panel Discussions have three types of panalists:
The Liberals on the TV discussions sound meek, apologetic and do not call a spade a spade except some like Hamida Khuro.
The confused semi-liberals like the Muslim Leaguers give wishy washy excuses as if trying hard not to sound unislamic.
The bearded Mullas or the Hijabans on the Panel keep confidently thrusting out their illogical arguements. While they denounce the BJP for doing this in India, they confidently keep pleading to do the same here.
Overall, the end affect on the audience is benign, I think, - and audience gets up with the impression that the Mullas are taking it a bit too far and they could at times be quite stupid.
#3 Posted by ballukhan on April 18, 2004 9:34:23 pm
``....When Tatari conquered Iraq they burned all the libraries and books ..does anyone think WHY?? ............``
Could you please enlighten us with the answer to this WHY?
Could you please enlighten us with the answer to this WHY?
#2 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on April 18, 2004 8:45:18 pm
humairshah # 1
(We need well educated people with the know of our Ideology)
There is no consensus as to our Ideology - MMA`s & PPP`s points of views differ.
(When Tatari conquered Iraq they burned all the libraries and books ..does anyone think WHY??)
The Tataris managed to ransack Baghdad because the Muslims were too busy with their holy books and resolving their religious issues.
#1 Posted by humairshah on April 18, 2004 5:50:17 pm
trhis is all rubbish
there is no text book better than Quran, and we should learn and understand what It is saying to us, and try to evolve science using Quran, our ancestors did, why cant we,
All the great muslim scholars and scientist of Islam were scholars of Quran too, they did invent and evolve science, no body called them mullah,
Till now mullaism is being taught to us thats why we know there is some specie as mullah, but Quran does not tell us that, Quran is to read by every person, not jut by mullahs,
We need well educated people with the know of our Ideology to write textbooks for us, else these books will create another generation who will be GHULAM of angraiz, thats what they want.
When Tatari conquered Iraq they burned all the libraries and books ..does anyone think WHY??
there is no text book better than Quran, and we should learn and understand what It is saying to us, and try to evolve science using Quran, our ancestors did, why cant we,
All the great muslim scholars and scientist of Islam were scholars of Quran too, they did invent and evolve science, no body called them mullah,
Till now mullaism is being taught to us thats why we know there is some specie as mullah, but Quran does not tell us that, Quran is to read by every person, not jut by mullahs,
We need well educated people with the know of our Ideology to write textbooks for us, else these books will create another generation who will be GHULAM of angraiz, thats what they want.
When Tatari conquered Iraq they burned all the libraries and books ..does anyone think WHY??
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