Train to Pakistan 2004: The Journey Outbound

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#46 by khamkhwa. on May 2, 2004 8:51pm PT
My tailor master has been asking me the same question since ages - I need to upgrade my wardrobe with the latest embroidered ones.

ballukhan...did you get your sherwani stitched....?

#41 by bongdongs on April 30, 2004 10:51am PT

Very accurate!!

I remember talking to a senior official and in his opinion preparing an anti-PAkistan suicide brigade is the easiest thing to do- but India has desisted from giving the Paki Army in the same coin because they know that one day the lid would be off and India`s image would get a bad dent -and this is precisely what is hapenning with PAki Army- in order to survive it has to be the latest pleasure toy of America .

re:#18 by gujjubania
Hey Gujjubania,
Can u give us some statistics of how many Indians in India have potable drinking water, access to toilet facilities? How many in India are homeless? How many are defaecating and urinating in the open? My guess is: the numbers are very high and many times the number of people watching cable T.V.
Let us have our feet firmly rooted to the ground. India is still a dirt poor country and has a long way to go. We can all do our little bit to help the poor people of India rather than gloating over the number of cable T.V which really does not indicate anything.
Sridhar

#41 by bongdongs

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The so called elite on this site is upset that Pakistan being declared as a terrorist state will upset the applecart with respect to their immigration/visa`s, world opinion etc. There is no genuine introspection on what has caused this, the best they can come up with is to blame the BJP.


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bang on target...bingo.!

#38
`` We have to use similar weapons (supporting insurgency / unrest) to fight them back, not fight a conventional or nuclear war.``

Since the mid-80`s India has conciously given up striking back in this fashion. The LTTE and Shanti Bahini are probably the last insurgent forces we supported. Partly the rethink has been because of the LTTE blowback (I think). Hence we have absorbed the whole Kashmir millitancy and tried to fight by containing on our territory and by lobbying world opinion.

This rethink has been across the board not just related to Pakistan. A good example is the Khaleda Zia goverment in Bangladesh where they have actively supported ULFA and Tripura insurgent groups. Note the recent massive arms haul in Chittagong. We could have chosen to rectivate the Shanti Bahini but have not done so. Even in the BSF/BD Rifles clash over Padua we chose to stand down (yes, admittedly after an ill advised and planned attempt by BSF to try to strike back).

The Pakistani`s upset at the truth-mongering at this site do not understand the depths of anger their unlimited terrorism has caused in India. The so called elite on this site is upset that Pakistan being declared as a terrorist state will upset the applecart with respect to their immigration/visa`s, world opinion etc. There is no genuine introspection on what has caused this, the best they can come up with is to blame the BJP.

This anger againt Pakistan is among a new generation of Indian`s who dont know/care about partition, Bangladesh or anything like that. If we undertook similar operations against Pakistan we would have aroused the same anger in Pakistan and collectively we would be standing on the edge of the precipice today. That the ordinary Pakistani doesnt seem to have an overly hostile view of India/Indian`s inspite of all the propaganda he/she is fed, is a measure of success of this policy. This enables us to (hopefully) reach some kind of lasting peace.

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jay #35 you write ``Tahmed, you do support the notion of kafir, you do support the notion of jihad, you do believe that there is a reserved palce in heaven for jihadis. ``

Take my advice and see a psychiatrist. Seriously.

(This by the way is the 7th time you have repeateed this point: and just for the record for the 7th time I am telling you that you are a proven and habitual liar. And if you wish to prove otherwise, you should go an cut and paste from any of the thousands of my posts on chowk that support your claim).

[My standard of living for instance (as a middle class Indian in B`lore) probably comes closer to some one in US rather than one in Bihar or Bangladesh.]

...Bihar no more in India??...

gujjubania:
``How far India has come can be understood by this statistic - 270 million homes (or about 700-800 million people)in India have access to cable tv. People who can afford to have cable connection don`t usually have to worry about food ,clothing ,shelter etc.``
I would seriously doubt this statement. It implies that 70-80% of our population has access to electricity and can also pay for cable TV. At least 40% of our people live on less than $1 a day - I dont see them paying for cable. It probably is actually 270 million PEOPLE who have access to cable.

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gujjubania:
``As the economic gulf between India and Pakistan widens (Indian economy already 10-11 times size of Pakistan`s economy , and grows at 3-4% higher rate) , it will become increasingly impossible for Pakistan to compete with India militarily . That is the day , Pakistan will back-off from this confrontation with India , and we will have peace in the subcontinent. ``
Aha, the bania way of winning a war - dont fight, just grow the economy and you will ``beat`` the enemy. Unfortunately you assume the enemy is rational or is scared by your size. The US is the largest economy in the world and growing at around 4% a year. This does not scare Al Qaeda from taking it on. India is already 4 to 7 times larger than Pakistan (by land size, population/economy) but it has not scared Pakistan away from terrorism. Even if we become fifteen times the size of Pak economy, I dont see them backing off for that factor alone. In fact we would present more targets for them to hit.
Pakistan is not going to fight a military war against India - it is only going to fight through jihadis, supporting insurgency and terrorism, with nuclear weapons guaranteeing that we cannot hit back against them. We have to use similar weapons (supporting insurgency / unrest) to fight them back, not fight a conventional or nuclear war.

tahmed #32,

This is the kind of trash that the jihadis thrive on. All of the wana prisoners have been released into the society. These men who spent their life in fighting and killing of course have joined the order of mother theresa. Give us a break, you are fooling no one. We all know that laskers have been banned, they are back again in another name.
What is troubling is people like you, they do not accept the reality of pakistan, notion of kafirs and weapons training to kill them can be practiced unfettered in pakistan. No amount of banning laskers, no amount of arrest and release of jihadis will alter anything. Most likely the wana jihadis have movede to kashmir.
It is posts like this that make you a jihadi supporter, you are trying to create a smoke screen to save the jihadis from daisy cutters. Tahmed, you do support the notion of kafir, you do support the notion of jihad, you do believe that there is a reserved palce in heaven for jihadis.
No one, even the Osama does not identify himself as a jihadi, and your repeated posts for me to produce a cut and paste that you have identified yousekf as a jihadi is infantile in logic, and insane at worst

Folks this is surely a rather good railway article.

I printed the article to read and really disturbed the folks in neighboring stalls concentrating on their bowel-movements laughing out loud.

I could feel the heat and the flies and remebmbered Jhansi Junction in April.
The Poori-Bhaji and Kulhad Chai, and flies, and offcourse the Gold Spot in Thumbs-Up bottles, large gulab-jamun at Orai. Indian Railways must have improved if potty could be atttempted at the platform ``mardana`` place. And what is this about shiv-shambhu and mellowing..kindly explain in case we get wrong ideas.

veeresh #26 Pakistanis as well as foreigners in Pakistan have been the target of these jehadi groups for a few years now. So, it would be surprising if what you are saying did not come true. These jehadis will keep up their violence for some time, but hopefully will gradually be stamped out through operations like the one at Wana.