Trade, can it Herald Peace?

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ranajee...sour grapes...if you think there far better markets for you other than indian then why are u engaging in this discussion.typical paki bragadaccio, eh?.truth is no one wants to trade with your country nor even knows it exists.if they do bother to know thy`ll find out it is one big terrorist training camp and shudder and keep away,like they are anyways.``shining india`` was a bit of a stretch, but don`t ever underestimate us indians regardless of race or religion.when the going gets tough we get going.and don`t underestimate our new PM either.If she can give an old lion like vajpayee a drubbing then watch out.it was the congress govt. that initiated reforms and they will continue.Distribution of wealth my ass....how about all those beggars,women included(disgrace) that accost you when you exit Lahore`s railway station...how about all those oily, fat pak-punjabi matrons being driven around in american money paid-for used high-end cars sharing their ill-gotten gains with urchins that play in the wretched open-drainage filled, dusty streets of your country?.Please grow up and face the facts.YOU AND YOUR COUNTRY ARE IRRELEVANT AND SOON WILL BE EXTINCT.

#98 Veeresh Ji aka Ultra Patriot, you did not response to my post #66. If you have to response, response completely. No runaway.

#105 by ballukhan ``you run to those countries where you can fleece the poor in the most effective way``.

ballukhan it looks you know nothing about business, go and first learn some business basics. Fruits are daily sold in Market through auction. Only best quality fruits can earn us best price. Fruit is a product which we can not stock for long and can not force the Consumer to pay high price.

#109 by jang Imported fruits from New Zeland, S America etc? please give me some Brand Names? Some times when our fruits are on their way to Tashkand, due to some problems we are forced to sell them in Kabul - Mazar-e-Sharif on through away prices. But it does not mean that our destination market was Kabul or Afghanis start claiming they have imported fruits.

#112 by niranjan, Feel Good - India Shinning, hahaha, all this crap is exposed in these elections. Look what happened to Mr.Naidu.

This is not just the size of the economy it is the division of the wealth which matters more.

#111 by arjun_m I revealed my own experience and the facts and if facts show your face ugly, it is not my fault or fault of ``indoctrination by the Pakistani establishment`` or ``Pakistani Education System``. I gave facts and, if you can; prove them false.

The point was ``India is not the Ideal Market for my products and I have better markets than India, we are not dying to do business with India, ok``

Veeresh ji, Regarding Chinese Pears, yes we do import as they are not available locally. We also import Black Grapes especially during holy month of Ramazan via Sost-China border and what is wrong in this?

Indian made components in Pakistani vehicles? Though Mr.Omar has comprehensively proved your claim false, yet there is nothing wrong if Indian made components are being used in these vehicles and for the time being we should purchase them directly as Pakistan Automobile Vendor industry has just now strengthened and gradually it will go for 100% indigenization.

But if you think or insist that Pakistan should open its market for Final Stage Indian Products like Cars, Buses, Cloths, Packed Tea etc. etc., sorry it should not. Yes there can be joint ventures to establish industries in Pakistan but no readymade product from India.

Arjun_M

Please read my post again. That was a cut and paste job. I said it on very top of the post. The comments were not mine. The author`s name is on the very bottom of the list.

I am niether endorsing nor rejecting the comments by the author. I posted it because I thought there was some relevency on the topic.

Your comment:

``Third, as epitomized by Urstruly, Afsand, Romair and Ahmadzai, there is infinite emotional hatred against India. Better to be poor than to trade with India. Better to pay out more to Muslim countries and to China than buy from India.``

You got me all wrong. I said quite the contrary. Please read my earlier posts. Pakistanis are already using Indian products like TV programs, Movies, Paan, and Paan masala etc. So if more Indian products come to Pakistan as cheaper alternative the Pakistanis WILL DEFINATELY buy them.

There is no ``infinite emotional hatred against India`` thing anymore. The recent cricket matches between Inida and Pakistan shows that. Please read articles by Vir Sanghvi and other Indian journalists on hindustantimes.com and timesofindia.com.

Indian products will be welcome if they are cheaper and better quality.

to all....i`m quoting CNN from an article on the indian economy dated april 21, 2004.....

`India ranks as the world`s 12th largest economy--and the third largest in Asia,behind Japan and China, with a total GDP of USD560.00 billion.Agriculture accounts for about one quarter of that figure``

Why are we indians even engaging in an economic discussion with residents/nationals of a failed feudal dictatorship that has no GDP,no stock exchange(i have known more godowns in india bigger than the PSE building) worth a piss.I MEAN, WHY???.And some of them have the balls to pontificate to us about the indian economy!!!!!.Yes,india has problems( who doesn`t), but look who`s throwing stones.And, to ranajee, all ye got to export from your country is fruit,the edible and the two-legged ones.Oy ve, try getting those Central Asians to pay up when you send them your invoice.Phew..they`ll chew the invoice and screw the two legged ones ye send them.

Its` time India did a bangladesh on the western front and put an end to this nonsense.Chowk is a great site though.The exception always proves the rule.

to all pakistani participants...methinks you guys don`t realize how big and diverse india is.so here is a brief intro to india from the encyclopedia dictionary....

The Republic of India, located in south asia and comprising most of the indian sub-continent,and islands in the indian ocean, is the second most populous country in the world and is the world`s largest democracy, with over one billion people speaking more than one hundred distinct languages.The indian economy is the fourth largest in the world, in terms of purchasing power parity.India borders Bangladesh, Myanmar, China,Bhutan ,Nepal and Pakistan, with SriLanka and Maldives just across the indian mainland in the indian ocean...

This is in addition to my earlier post.Pakistan`s GDP last year was USD54.00 billion.psftt.What a waste of time for any indian to engage in any discussion on trade with pakistan!!!!!!.Politics, religion, entertainment etc.yes.Definitely not trade.Hey, i like your arrogance though.It knows no end.keep it up.

dost-mittar #107
``The dark cloud is the insistence of the communists on putting a brake on the disinvestment process. There, I think that the threat is real!``

Very much so.

This comment might be premature, but it will be a big relief to revert to being just an Indian and nothing else, after this past wearisome period of one`s religious identity being considered foremost in every issue, whether primary education or the economy or law and order (TNT-style as ballukhan points out).

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Ref dost-mittar #107

[As far as I know, Sonia gets her economic advice from Manmohan Singh and Jairam Ramesh and they are both quite sensible guys.]

Jairam Ramesh is an idiot. Let us not confuse being articulate with being intelligent. Just because that man used to be on ``The Big Fight`` on TV and used to write a column in ``India Today`` that doesn`t make him anything less than the idiot that he is. He is just facile with words and quick to come up with irrelevant statements to confuse others.

[The dark cloud is the insistence of the communists on putting a brake on the disinvestment process. There, I think that the threat is real!]

India`s total external trade is 1% of the world`s. We can see that going down to zero!

What a pathetic bunch of losers!

There are three issues here. First, Pakistanis are showing the genuine fears that many Indians shared pre-liberalization. And some Indians continue to share. This is a human response - fear of the bigger. Fear of being run over.

Second, opening up to India will be the last blow, the death blow to all that the authorities in Pakistan have worked hard to construct - a make-believe world of wishful geography and falsified history. Their very basis of power, the justification for their existence in the minds of ordinary Pakistanis, will come crashing down. You don`t expect the Pakistani establishment and their progeny to let that happen, if they can prevent it, do you?

Third, as epitomized by Urstruly, Afsand, Romair and Ahmadzai, there is infinite emotional hatred against India. Better to be poor than to trade with India. Better to pay out more to Muslim countries and to China than buy from India.

These are very very strong motives. Many people in Pakistan realize the truth obvious to many Indians now in the post-liberalization period - trade between two countries, between India and Pakistan can be good for both countries. But the roadblocks to that happening are so strong that Indians shouldn`t waste their time trying to convince Pakistanis in power (ordinary Pakistanis are already convinced). Ladies and gentlemen, it is not worth it. Pakistanis in power will trade with you when they are intellectually and emotionally ready or when Pakistani people have won back the freedom they lost when Jinnah died.

RanaJee

Mumbai street markets are full of fruits from New Zeland, S America and China. Yes with the ``Dole`` lable on each apple. So your fruits will be welcome if they are as competative as those from New Zeland.

And YKK zippers (from singapore) were always imported as long as i can remember.

sadna:
Only time will tell what is going to happen. I would like to think (hope!) that after the initial excitement is over, the usual good sense will prevail over those entrusted with the responsibility of governance. To the extent that the NDA govt. gave the perception of a govt. of the rich - I think that they actually did more for the poor than the earlier govts- the new govt. would do well to correct that perception. But I think that Manmohan Singh or Chidambram will continue the policies that they followed when they held the finance ministry earlier. As far as I know, Sonia gets her economic advice from Manmohan Singh and Jairam Ramesh and they are both quite sensible guys.
The dark cloud is the insistence of the communists on putting a brake on the disinvestment process. There, I think that the threat is real!

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#103 by RanaJee on May 13, 2004 10:32pm PT

Forget this subsisidy excuse- you guys are used to huge margins in trade- you cannot compete in India- that is why you run to those countries where you can fleece the poor in the most effective way.

Losers!!!