More Outraged By the Outrage

We can wax eloquent about it ,write articles or try to explain the actions of one party or another. One thing which is obvious and cannot be more obvious is that this is a slugfest of hatred. And that is the only explanation.Never before has the lines between ``us`` and ``them`` so clearly drawn.And this will go on unless.......No kidding,There is no unless. This will go on.Raising voices or keeping quiet aint gonna make any difference.The verdict is out.We are more capable of hatred than of any other emotion.

Questions have been raised if Donald Rumsfeld should resign voluntarily or else be fired by the President. Neither of this is on the horizon yet.

Why the poor Rumsy has to resign ??? Why would Bush fire him?? What has he done?? His only fault is to send his troops to Iraq believing that this will prove better for the humanity on the whole???

Take my words .... this is not scandle....you people are making it scandle. I know this is case of `injury without damage` (Ashbey vs. White 1703) but remember during war it a luck to have injurian sine damnum rather than whole damage and injury. People die in war ... you should be thank full that they didnt killed those Iraqi prisoners. These people are still safe. I can assure you that if Iraqi rebels would have won the war they would have cut throats of American and British Soldiers. Atleast they were little human to have some fun and give them mental torture.

Why cant we see things practically .... why is there a utopia in mind of eveyone of you on which you judge espeicially Amercia. If Saddam`s soldiers can kill and butcher their own people, if Saddam`s soldiers can plot massive acts of terror, if Saddam`s soldiers can gas alive Shias, if Saddam can bomb Kurds....doesnt American soldiers have right to JUST ``THREAT`` THEM WITH ELECTROCUTION?

Forget Vienna Conventions and Geneva conventions....talk about reality .... talk what happens in the world. Dont tell people what should happen and what treatments are necesasary. Trace out history of wars of the world and tell me in which war the subjects were pamperd with courtesans on silk feathery beds with wines? Talk practical stuff ... not something which was never done in histroy.

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kaurasach # 3 - There is no conflict between the two ``ideologies`` [islam, west] that you mentioned. This percieved conflict is a wishful thinking on the part of war mongers only (on both sides).

As for your point that ``Bush underestimated the response of the Islamic extremists and their far spread web of terror`` - this is quite funny. First of all the people who are fighting back against occupation are doing so to gain their freedom. Hence, they cannot be termed ``islamic extremists``. They could very well have been swiss, or french. Secondly, no Iraqi in history ever crossed the atlantic to attack US. Its the US that went there to kill Iraqis against all laws, against all reason, and without any legal or moral justification. So your associating the term ``terror`` for iraqis only shows your feeble grasp of the reality. I am sure if your mother was being strip searched on a check point in your home country, you will know exactly what I mean. You will fight back too. Trust me you will.

Then you say that this war ``is a stupid mistake because it was ill planned and poorly executed.`` No sir, this is an illegal war, an immoral war, an evil war - regardless of its planning and execution. And its not the low level soldiers who should be reprimanded for the rapes of Iraqi prisoners. Its should be the high level people who raped a country, raped the humanity of its dignity, raped UN, raped the standing of US in the world, with complete disregard of human suffering for american soldiers and iraqi people who should be brought to justice.

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Salaam Alaikum!

As a Muslim with a heavy, heavy heart, I am outraged and disgusted at the enormity of such barbarous acts. Action needs to be carried out on the perpetrators and questions need thorough explanation. Although I am broken hearted at the sightings of what the American soldiers have done, I must express my dismay at much of the Arab/Muslim world. Most of the Arab regimes cozy up with this vile and nefarious assiduity and make no effort whatsoever to halt it. Muslims in general, Arab nations in particular must not only condemn future pornography of this nature but also make an unrelenting effort to end such in our ``Dar-al-Islam/ Dar-al-Araby``. To pretend this is only an ``American`` problem is to willfully ignore the obvious and to forever bury one`s head in the sands of Iraq.

-Hakim

TODAY -- India is INDEED Shining -- in Rainbow Colors -- NOT in Jaudiced/Saffron crap....

bongdongs its already been answered in previous posts -- in case you didnt realize i am not dawn`s official spokesman on this site, though the queries i have had to answer in the past might suggest that

re: #2 by malyck

You are basically saying that we should judge American actions outside the context of Geneva convention... judge these actions against the standards set by Saddam Hussain.

But Saddam Hussain had no standards. He was a dictator who gassed his own people and amassed billions of $$ from Iraq`s oil. On the other hand, America claims to be a liberator and a champion of human rights, liberty, and human dignity.

This is a question of moral equivalency. These pictures have demonstrated that American forces only display civilized behavior when the camera lights are on. When journalists and cameramen are not watching, these forces are no more civilized than any African militia. These photos are a public relations disaster for America. Now the Americans need to change tack and adopt a softer, velvet touch approach toward Iraq in particular and the Muslim world in general... instead of the angry approach that has backfired since 9/11.

Bun chalay Sri Vajpayee.....Modi jaisa Bhai...

.....time for the Ring Master to retire to Modi Nagar...the Resting Place for Masked Politicians.......and give some araam -- to those TWo weak Knees of his -- after riding TWO Horses simultaneously ......in the Hindutva Circus....for full four years...

what a great country India really is -- and what a smart alek the rural electorate...really is....bravo.....

....we did not fight the British Dogs -- and wrest the country from their Colonial Canine Teeth -- to give it to the Hindutva Vultures.....

.........this is called Democracy with a capital D...

Now it`s time for regime change in Pakistan as well.....time.....Musharraf started packing -- and head....either for the Barrack.......or for the dock ...

``More Outraged By the Outrage``

This is such an appropriate title. Yesterday, while driving to New Jersey from Boston, the radio dial ``seeked`` at a station that was playing the audio of murder of Nicholas Berg. After listening to this 30 second audio I was sickened and shocked. The mixed chants of ``Allah O Akbar`` and ``screams`` of Nicholas Berg being halaled (could they not have finished the murder with one hard blow) were simply too much. I wondered if it is about ``religion v religion``, ``clash of civilization`` or it truly is clash of civility and savagry. I see reems of comments and strategic redunancy being expressed by muslim intellectuals, however, their silence is deafening. One American muslim called into this radio station, and said that he had seen the web-site and after wards he could not do the work for the entire day.

Why no outrage at the web-site which put such an example of human savagry on Internet, and calling itself Islamic web-site? It is clear that what many christians did against the slavery. I would like to know what would muslims do against such savagry being committed with ``Allah o Akbar`` chants, and posted on Islamic web-site.

Does defeaning silence of muslims here indicates the gulf between savagry and civility? Human Civilization (Islamic, or Christian) have always prevailed and will always prevail over such savagry.

Can reems of strategic redunancy or Limbaugh analysis can contain the momentum of human civilization to stop savagry? Can we not say that a non-violent prophet is badly needed rather than born agains?

Anil Kapuria

Here is Berg`s FATHER speaking like a true American Father about his True American son:

Berg died for Bush, Rumsfeld `sins` - father

By Jon Hurdle

PHILADELPHIA, May 13 (Reuters) - The father of Nick Berg, the American beheaded in Iraq, directly blamed U.S. President George W. Bush and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Thursday for his son`s death.

``My son died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. This administration did this,`` Berg said in an interview with radio station KYW-AM two days after a video showing the execution of his son was shown on an Islamist Web site.

In the interview from outside his home in West Chester, Pennsylvania, a seething Michael Berg also said his 26-year-old son, a civilian contractor, probably would have felt positive, even about his executioners, until the last minute.

``I am sure that he only saw the good in his captors until the last second of his life,`` Berg said. ``They did not know what they were doing. They killed their best friend.``

``The Bush hawks, so fixated on making the Middle East look more like America, have made America look un-American. (Maureen Dowd, Op-Ed, The New York Times, May 13, 2004) ``

a better way to say the same may be:

The Bush hawks, so fixated on making the Middle East look more like America, have made America look more like the Middle East.....in Iraq.

````I think the people of the United States of America need to know what the fate of their sons and daughters might be in the hands of the Bush administration.``
(Michael Berg)

Is it just me, or does any one else also feel that a key piece of information is missing from the Berg`s execution details.

The purported website which showed the execution of Berg is termed as a ``clearing house`` of al-qaeda terrorists by US government. Apparently it has also posted threats of terrorism in the past as well. Now my questions simply are these:

- who is making the monthly / yearly payment for the domain name of this website?
- where is the domain name registered? Apparently the body that registers ALL domain names in the world is headquartered in Virginia (Is it called Network Solutions?)
- where is the server housing this website located?
- Why is US government not going after the operators of this website. There is a reasonable chance that the operators of these websites are key players of al-qaeda. Also, the mystery of WHO killed Berg could be solved by capturing the operators of website and asking them where they got the video of execution from. And narrowing the location of where the messages on this website are posted from is NOT difficult at all. This could be easily done by tracing the IP address.

Does anyone else has information that could help me understand this?

Zain Malik