India Votes - and How!

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sadna,

justified...your people...assumptions.

[...I donot remember ever seeing rapes and murders committed in response to election results...]

no rape/murder has been commited in response to election results by either side...though murders are fairly common (esp in commie/laloo lands) before the elections.

anyway, i thought you said you would prefer traitors like commies/laloos instead of rapists like vhp. my belief is that both are traitors/rapists (in response to whatever)...

yogiraj

can you give the local view from your neck of the woods (in a language we can underestand please :-) )? how did the shivsena do? whats the prognosis for forthcoming vidhansabha elections?

its interesting that raybareli and amethi are some of the worst districts in the nation though represented by gandhis for ever. contrast that with Baramati districs represented by sharad pawat. no one from baramati goes to work as labor unlike all the bareliwallas driving taxi-cabs all over bombay-delhi. whatsup?

perhaps in the interest of the nation, natinalist bjp should support the sonia govt from outside under the condition that they keep the commies/sp/rjd out. can this work?

Correction
Manmohan Singh said `manipulators will be sternly dealt with`

sadna, to add...

[...So did India`s next Finance Minister Manmohan Singh...]

i don`t believe he mentioned `bjp`...it would be rather irresponsible of him if he did. you probably already know what jaswant singh said in response.

concerned1 #254
``by people who showed that the glass is half-empty, not by the ones who may have filled it halfway... ``
oh now we are being told the BJP and Sangh have done India so a big a favor by ruling us for 5 years, that they are above the law and free to do what they wish henceforth. YEAH RIGHT.

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#249 by concerned1

You mean - Sonia still holds her Italian citzenship? Are you sure?

//...exposing Congress`s ill-preparedness and incompetence to deal with pressing issues, its lack of competent upper level leadership? ...//

It is already exposed. Everybody knows the competence level of congress leaders. These guys ruled India for 50 years and you still have doubt about their competency :) ?

concerned1 #249
``commies/laloos do not rape?``

I donot remember ever seeing rapes and murders committed in response to election results. Since you evidently think it is justified to do so, why don`t you patriotic types tell us traitors in advance, where are your people going to rape and kill? We traitors have family members to worry about back home.


``btw, the commies said the exact same thing as you did wrt stock market fall/bjp ``

So did India`s next Finance Minister Manmohan Singh.

sadna,

[...Why is it considered more `patriotic` to hold out ominous threats of civic breakdown, rape, murder and arson?...]

because that seems to be what `sells`. someone said this election was won on the basis of `promises` not `results`...by people who showed that the glass is half-empty, not by the ones who may have filled it halfway...

Too much emotions on this board.

I would caution against reading too much into the decline of stock market. Markets are not always rational.

As I said before, give Congress+ a chance. They have some really good policy makers. Let`s see how they balance the reform oriented polices (inevitable and more importantly crucial to India) with the protectionist tendencies of Left (though the first week doesn`t look too good).

Having said that, the reluctance of almost all the major congress allies to join the government does not bode well for the stability of this government. The coming Assembly elections are going to be a flash point between Congress-Left, Congress-SP/BSP.


I don`t think this government is goint to last the full term due to too much of ideological inconsistency between it`s partners. A coalition (atleast among it`s major partners) has to have some kind of commolaities in the idealogy and policy making (whether pre-poll or post-poll allainces). Coalitions, establised on negativity (in this case anti Hindutva/NDA) fail.

Almost all the coalitions so far, which had ``opposition to some other ideology/party`` as their only binding factor failed.

Being a supporter of NDA, I hope the sooner the next elections are called the better. Hopefully ( a big hope), NDA would have learnt the lessons of ignoring the Rural areas and pursue a more balanced growth strategy.

- Avkrishna

concerned1 had posted some references about poverty strategies. Today a columnist in the Washington Post has this to say :

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31972-2004May16.html

``When he was young and so was India, Jagdish Bhagwati left Oxford to work at the Indian Planning Commission. He was assigned to grapple with his country`s biggest problem -- how to raise the incomes of the poorest -- and he soon came to the conclusion that the key was economic growth. For one thing, the ``exploitative rich`` were irritatingly few, so nationalizing their fortunes wouldn`t get you very far. But Bhagwati was also impressed by data showing that no poor country has achieved egalitarianism in incomes. If inequality was more or less a given, the only hope was to expand the pie rather than slicing it up differently. ....``

``....prominent Indian intellectuals -- Salman Rushdie in The Post, Arundhati Roy in the British Guardian -- could not resist declaring that the failure of growth as an anti-poverty strategy explained at least part of the result. The ``immense countryside India,`` Rushdie wrote confidently, ``. . . has not benefited in the slightest from the recent economic boom.`` According to Roy, the election represented a decisive defeat for ``neo-liberalism`s economic `reforms.` `` And so we have a curious inversion. India used to understand growth`s importance, but not how to achieve it. Now India knows how to achieve it; but some famous Indians, and perhaps millions of ordinary voters, have lost sight of growth`s importance. People don`t seem to have noticed that, whereas India`s poverty rate stuck obstinately above 50 percent during the low-growth 1960s and 1970s, it is now falling precipitously: To 36 percent in the government`s household survey of 1993-94; to 29 percent in the next survey, six years later. The idea that the countryside has not benefited is simply spurious. In the interval between the two most recent surveys, rural poverty fell from 37 percent to 30 percent.

And that, in a nutshell, is the problem with globalization -- we can`t seem to appreciate the good things that it brings. Bhagwati`s new book offers other examples: He explains how globalization is good for women`s rights, good at reducing child labor, good for the environment. If only the globo-skeptics would spend less time celebrating India`s odd election and more time reading him. ..``


The growth = reduction in poverty connection doesnot explain of course as Ana-Shark pointed out recent Household Survey results which revealed a fall in rural nutrition intake levels.

However, IMO, in this election, voters were not against growth, they wanted the benefits of that growth, for themselves too.

#221 by sadna on May 16, 2004 11:53pm PT
``Communist scums and CONgress traitors have decided to prove that `India shining` was wrong. And what better way than to screw up the economy so royally beyond any redemption.``

Was it the Commies who sold their shares and precipitated the fall? How do you know this is not engineered by the ultra patriotic BJP`s contacts within the market ? ``

Sadna,

Capital is like water. It knows where to flow. No nation, religion, sect....Same rules like... well..

No it was/is not BJP. It is pressure tacticts.

Being an Indian, I would now support Soniya (Ji???). Must.

I now do not care where stock market goes. I care what my current Govt (Country?) does.

Please, please, you/stuka/Dost/Gujju/Arjun/Veeresh/Harish explain this to me.


Could any one of you take a pause and see who all tried and who won?.

The best in Maharashtra goes to Mumbai and western parts. I mean all the money/investments, water storage, roads... blah blah. Viresh Bhai can prove it. Rupee/Anna/Paisa wise.

The rest part is called Vidharbha/Marathwada/North Maharashtra. Do you know who won?

Yes. Hindutwa/BJP/GOONs. I think the rules of the game were same. Check the results.

Let us just accept the facts. People have spoken. They rule. Neither I, NOR you.

I think one of the best, yes, let me rub in, was said by Tahemad 123 or whatever. People decided. People, not elites.

Given a choice people will decide (thats where we all win).

You never knew, you elites, what sacrifices my mom did, so that I could just see a school. I think I am an ignorant idiot. Honestly, so are you. My mom hardly can read and write. She is not (ignorant).

She does not know what (S)share (sharing) means??? That is a worst joke. Let there be a drop. A Titanic fall I mean.

What exchange. What rules. Who controls. Ambani??

Let me spell it straight.

Likes of me never would have a chance. I could at least type in ``Hing``lish now.

That is what has been done to likes of me. By Panditjee, By Laal Bahadurji, By Indirajee, By Rajeevji, By Raojee, By Inderkumarjee, By Ataljee. (VP, Chandrashekhar, Charan(??) Devi Gauda).

Why would I abhore Soniya....... JEEEEEEE?(In Aamchi Mumbai Ji Ji ra Ji Ji ra Ji JI JI has a special meaning) But only in Aamchi Mumbai. Any takers?

Yogiraj Patil












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#244 by harimau

`` The ancient Greeks were right: against stupidity, the very Gods struggle in vain. ``

Excellent quote. Very true indeed.

In the land of stupid O`plenty called India, people wallow in self-pity and vote for whoever deluges them in that.

I was actually feeling secure about re-locating back to India before this stupidity was revealed. I was basking in the glory of the supposed intelligence of masses who saw through the cr@p of 50 years of congress mis-rule. I thought my contrymen appreciated the party that has shown some pride in India and were slowly but surely were working towards resolving issues one after another methodically. 6 years of living outside the country somehow blinded me about the judgement of my fellow countrymen.

So what if I don`t move back and build myself a new home. The idiot daily workers, electricians, etc, etc who otherwise would have been employed can now take solace in the self-pity offered by the idiot Andhra CM and that commie b!!ch called Arundhati Roy.

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