Shiners versus Whiners; it’s Economics, Stupid

Faruk

On this one count I am extremely happy. M.M. Joshi deserved to go. Good riddance.

But it`s the commies, anarchists, and Rahul-worshipping slaves who scare me....what good are these nuts? God help India.

Hi T-Bhai . . . let me try to tell you why I think the media got it wrong . . . actully even the political parties themselves got it wrong . . . being almost out of media, here is one answer for you . . . almost everyone of us from the chattering classes in India are currently quite consumed by our own brilliance . . . means we can hardly see the true lights outide . . . now over the last few years the politicians started believing the media and vice-versa . . . as a result they forgot one thing . . . the underdog (and a large percentage, say 75%??, of India`s population is still underdog?) jut decided that s/he would collectively show ``them`` how much smarter s/he was . . . so is this a ``spite`` vote then?

No, it is:-

a) Smart electoral mathematics. To figure that out, ask any true Bengali (non Ghotee) how voting is really organised in West Bengal by the loyal and effieicent cadre. That will explain a lot of the Communist seats.

b) For the rest, the maths of votes polled is . . . exquisite.

I think many Indians just got tired of the smug looks on the faces of some of our erstwhile beloved leaders, and decided to give others who had had time to wipe off previous smug looks another chance.

The key word here is, therefore, cyclical.

And the key ministry may well be -Environment & Forests- . . .

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#18 by veeresh

On the other thread Arjun posted these numbers:
``INC 26.8%
BJP 22.1%

Interestingly, these were the figures in 99
INC 28.3%
BJP 23.75%``

Now, what it says here is that the INC or BJP almost matched numbers from 1999. In fact, INC got less. In this scenario, I think what worked for INC was better alliances this time and perhaps less candidate of INC itself.

I think this would be a good comparison:

How many seats INC contested this year vs. 1999. With less number of seats to contest, they (INC) probably had resource to concentrate on the seats where they had a good shot to win Vs. spreading their resource thin like they probably did in 1999. With better alliances, they eliminated vote split also.
Now this theory would disappear in thin air, if they contested exactly the same number of seats in both elections.
I just don’t see any earth shattering victory here. Somebody in INC just did some home work on numbers from 1999 and worked on a better strategy. Core votes for both parties show that the parties are about even in public’s eye. INC ended up with more seats due to good election strategy.

Gajjubania # 20

If I recollect correctly, you were neither with the Hinutva types (RSS,VHP) nor with the socialist and controlled-economy Kangress types.

You were with the 10% growth, globalization and Industrialization types.

Now you seem to have modified your stance towards Indian heritage linked with its religious philosophy as

``message of the Vedas and Upanisads is universal brotherhood and equal respect for all faiths and methods of worship. The culture and traditions of this ancient nation have nurtured these values and preserved them for posterity and for nations and societies deprived of the benefit of this kind spiritual discipline``

No one can take away the Indian history or heritage. But does this have to form a part of the Indian Ideology. I think India does not need it.

Simple Democracy is good enough as a method of social change and progress. The recent elections have actually re-corrected the dangerous ideological bent in one direction.

Christianity has already played itself out. Islam is undergoing the final painful pangs of getting rejected from the mainstream everyday life.

Let Hinduism remain in the background and play out its liberal ethos quietly as it has done for thousands of years.

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Ralph # 17
BJP had won the election on a swadeshi plank and then supported the reforms once in power. The congress supports the reforms. The problem is containing the commies ….
Being a gandhi family chumcha has been a career option for a while in India. What can I say


Faruk

Romair,
One of the major reason cited by Ian Talbott in his book ``Inventing a Nation``, cites the unholy alliance between the industrials and the bureaucracy as the major reason for accumulation of wealth in 22 hands. There was corruption involved in the allocation of grants and soft loans.This could have been checked rathet than bring in socialism of Bhutto`s populism. It is Bhutto who rolled back the decade of progress from which we are still to recover.

Yes I tend to agree with your suggestion of the Oligo Economic model.

The new Government will have to face the dilemma, but I feel there will be no major reversal. They have Pakistan to learn from.

I also feel that now India will be more pressed for trade with Pakistan. Pursuance of economic policies will pacify security concerns. I hope it is so because we in Pakistan need a long economic break.

Cheerios

re:#16 by Romair
After 50 years, you guys still do not know what kind of democracy would suit you. Why don`t u debate with your compatriots for another 50 years and let us know what u think?
This is from Ayaz Amir`s column:
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/ayaz/ayaz.htm
Sridhar

re:#14 by Romair
Japan, with much help from USA, turned from a poor war ravaged nation into a highly industrialised nation. South Korea has transformed itself into a prosperous nation. So has Taiwan. All are democracies.
Sridhar

India`s two highest elected offices would soon be held by a Muslim, and by a Roman Catholic. It is like having a Christian elected to President of Pakistan, and a Hindu elected to become Prime Minister of Pakistan. I wonder if any Pakistani or any muslim intellectual would speculate on how long it will take for this to happen in Pakistan or in any muslim country. Failure to even venture should tell them the first problems to tackle.

Clearly this is a victory for the arrival of more than 1 billion world citizens from India into democracy. With this about 18% or world citizens do not live under democracy. Majority of them are in Muslim or African countries. This should indicate something to the readers at the Chowk.

Indian voters threw out Indira Gandhi, voted out Narsimha Rao, and elected the shiners to power, and now voted in the whiners into the power. With these election results, the voters have rejected TNT as preached by Modis of India. The power of Indian voters is clear. They do not applaud a general hijacking an elected head of state to put in a jail. A few days before Delhi went to vote, Modi on campaign trail in Delhi was asking that no one will rent a house to Sonia so how can the nation give her the Prime Ministership. Prior to the previous election, out seven seats from Delhi, BJP had 6, and Congress had 1. Even after Modi`s campaiging, BJP has 1, and Congress now has 6. 6-1, became 1-6, let us hope shiners of yesterday do not become whiners of tomorrow.

Another good aspect of such a transition is that, politician - bureaucratic corrpution nexus will break too. Now shiners have tasted the power, and while out of power and corrput nexus, will not wait to expose if the media will remain as vigilant and available as tehlka.com was.

The whiners now have power with all time highest foreign exchange reserves, and the largest job creation process underway in Indian history.

Therefore, their only mission should be ``India Delivers with Honesty``.

The best part of this result is that with it Hindutva has been cremated, and Dr. Murli Manohar Joshi will soon depart with its ashes and ``Astrology in IITs`` to Allahabad for the immersion. A sobering sight for the leader of Allahabad. Also, with these election results, no power in the U.S., the Europe or elsewhere in the world would come forward and can to India ``Please deliver Kashmir to Pakistan or else``. Finally, India can persue its foreign policy based on economic reasons, rather than purely on geo-politics.

Regarding Harvard case studies. These can be purchased for about $2,500 each. Pakistani intellectuals should purchase it and read. Also they should read the case study on Turkey. Both Pakistan and Turkey, had dictatorships and all ingradients according to these cases. Both floundered. Whereas, Romair indeed is correct, Korea, Taiwan, even Muslim Malayasia and others continued to progress. These phenomena must be looked from what economy needs. It needs, stability and ability to create markets. Asian tigers provided stability and the U.S. first and later Europe provided the market. Both Pakistan and Turkey failed to follow this paradigm of stability and market creation. Both are emotional countries, unlike muslim Malayasia, where economic development was left in the hands of Chinese and Indian entreprenuers first. Can Paksitan leave its economy in the hands of entreprenuers? Who is going to tell Fauji Foundation to get out of business and let Punjabi entreprenuers create post partition Delhi phenomena? Faujis only job should be to provide stability nothing more nothing less. This is my opinion on Pakistan from my arm chair.

Anil Kapuria

thank you sir veeru:

..tho` must confess am more still confused...;)...you need to elaborate for a simpleton like me... and i see harish is still in hibernation...

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gujjubania:

...my first post to you...if you do not mind... despair not...it is not the end of the world...the growth will continue if not at 10.5 maybe above 9.0 (don`t quote me;))...growth has its own momentum...and it will still be higher than most regional countries...

Expect Gandhi to continue peace talks, and cricket matches, with Muslim Pakistan.

Expect resistance to American hegemony in the Middle East. Gandhi`s Congress party has traditionally been pro-Arab. Expect economic collaboration with the U.S. to continue, with one caveat: American corporations and the World Bank will face tougher negotiations.

from my friend haroon siddidiqui

rgds,

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``With this about 18% or world citizens do not live under democracy. ``

18% should be 28%. My apologies for the typographic mistake.

Anil

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