Deepak Sapra May 18, 2004
#40 Posted by nb on May 21, 2004 5:31:44 am
I see your point, harimau, but can we please wish poor Varun well? He`s the brightest of the lot. Since he`ll win an election whenever he wants and become PM whenver he wants, if we are to have The Family, regardless of what you and I may want, we may as well have him.
Anyway, just by being a Gandhi, the stain of being General Gul`s granddaughter will wash off, she will be more Indian than me, and if I question that, I`m a Hindu supremacist.
Now, does anyone know why the authorities in the US questioned Rahul? Did it have something to do with the Colombian link?
Anyway, just by being a Gandhi, the stain of being General Gul`s granddaughter will wash off, she will be more Indian than me, and if I question that, I`m a Hindu supremacist.
Now, does anyone know why the authorities in the US questioned Rahul? Did it have something to do with the Colombian link?
#39 Posted by Humsab on May 21, 2004 5:31:43 am
# 36
What is this Hindu mentality and where is your logic? It seems logic is a subject they don`t teach in your country.
The mandate you are talking about came from the same majority Hindu population. Learn to differentiate between people and political party. In any case this whole episode has no reflection on Indian Democracy.
By the way is it possible that your soft corner for foriegners is because you people are taught to admire your conquerers and hate yourself?
Regards
What is this Hindu mentality and where is your logic? It seems logic is a subject they don`t teach in your country.
The mandate you are talking about came from the same majority Hindu population. Learn to differentiate between people and political party. In any case this whole episode has no reflection on Indian Democracy.
By the way is it possible that your soft corner for foriegners is because you people are taught to admire your conquerers and hate yourself?
Regards
#38 Posted by harimau on May 21, 2004 5:31:42 am
Ref teshah #36
[Only a few days ago the world was all praise for the democracy of India where a revolution has been brought about through the vote of the people. The euphoria, however, proved to be short lived when Sonia Gandhi, who was elected the leader of the majority in the Lower House and as such destined to become the Prime Minister suddenly declined to accept the highest
appointment in the democratic hierarchy of India under dubious circumstances. In her greatness she exposed the meanness of the Hindu mentality which wanted democracy only if it meant Hindu dominance. I was shocked personally but relieved also of the doubt I had in my mind about the political sagacity of the Quaide Azam in rejecting the offer of prime ministership of India by Congress if he forgoes the demand for Pakistan. The Quaide Azam had perhaps the bitter experience of the Hindu meanness, which has now surfaced in the BJP in the shape of Sushma Sawaraj who refused to accept the mandate of the people if it meant Sonia as P.M. of her Bharat Mata. But we are reassured also as India has reasserted its faith in secularism which has reduced the extremists in the BJP like Sushma Sawaraj to a mere lunatic fringe now. Sonia Zinda Bad. You are great. You have resurrected the true spirit of India which we all love.]
That true spirit of India was not unique to Sushma Swaraj and the Hindus.
P. A. Sangma, a Christian from one of the Northeastern states (not a so-called mainstream Aryan but from a tribe of Mongol descent) and a former Speaker of Parliament also declared that he would resign from his elected position of MP if Sonia were to become the Prime Minister. In fact, he split from the Congress several years ago and formed the NCP on the basis that Sonia cannot be the leader of India.
Sushma, PA Sangma and hundreds of millions of Indians have accepted Manmohan Singh, a Sikh, as their Prime Minister.
If the Congress had fielded someone with the organizational ability of Abdul Rahman Antulay as their candidate for Prime Minister, not one Indian would have complained. Because, for ill or good, Muslims have been part of India for 1000+ years.
Nor did they complain about electing YSR Reddy, a Christian, to be Chief Minister of Andhra or the continuance of AK Anthony as Chief Minister of Kerala. Nobody ever asks what the religions or the ethnicities of the Chief Ministers of Nagaland, Mizoram, Arunachal Pradesh, Tripura, Meghalaya and Manipur are. At least some of them are likely to be Christian and quite a few likely to be non-Aryan.
As to the intolerance of Hindus, you probably are not aware -- after all, isn`t ignorance bliss and stupidity heavenly -- that it was the ``secular`` Congress and Sonia Gandhi who opposed the candidacy of AP Alexander, a Christian, for President of India when his name was floated by the BJP. Their ``secular`` logic was Indians won`t accept a Christian in both the Presidency and the Prime Ministership and they wanted the Prime Ministership reserved for Sonia Gandhi.
For your information, AP Alexander was a life-long adviser to the Nehru family.
So much for a Christian`s (Sonia) way of thanking someone for life-long service.
I am sure you find it perfectly acceptable that the Pakistan constitution (ha, ha, ha) does NOT permit a NATIVE-BORN CITIZEN of Pakistan to become the Prime Minister or President if he is a Christian, Hindu, Sikh or Parsi. Or Ahmadiyya.
[Only a few days ago the world was all praise for the democracy of India where a revolution has been brought about through the vote of the people. The euphoria, however, proved to be short lived when Sonia Gandhi, who was elected the leader of the majority in the Lower House and as such destined to become the Prime Minister suddenly declined to accept the highest
appointment in the democratic hierarchy of India under dubious circumstances. In her greatness she exposed the meanness of the Hindu mentality which wanted democracy only if it meant Hindu dominance. I was shocked personally but relieved also of the doubt I had in my mind about the political sagacity of the Quaide Azam in rejecting the offer of prime ministership of India by Congress if he forgoes the demand for Pakistan. The Quaide Azam had perhaps the bitter experience of the Hindu meanness, which has now surfaced in the BJP in the shape of Sushma Sawaraj who refused to accept the mandate of the people if it meant Sonia as P.M. of her Bharat Mata. But we are reassured also as India has reasserted its faith in secularism which has reduced the extremists in the BJP like Sushma Sawaraj to a mere lunatic fringe now. Sonia Zinda Bad. You are great. You have resurrected the true spirit of India which we all love.]
That true spirit of India was not unique to Sushma Swaraj and the Hindus.
P. A. Sangma, a Christian from one of the Northeastern states (not a so-called mainstream Aryan but from a tribe of Mongol descent) and a former Speaker of Parliament also declared that he would resign from his elected position of MP if Sonia were to become the Prime Minister. In fact, he split from the Congress several years ago and formed the NCP on the basis that Sonia cannot be the leader of India.
Sushma, PA Sangma and hundreds of millions of Indians have accepted Manmohan Singh, a Sikh, as their Prime Minister.
If the Congress had fielded someone with the organizational ability of Abdul Rahman Antulay as their candidate for Prime Minister, not one Indian would have complained. Because, for ill or good, Muslims have been part of India for 1000+ years.
Nor did they complain about electing YSR Reddy, a Christian, to be Chief Minister of Andhra or the continuance of AK Anthony as Chief Minister of Kerala. Nobody ever asks what the religions or the ethnicities of the Chief Ministers of Nagaland, Mizoram, Arunachal Pradesh, Tripura, Meghalaya and Manipur are. At least some of them are likely to be Christian and quite a few likely to be non-Aryan.
As to the intolerance of Hindus, you probably are not aware -- after all, isn`t ignorance bliss and stupidity heavenly -- that it was the ``secular`` Congress and Sonia Gandhi who opposed the candidacy of AP Alexander, a Christian, for President of India when his name was floated by the BJP. Their ``secular`` logic was Indians won`t accept a Christian in both the Presidency and the Prime Ministership and they wanted the Prime Ministership reserved for Sonia Gandhi.
For your information, AP Alexander was a life-long adviser to the Nehru family.
So much for a Christian`s (Sonia) way of thanking someone for life-long service.
I am sure you find it perfectly acceptable that the Pakistan constitution (ha, ha, ha) does NOT permit a NATIVE-BORN CITIZEN of Pakistan to become the Prime Minister or President if he is a Christian, Hindu, Sikh or Parsi. Or Ahmadiyya.
#37 Posted by harimau on May 20, 2004 10:41:11 pm
All right, let us look at this scenario:
If Varun Gandhi marries a Pakistani (Muslim) woman, how many of you would want Varun`s widow to become the Prime Minister of India?
What if she happens to be the granddaughter of Gen. Hamid Gul?
If Varun Gandhi marries a Pakistani (Muslim) woman, how many of you would want Varun`s widow to become the Prime Minister of India?
What if she happens to be the granddaughter of Gen. Hamid Gul?
#36 Posted by teshah on May 20, 2004 10:41:10 pm
Only a few days ago the world was all praise for the democracy of India where a revolution has been brought about through the vote of the people. The euphoria, however, proved to be short lived when Sonia Gandhi, who was elected the leader of the majority in the Lower House and as such destined to become the Prime Minister suddenly declined to accept the highest
appointment in the democratic hierarchy of India under dubious circumstances. In her greatness she exposed the meanness of the Hindu mentality which wanted democracy only if it meant Hindu dominance. I was shocked personally but relieved also of the doubt I had in my mind about the political sagacity of the Quaide Azam in rejecting the offer of prime ministership of India by Congress if he forgoes the demand for Pakistan. The Quaide Azam had perhaps the bitter experience of the Hindu meanness, which has now surfaced in the BJP in the shape of Sushma Sawaraj who refused to accept the mandate of the people if it meant Sonia as P.M. of her Bharat Mata. But we are reassured also as India has reasserted its faith in secularism which has reduced the extremists in the BJP like Sushma Sawaraj to a mere lunatic fringe now. Sonia Zinda Bad. You are great. You have resurrected the true spirit of India which we all love.
#35 Posted by rahul_capri on May 20, 2004 9:05:42 am
#30 Mumbaikar.
Looks like I have seen this post somewhere else :-)
Looks like I have seen this post somewhere else :-)
#34 Posted by mumbaikar on May 20, 2004 9:05:41 am
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#33 Posted by avkrishna on May 20, 2004 6:02:21 am
A potential positive fallout of the new political order is that Chidambaram may become the Finance Minister (though he will have tough competition from Pranab Mukharjee).
If it happens, This is a Dream Team for Indian economy. It can hardly get better than this.
Of course, they should be able to resist the pressures of Sonia`s cotorie and Left.
- Avkrishna
If it happens, This is a Dream Team for Indian economy. It can hardly get better than this.
Of course, they should be able to resist the pressures of Sonia`s cotorie and Left.
- Avkrishna
#32 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on May 19, 2004 10:02:13 pm
NB # 26
(note Pakistanis are particularly interested in the wishes of the ``Indian majority``. Funnily enough, they`re fairly enthusiastic about dictators themselves)
The Pakistanis have the same natural urge for a civil democratic rule & majority rule for themselves.
They have managed to dislodge 3 military rulers with bare hands; and are now trying their darnest best to get the Uniform removed of the present one.
(and the Indians got Indra`s Emergency once removed)
#31 Posted by mumbaikar on May 19, 2004 8:25:46 pm
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#30 Posted by mumbaikar on May 19, 2004 4:29:21 pm
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#29 Posted by mumbaikar on May 19, 2004 11:27:57 am
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#28 Posted by sri on May 19, 2004 11:27:57 am
legacy of 50 years of congress rule ...
Garbage and sewer EVERYWHERE.
#27 Posted by Maharana on May 19, 2004 8:04:36 am
My my... I can definitely understand my Paki friends` concern about majority voice. After all that was how the great tradition of pakistan was founded upon and continues to shine its beacon to the world. Have to admit though, that they are the most altruistic people on earth. They worry about kashmir, chechniya and now the voice of majority of indians.
sparchus,
I agree with you on congress` analysis. Actually from the time that indira gandhi took over the reins of congress, both india and congress have been going downhill eversince. Rajiv only continued in his mom`s footsteps. When seasoned politicians like sharad pawar and others have had to break away from congress, due to encouragement of incompetency and sycophancy, the writing was on the wall. The culture in congress has become one of gandhi worshipping which has no alternative. When i saw this man holding a revolver to his head and threatening to shoot himself for sonia`s sake, i was ashamed of being an indian.
Its time some parties in india openly come out and blame the congress for kashmir, punjab, N.E and other looney policies. They just cannot understand regional aspirations within a country and respect them.
Adios
sparchus,
I agree with you on congress` analysis. Actually from the time that indira gandhi took over the reins of congress, both india and congress have been going downhill eversince. Rajiv only continued in his mom`s footsteps. When seasoned politicians like sharad pawar and others have had to break away from congress, due to encouragement of incompetency and sycophancy, the writing was on the wall. The culture in congress has become one of gandhi worshipping which has no alternative. When i saw this man holding a revolver to his head and threatening to shoot himself for sonia`s sake, i was ashamed of being an indian.
Its time some parties in india openly come out and blame the congress for kashmir, punjab, N.E and other looney policies. They just cannot understand regional aspirations within a country and respect them.
Adios
#26 Posted by nb on May 19, 2004 6:56:02 am
I note Pakistanis are particularly interested in the wishes of the ``Indian majority``. Funnily enough, they`re fairly enthusiastic about dictators themselves. You have to worry as an Indian when Pakistanis tell you what`s good for you.
#25 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on May 19, 2004 6:56:01 am
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