Deepak Sapra May 18, 2004
#1 Posted by rahul_capri on May 18, 2004 12:00:14 pm
``Sonia Gandhi And the coming of age of Indian Nation``
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Anybody coming for a coffee?
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Anybody coming for a coffee?
#3 Posted by Ralph on May 18, 2004 1:46:17 pm
What a fool. News for you. Your Italian goddess isn`t India`s prime minister and will never be.
#5 Posted by harimau on May 18, 2004 1:46:17 pm
When the Spanish landed on the coast of Mexico, the Aztecs didn`t know what their intentions were.
The Aztecs had a legend that their God is of white complexion. They looked at the leader of the Spanish expedition and assumed he was their God because he was white.
The parallels between 16th century Mexico and 21st century India are compelling.
The Aztecs had a legend that their God is of white complexion. They looked at the leader of the Spanish expedition and assumed he was their God because he was white.
The parallels between 16th century Mexico and 21st century India are compelling.
#6 Posted by kaurasach on May 18, 2004 1:46:17 pm
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#7 Posted by mumbaikar on May 18, 2004 2:30:32 pm
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#8 Posted by sri on May 18, 2004 4:37:03 pm
I don`t have anything against her national origin.
I just feel that she is downright INCOMPETENT to rule a complex country like India. That`s all. What the hell does she know anyway ? about handling nuclear command, monetary policy, economic policy, foreign policy, managing states, getting along with diverging view points of various coalition parties, managing disputes between states, etcetra, etcetra.... She neither has the Aptitude nor the vision for leading a country like India. Besides I don`t want the security of the country to be in the hands of a person who waited 15 years to get citizenship. That ought to tell how much she cared for Indian citizenship. Now, some people might try to justify her as a PM by pointing to other idiots like Lallu and Mulayam who are worse. But justifying one incompetent person by pointing to other incompetent people is just about the dumbest argument that anybody can make.
If some idiots are not coming to their senses even after reading this post, then I would say that they are traitors and should be hung from the nearest lamp post.
#9 Posted by Romair on May 18, 2004 6:16:40 pm
Anybody who willingly gives a Prime Ministership, for no visible ulterior motives, has show character. Generally, desis do not even give up a green card, on the basis of principle, much less Prime Ministership.
In Pakistan, there are only a few examples I can think of. Altaf Hussain, head of MQM, never participates in elections. So he is not even interested in being an MNA. He leads his party as a common citizen. Ayaz Amir resigned as an MPA, of Nawaz party, when he got fed up with Nawaz`s politics. However, he did not leave the party, when Musharraf became President to join the Q League, when every other PML person was leaving. And fought this election as a PML(N) member.
The biggest example is, of course, Imran Khan. He refused a Senator seat offered to him by Zia. He refused top leadership positions offered to him by all top parties, any of which would be ready to make him President. He gave up thirty seats offered to PTI, by Nawaz Sharif. And recently, rumor has it, that Musharraf wanted him to be the PM, as the head of the Q coalition. But he went into opposition.
Interestingly, the PM of Pakistan, should have been Chaudhry Shujaat. He is the head of PML(Q), and would have unanimously been voted PM, by his party. But he has not taken any post, nor even Chief Minister or Federal Minister of any ministry. He is just an MNA.
So both the heads of the winning parties, in India and Pakistan, have decided not to become PM........
In Pakistan, there are only a few examples I can think of. Altaf Hussain, head of MQM, never participates in elections. So he is not even interested in being an MNA. He leads his party as a common citizen. Ayaz Amir resigned as an MPA, of Nawaz party, when he got fed up with Nawaz`s politics. However, he did not leave the party, when Musharraf became President to join the Q League, when every other PML person was leaving. And fought this election as a PML(N) member.
The biggest example is, of course, Imran Khan. He refused a Senator seat offered to him by Zia. He refused top leadership positions offered to him by all top parties, any of which would be ready to make him President. He gave up thirty seats offered to PTI, by Nawaz Sharif. And recently, rumor has it, that Musharraf wanted him to be the PM, as the head of the Q coalition. But he went into opposition.
Interestingly, the PM of Pakistan, should have been Chaudhry Shujaat. He is the head of PML(Q), and would have unanimously been voted PM, by his party. But he has not taken any post, nor even Chief Minister or Federal Minister of any ministry. He is just an MNA.
So both the heads of the winning parties, in India and Pakistan, have decided not to become PM........
#10 Posted by Romair on May 18, 2004 6:18:57 pm
Anybody who willingly gives a Prime Ministership, for no visible ulterior motives, has show character. Generally, desis do not even give up a green card, on the basis of principle, much less Prime Ministership.
In Pakistan, there are only a few examples I can think of. Altaf Hussain, head of MQM, never participates in elections. So he is not even interested in being an MNA. He leads his party as a common citizen. Ayaz Amir resigned as an MPA, of Nawaz party, when he got fed up with Nawaz`s politics. However, he did not leave the party, when Musharraf became President to join the Q League, when every other PML person was leaving. And fought this election as a PML(N) member.
The biggest example is, of course, Imran Khan. He refused a Senator seat offered to him by Zia. He refused top leadership positions offered to him by all top parties, any of which would be ready to make him President. He gave up thirty seats offered to PTI, by Nawaz Sharif. And recently, rumor has it, that Musharraf wanted him to be the PM, as the head of the Q coalition. But he went into opposition.
Interestingly, the PM of Pakistan, should have been Chaudhry Shujaat. He is the head of PML(Q), and would have unanimously been voted PM, by his party. But he has not taken any post, nor even Chief Minister or Federal Minister of any ministry. He is just an MNA.
So both the heads of the winning parties, in India and Pakistan, have decided not to become PM........
In Pakistan, there are only a few examples I can think of. Altaf Hussain, head of MQM, never participates in elections. So he is not even interested in being an MNA. He leads his party as a common citizen. Ayaz Amir resigned as an MPA, of Nawaz party, when he got fed up with Nawaz`s politics. However, he did not leave the party, when Musharraf became President to join the Q League, when every other PML person was leaving. And fought this election as a PML(N) member.
The biggest example is, of course, Imran Khan. He refused a Senator seat offered to him by Zia. He refused top leadership positions offered to him by all top parties, any of which would be ready to make him President. He gave up thirty seats offered to PTI, by Nawaz Sharif. And recently, rumor has it, that Musharraf wanted him to be the PM, as the head of the Q coalition. But he went into opposition.
Interestingly, the PM of Pakistan, should have been Chaudhry Shujaat. He is the head of PML(Q), and would have unanimously been voted PM, by his party. But he has not taken any post, nor even Chief Minister or Federal Minister of any ministry. He is just an MNA.
So both the heads of the winning parties, in India and Pakistan, have decided not to become PM........
#11 Posted by rsridhar on May 18, 2004 8:55:59 pm
re:#8 by sri
ABV as a leader had become an embarassment for his party due to his old age and poor memory. He constantly forgot the names of the candidates he was endorsing, even the dates of elections. He is there because he is popular. Other than pen a few lines of poetry in HIndi, the guy does not know much about economics. As far as foreign policy is concerned, he has brought India shame by making it a satellite state of USA, where now foreign policies are being dictated. We know that after so much talk about ``strategic partnership``, US upgraded Pak`s status to non-NATO without even informing India. What kind of strategic partnership are we talking about.
Then, there is this Israel. India needs to reassess its special relationship with Israel. Latter was gvien total access to India`s security details by LK Advani. How can one do this? It is one thing to learn or modernise one`s weaponry or fighting capabilities, it is another thing to completely surrender one`s strategic defense planning to Israel, which is what India seems to have done. This needs reassessment.
This election is a reminder that the focus for any poor country should be to reach out to the poor masses with a broad social agenda even while generating money through a ``free market`` policy. BJP set its sights high and forgot to lookd at the teeming millions below. Its wings have now been clipped by the masses. I, for one am glad that BJP will have time to think and introspect what happened. We may yet see better days for BJP if it does this serioulsy.
Sridhar
ABV as a leader had become an embarassment for his party due to his old age and poor memory. He constantly forgot the names of the candidates he was endorsing, even the dates of elections. He is there because he is popular. Other than pen a few lines of poetry in HIndi, the guy does not know much about economics. As far as foreign policy is concerned, he has brought India shame by making it a satellite state of USA, where now foreign policies are being dictated. We know that after so much talk about ``strategic partnership``, US upgraded Pak`s status to non-NATO without even informing India. What kind of strategic partnership are we talking about.
Then, there is this Israel. India needs to reassess its special relationship with Israel. Latter was gvien total access to India`s security details by LK Advani. How can one do this? It is one thing to learn or modernise one`s weaponry or fighting capabilities, it is another thing to completely surrender one`s strategic defense planning to Israel, which is what India seems to have done. This needs reassessment.
This election is a reminder that the focus for any poor country should be to reach out to the poor masses with a broad social agenda even while generating money through a ``free market`` policy. BJP set its sights high and forgot to lookd at the teeming millions below. Its wings have now been clipped by the masses. I, for one am glad that BJP will have time to think and introspect what happened. We may yet see better days for BJP if it does this serioulsy.
Sridhar
#12 Posted by rsridhar on May 18, 2004 8:55:59 pm
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Deepak,
I am with you here.
Sonia Gandhi should become the PM. It is the democratic tradition. She was the one who the masses voted for. She carries the mandate. But the latest news is: she has declined and thereby saved the congress from constant attack fromt he Right wing Hindu fundamentalist party of ABV. With ABV gone, this party will be slowly wiped out. It stands for only the rich and has completed neglected its social obligations towards the poor. Sonia Gandhi`s stature has grown manyfolds after she declined to be the PM. This is a rarity among powerhungry Indian politicians. Sonia Gandhi is a real gem. Rest belong to the gutter.
http://www.sulekha.com/redirectnh.asp?cid=334652
Sridhar
Deepak,
I am with you here.
Sonia Gandhi should become the PM. It is the democratic tradition. She was the one who the masses voted for. She carries the mandate. But the latest news is: she has declined and thereby saved the congress from constant attack fromt he Right wing Hindu fundamentalist party of ABV. With ABV gone, this party will be slowly wiped out. It stands for only the rich and has completed neglected its social obligations towards the poor. Sonia Gandhi`s stature has grown manyfolds after she declined to be the PM. This is a rarity among powerhungry Indian politicians. Sonia Gandhi is a real gem. Rest belong to the gutter.
http://www.sulekha.com/redirectnh.asp?cid=334652
Sridhar
#13 Posted by gujjubania on May 18, 2004 9:19:53 pm
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#14 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on May 18, 2004 9:22:28 pm
As a nuetral observer:
Sonia, by rejecting to become the PM, you have won the elections once over again.
It was wise of you not to become a controversial PM.
Meanwhile, you scored points on your integrity and selflessness.
You have made Kangress strong and strengthened the democratic traditions of India.
You also have made a case for moving Rahul & Priyanka up the ladder sooner than later.
You may also have avoided getting killed yourself.
Jay. The illetrate of the country have as much right to exercise their choice as the educated and the rich. Their urgent need may be water and not a cellular phone. If you do not factor them into the equation, they have the ability to create a much bigger mess and distort the socity.
#15 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on May 18, 2004 9:40:18 pm
Gajjubania # 13
A political leader does not have to be a specialist in technical fields - he can hire the best by dozens for advice.
A political leader has to have a feel of his society, the direction to be taken and the confidance of the people.
Carter was a far more qualified and number expert than Reagon - but Carter failed and a generalist like Reagon succeeded.
Even the big Corporations have generalists on the top and not technologists or the financial wizards.
#16 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on May 19, 2004 12:15:19 am
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