Dost Mittar May 19, 2004
#156 Posted by dost_mittar on June 1, 2004 7:22:10 am
mohar11#153:
``I am not sure why you are giving these folks the benefit of doubt.``
You may call it wishful thinking.:).
But seriously, there is reason to believe what I do. Given the nature of the mandate and the role of the leftists in the formualtion of the CMP, those kind of platitudes were inevitable even if the job of writing it were to be given to arjun-m. But the drivers of the policy and programs are going to be the likes of Manmohan Singh and Chidambram and they have kept those loopholes to ensure that they will be able to drive their trucks through them whenever needed.
``I am not sure why you are giving these folks the benefit of doubt.``
You may call it wishful thinking.:).
But seriously, there is reason to believe what I do. Given the nature of the mandate and the role of the leftists in the formualtion of the CMP, those kind of platitudes were inevitable even if the job of writing it were to be given to arjun-m. But the drivers of the policy and programs are going to be the likes of Manmohan Singh and Chidambram and they have kept those loopholes to ensure that they will be able to drive their trucks through them whenever needed.
#155 Posted by sadna on June 1, 2004 4:33:34 am
harimau #154
``Historically, any slave consignment would have been the province of the Islamist thugs.``
Precisely. The extent to which loser Sanghis strive to be like their purported enemies of the past, it looks suspiciously like pure jealousy. We have seen rampages of destruction, rape and murder by these wannabes, what is next, harems of concubines?
``Historically, any slave consignment would have been the province of the Islamist thugs.``
Precisely. The extent to which loser Sanghis strive to be like their purported enemies of the past, it looks suspiciously like pure jealousy. We have seen rampages of destruction, rape and murder by these wannabes, what is next, harems of concubines?
#154 Posted by harimau on May 31, 2004 9:56:55 pm
Ref sadna #152
[Your concern for bhajan singing does not fool anyone here - it is clear that in common with loser Sanghis of your kidney, you are waiting for the day when you get your pick of the latest slave consignment.]
Historically, any slave consignment would have been the province of the Islamist thugs, which conveniently escapes your attention.
Yaaaaawn.
[Your concern for bhajan singing does not fool anyone here - it is clear that in common with loser Sanghis of your kidney, you are waiting for the day when you get your pick of the latest slave consignment.]
Historically, any slave consignment would have been the province of the Islamist thugs, which conveniently escapes your attention.
Yaaaaawn.
#153 Posted by mohar11 on May 31, 2004 6:10:44 pm
DM
//...Those loopholes have been put there for a purpose! ...//
Yes - the purpose is to fend off criticism from people who know better.
These folks have no intention of following the right policy. Protecting steel plants and car makers doesn`t serve poor or rural sector - it in fact acts against their interests - like it has for last 50 years.
I am not sure why you are giving these folks the benefit of doubt.
//...Those loopholes have been put there for a purpose! ...//
Yes - the purpose is to fend off criticism from people who know better.
These folks have no intention of following the right policy. Protecting steel plants and car makers doesn`t serve poor or rural sector - it in fact acts against their interests - like it has for last 50 years.
I am not sure why you are giving these folks the benefit of doubt.
#152 Posted by sadna on May 31, 2004 6:10:04 pm
harimau #150
Your concern for bhajan singing does not fool anyone here - it is clear that in common with loser Sanghis of your kidney, you are waiting for the day when you get your pick of the latest slave consignment.
Your concern for bhajan singing does not fool anyone here - it is clear that in common with loser Sanghis of your kidney, you are waiting for the day when you get your pick of the latest slave consignment.
#151 Posted by dost_mittar on May 31, 2004 10:26:01 am
harimou#149
I think that you meant suzuki and not subaru.
mohar11:
Those loopholes have been put there for a purpose!
I think that you meant suzuki and not subaru.
mohar11:
Those loopholes have been put there for a purpose!
#150 Posted by harimau on May 31, 2004 6:12:41 am
Ref dost-mittar #146
[arjun-m:
I do not see any problem in having a profit making unit in the public sector as long as it is subject to the market discipline. Take for example the Maruti Enterprise; as long as it has to compete with other car makers without any subsidy or preferential treatment by the government, selling it or not should be governed only by the interest of the public as a shareholder in that enterprise, which would include the alternative use of the potential proceeds of sale by the public.]
Well, there is only so much Maruti can do to sell a 1985 Subaru in competition with a 2000-or-later Hyundai, Indica, Daewoo, Mitsubishi, Skoda, Toyota, Ford or GM. Lower price isn`t the only answer. Nor is that breadbox on wheels known as the Maruti van. Particularly when people are lusting after Mercedes-Benzes.
So a few months back, the company sold a substantil portion of its outstanding shares to Subaru of Japan. If I recall correctly, Subaru now is the majority shareholder in Maruti Udyog.
PS. We have a saying in Tamil about trying to make a (clay) Ganesh and ending up with a monkey... sort of a comment about poor workmanship or unintended consequences. I think in this case Sanjay Gandhi started out trying to make a monkey (Maruti = Hanuman) so we all know what kind of an abortion resulted until Subaru was brought in to rescue the project.
[arjun-m:
I do not see any problem in having a profit making unit in the public sector as long as it is subject to the market discipline. Take for example the Maruti Enterprise; as long as it has to compete with other car makers without any subsidy or preferential treatment by the government, selling it or not should be governed only by the interest of the public as a shareholder in that enterprise, which would include the alternative use of the potential proceeds of sale by the public.]
Well, there is only so much Maruti can do to sell a 1985 Subaru in competition with a 2000-or-later Hyundai, Indica, Daewoo, Mitsubishi, Skoda, Toyota, Ford or GM. Lower price isn`t the only answer. Nor is that breadbox on wheels known as the Maruti van. Particularly when people are lusting after Mercedes-Benzes.
So a few months back, the company sold a substantil portion of its outstanding shares to Subaru of Japan. If I recall correctly, Subaru now is the majority shareholder in Maruti Udyog.
PS. We have a saying in Tamil about trying to make a (clay) Ganesh and ending up with a monkey... sort of a comment about poor workmanship or unintended consequences. I think in this case Sanjay Gandhi started out trying to make a monkey (Maruti = Hanuman) so we all know what kind of an abortion resulted until Subaru was brought in to rescue the project.
#149 Posted by harimau on May 31, 2004 6:12:41 am
Ref sadna #119
[`` it should be okay for Congress thugs to target Indian Muslims and Sikhs while simultaneously cheating the Hindus for personal enrichment and continuation of dynastic policies. ``
Yup, you personally prefer that the BJP does this instead.]
You on the other hand would prefer that Hindus be burnt alive for the crime of singing bhajans in public in India.
It seems you just can`t wait for the return of the Golden Age of Aurangzeb.
[`` it should be okay for Congress thugs to target Indian Muslims and Sikhs while simultaneously cheating the Hindus for personal enrichment and continuation of dynastic policies. ``
Yup, you personally prefer that the BJP does this instead.]
You on the other hand would prefer that Hindus be burnt alive for the crime of singing bhajans in public in India.
It seems you just can`t wait for the return of the Golden Age of Aurangzeb.
#148 Posted by mohar11 on May 31, 2004 6:12:40 am
arjun_m
//...When a ship sails, the bow goes first, then the stern....someone has to benefit first....you`re looking for a ship that sails sideways....both bow and stern in line.... //
Good one :)
//...When a ship sails, the bow goes first, then the stern....someone has to benefit first....you`re looking for a ship that sails sideways....both bow and stern in line.... //
Good one :)
#147 Posted by mohar11 on May 31, 2004 6:12:40 am
DM
//...The CMP is full of general platitudes but it is full of loopholes ...//
Yeah - that`s just a consolation , a hope against the odds.
Look - at this point, the right economic policies would have been to go full steam ahead with privatization and labor reforms and reinvestment of monies in right sectors, redirection of capitals. Instead, we have a pledge to exactly the opposite.....with much-vaunted ``loopholes`` .... basically we are clutching at some straws in the wind.
The tragedy is : Some thirty years ago, our great ``leader`` were giving us the same platitudes - garibi hatao, pro-poor, socialism, rural sector etc .... and doing exactly wrong things .... while countries like south korea and japan were going full steam ahead with what needs to be done. And now these countries are first world nations. And we are still talking about pro-poor, socialism and we have with $400 per-capita income ... and our jacka$$ ``leaders`` are still mouthing the same old lines.
And I am sure - 20 years down the line - when other nations like china would be breaking into first world - our leaders would still be saying the same thing. Indians would still be poor, still trapped in the same third world miseries.
We never seem to learn. We suspend all logic .... and lap up same old lies from the same old hags, dynasties, commies and criminals. It`s never-ending spectacle of stupidity and hope against hope.
It`s disgusting to see a bunch of morons hijack a nation that could do so much for itself ... and people who are supposed to know better are closing their eyes and going along with heist.
Shame on us all.
//...The CMP is full of general platitudes but it is full of loopholes ...//
Yeah - that`s just a consolation , a hope against the odds.
Look - at this point, the right economic policies would have been to go full steam ahead with privatization and labor reforms and reinvestment of monies in right sectors, redirection of capitals. Instead, we have a pledge to exactly the opposite.....with much-vaunted ``loopholes`` .... basically we are clutching at some straws in the wind.
The tragedy is : Some thirty years ago, our great ``leader`` were giving us the same platitudes - garibi hatao, pro-poor, socialism, rural sector etc .... and doing exactly wrong things .... while countries like south korea and japan were going full steam ahead with what needs to be done. And now these countries are first world nations. And we are still talking about pro-poor, socialism and we have with $400 per-capita income ... and our jacka$$ ``leaders`` are still mouthing the same old lines.
And I am sure - 20 years down the line - when other nations like china would be breaking into first world - our leaders would still be saying the same thing. Indians would still be poor, still trapped in the same third world miseries.
We never seem to learn. We suspend all logic .... and lap up same old lies from the same old hags, dynasties, commies and criminals. It`s never-ending spectacle of stupidity and hope against hope.
It`s disgusting to see a bunch of morons hijack a nation that could do so much for itself ... and people who are supposed to know better are closing their eyes and going along with heist.
Shame on us all.
#146 Posted by dost_mittar on May 31, 2004 2:16:51 am
Maharana:
This is indeed an area of concern. Although I approve of Manmohan Singh, I had remarked earlier that we do not want to see the ``jamalification`` of the Prime Minister`s office. In that sense, it would have been better to have Sonia as a weak prime minister dependent upon strong and competent ministers than a politically weak prime minister depending for his survival on a strong Sonia outside the government.
I think that Musharraf broke the protocol by directly inviting Sonia. If she had to be invited, the invitation should have come from the leader of the Pakistan Muslim League or some other political party. The only redeeming feature is that the response came from the Minister of Externa Affairs and not from Sonia directly.
I hope that Sonia will learn not to interfere with the matters of day-to-day governance, although she does have some right to provide input on policy matters to the government.
arjun-m:
I do not see any problem in having a profit making unit in the public sector as long as it is subject to the market discipline. Take for example the Maruti Enterprise; as long as it has to compete with other car makers without any subsidy or preferential treatment by the government, selling it or not should be governed only by the interest of the public as a shareholder in that enterprise, which would include the alternative use of the potential proceeds of sale by the public.
This is indeed an area of concern. Although I approve of Manmohan Singh, I had remarked earlier that we do not want to see the ``jamalification`` of the Prime Minister`s office. In that sense, it would have been better to have Sonia as a weak prime minister dependent upon strong and competent ministers than a politically weak prime minister depending for his survival on a strong Sonia outside the government.
I think that Musharraf broke the protocol by directly inviting Sonia. If she had to be invited, the invitation should have come from the leader of the Pakistan Muslim League or some other political party. The only redeeming feature is that the response came from the Minister of Externa Affairs and not from Sonia directly.
I hope that Sonia will learn not to interfere with the matters of day-to-day governance, although she does have some right to provide input on policy matters to the government.
arjun-m:
I do not see any problem in having a profit making unit in the public sector as long as it is subject to the market discipline. Take for example the Maruti Enterprise; as long as it has to compete with other car makers without any subsidy or preferential treatment by the government, selling it or not should be governed only by the interest of the public as a shareholder in that enterprise, which would include the alternative use of the potential proceeds of sale by the public.
#145 Posted by dost_mittar on May 31, 2004 2:04:14 am
Mohar11:
``India`s economic progress is going to slow down for sure.``
I wont be so certain. The CMP is full of general platitudes but it is full of loopholes like, ``no automatic hire and fire`` or no privatisation unless in public interest. I think that, after a short interval, reforms will continue in the slow and steady way that they have in the past 12-13 years. There was no torrent of labour reforms or privatisation even during the NDA period. However, the NDA had been able to create a strong pro-business image for India and it may take some time for that image to return. And when it does, it will be with the added advantage of the image of a stable India at peace with itself.
``India`s economic progress is going to slow down for sure.``
I wont be so certain. The CMP is full of general platitudes but it is full of loopholes like, ``no automatic hire and fire`` or no privatisation unless in public interest. I think that, after a short interval, reforms will continue in the slow and steady way that they have in the past 12-13 years. There was no torrent of labour reforms or privatisation even during the NDA period. However, the NDA had been able to create a strong pro-business image for India and it may take some time for that image to return. And when it does, it will be with the added advantage of the image of a stable India at peace with itself.
#144 Posted by arjun_m on May 30, 2004 7:43:03 pm
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#141 Posted by harimau on May 30, 2004 6:53:03 pm
Ref Maharana #139
[Soon the only ``progressive`` parties in india will be .....temple building, hymn singing donkey bhaktas.]
Hey Soysauce, looks like Maharana has got another nick for you!
[Soon the only ``progressive`` parties in india will be .....temple building, hymn singing donkey bhaktas.]
Hey Soysauce, looks like Maharana has got another nick for you!
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