Luring Muslim Vote

wajahat

Just as pathetic a response as I expected.

#35 Ralph

Yep sure we can see how peaceful you are in Iraq and Afghanistan. Bombing Weddings and Abusing prisoners were not exactly the remit of religion in Jesus`s Message. Maybe the Barbarity is in us, rather than the religions we profess to defend.

Keep your prejudices for board where they mean something.

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Wajahat,

Do you have any idea of Arjun`s religion or lack thereof ? How do you know for sure
that he`s not a member of a revealed religion ?

``.....Godra Setup by the RSS``...I am still a little unclear about Godhra. Perhaps you
can reveal to us how RSS set the whole thing up.

I somehow worry that a muslim candidate who wins on overtly muslim (issues felt as relevent by muslims but not necessarily by others) issues may not represent other constituents well.

#30 PZ

I will avoid using and i quote ``use big phrases you dont understand`` as your intellectual superiority and moral authority will out weigh anything I say. But I will be honest and non Politically correct, a religion like Islam allows us to have kinship with every other person in the fold of Islam anywhere in this world, this is specially relevant to all those who are subject to attrocities and mass genocides.

India and Hinduism in India is only an Indian Phenonmenon. I do not consider it a Prophetic religion as borne out of mythology and God (an argument I dont want to get into). Due to the tenets of Islam, I respect Hinduism as a religion and Hindus as offsprings to a great history and heritage, however, when arjun asks me why I feel so perturbed over Murdered Iraqis and proposes that I should really be concentrating on the perils of Muslims in Middle England, I digress. Muslims anywhere in this world, are my problem, because I make it my problem, because I feel their pain and suffering but am helpless like so many others in this world.

Just like every Liberal indian shakes there head atleast and has an inkling that Muslims in Gujrat deserved everything that happened to them because of the Godra Setup by the RSS. We too feel for our brothers in distant lands and rationality, or non prejudiced rationality leaves us and we know who we will side with.

And just as a matter of interest, I do consider Said and Dubois as heroes and great men.

#17 by asgand on May 24, 2004 2:37pm PT

``Secular India, what a joke. The proper term is Hindu India.``

Oh, now you get it.

``Just pull out a 100 rupee Indian note and look at the four faced (one face not visible) lion. To my understanding the Lion pertains to Hindu religion.``

You`re right. ``The Lion King`` was actually funded by Hindu nationalist organisations. Sri Lanka is a Hindu state, not Sinhalese, which is why they use a lion on their flag. The Cameroon soccer team came to be dubbed ``lions`` only after a visit by Mahesh Yogi to Yaounde, and their subsequent mass conversion to Hinduism.

``Now look at the Indian Flag.``
Yeah, do that. See that ugly strip of green across the bottom? did you perchance imagine it represented the environment?

``And how come when I call the Indian consulate in USA I hear ``Namaskar.`` If India is secular then why not just Good Morning as in USA. Don`t tell me is Namasker is secular term.``

You got me. The guy who wished you ``Namaskar`` is a RAW agent, specially placed to spread terror and mayhem through the use of subversive words and gestures. Be on the lookout for a friendly smile or a wave godbye next time you`re at the embassy. More subversion!

``In USA you will find secularism at its best. Gay marraiges in USA are now legal since the majority voted for the measure and won.``
The point being- are RELIGIOUS homos allowed to tie the knot? If yes, then sorry- your country fails the secularism test.

``So India might be an example of democracy but secularism is quite another thing.``
Yes, I am afraid we have a long long way to go before we catch up with the progressive Pakistanis and Saudis.

wajahat #27

Maybe this is what it means to belong to a prophetic religion

I have made this request before. Talk what you want of your own barbaric religion but please DO NOT associate Christianity with it. There is nothing in common with a religion of oppression, bloodshed and murder and one of love for mankind. Christians do not think like your sort. Thank you.

Dear Chowk readers,

First of all let me thank you for the kind attention and the overwhelming response, you have paid to my article on Chowk on British politics.
Some comments deserves replying. One suggests that the British Pakistani/Kashmiri community is lagging far behind several other ethnic communities in education, earning, health, etc. They should focus on these issues instead of wasting their energies on Iraq.
I quite agree with that suggestion. The Pakistani/Kashmiri community does need to focus on more local issues to raise their profile as an ethnic community in the UK.
No matter what is our view, the fact remains that the single biggest vote-puller in the June 10 elections will be Iraq war - not only for the Muslim voters.
Another interactor suggested that my article sounds like a pamphlet for the Labour Party.
The truth is far from it. I don’t take sides when writing. In my article, I have simply tried to lay out the facts before the readers.
It is a fact that the Pakistani/Kashmiri vote can affect the result of around 40 seats in the general elections.
The political parties are fully aware of this fact and are trying to lure the Pakistani/Kashmiri voters.
Parties other than Labour are harping on the Iraq theme to win over the Muslim, Pakistani/Kashmiri voters who have traditionally been Labour votes.
Now Labour is the only party which has ever had any Muslim MPs. For the next general elections, up to now, it has selected three candidates from safe seats, which means come next elections, we may see five Pakistani/Kashmiri MPs - all from Labour.
None of the other parties, despite all their efforts to win over the Pakistani/Kashmiri community, has selected any Pakistani/Kashmiri candidate from a safe seat, which in a way, reflects the hollowness of their overtures.

#31 by nikki7777

FOB fresh of the boat immigrant
ABCD american born confused desi
ABCDEFG ABCD emmigrated from gujrat
PIGS poor indian grad student

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If anyone wants to know why British Pakistanis are going to Israel to blow themselves up, going to Karachi to help decapitate Jewish journalists, and plot to explode vans loaded with explosives in the heart of London, they need look no further than Wajahats posts....

Wajahat


Hello.

~~I wouldnt expect you to understand arjun as religion nurtured in the isolation of a single country is ...well... your religion~~

Please explain and elucidate your thesis on what is lacking in the indigenous religions of India and the principles and masses of philosophical and spiritual insights that are wanting due to the ``isolation`` of India despite India having absorbed every single religious and spiritual philosophy and movement at some point in its history becoming a most fertile home for all metaphysical and spiritual quests and having scholars pandits saints gurus maulvis and priests that have attained the highest expressions and investigations of religious truths and have not only maintained that great intellectual/spiritual ferment within its boundaries but has given birth to religions/philosophies that have spread outside its borders and regenerated itself through constant and historical corrective religious movements and reformations including the secular rejection of inimical social practice in the modern world.

Please make reference to all the religions of India starting with Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, Zorastrianism, Indian Islam, Indian Christianity, Animistic Belief Systems.

Let us know your thought, oh son of Edward Said and WEB Dubois whose heart bleeds for the third world.

(One thing I have noticed in the discourse of Islamists like you is how closely your descriptions and perceptions of non western non Islamic cultures and religions is similar and imitative of ``Orientalist`` discourse as examined by Edward Said, the pomposity of those who come out with phrases like: wouldnt expect you to understand arjun as religion nurtured in the isolation of a single country is ...well... your religion)

Hurry up and answer and dont trip over your tongue and use big phrases you dont understand like you usually do this time.

#15 arjun m

Maybe this is what it means to belong to a prophetic religion, I wouldnt expect you to understand arjun as religion nurtured in the isolation of a single country is ...well... your religion. Maybe you should tell this to your brothers in gujarat who felt so much for their brothers in Godra.

Sheryar

~~Around most campuses in US I visited as a grad student, I was told ``never ever work with a chinese or indian``. What does that tell you?~~

I dont know Sheryar, what does it tell us? Please elucidate. Next we can do a survey about general attitudes towards Pakistanis and Muslims on American campuses and you will no doubt the truth of them? What will that tell you?

~Many of my American friends who are fond of indian food and clothing have very poor opinions about Indian people in general. ~

Right. So they are pompous bigots like you. Congratulations for hanging out with pompous white bigots.

~~Do you think that Indians would ever be so gracious to Pakistanis? Never. Why? Because Indians are too arrogant and malicious by nature.~~

You are a pompous and malicious bigot making generalisations yourself. What a lapdog, sucking on the ass cheeks of white men for the affirmation of his prejudices! Congratulations! ;-)

~~The only religious minority that enjoys favor in India is christians. Otherwise, its basically a hindu land~~

Nobody does Christians any favours in India, they just get on with their lives.

Please come out with some more pomposities so I can laugh at you, thanks.

;-)