Catharsis of Iraq War

My Dear friend I was really impressed with your opinion about US and its values, a pig does not become a gentleman by putting on a 3 piece suit and a tie. The war history of Americans is littered with the bloodshed of innocent Native Americans (Red Indians as we know them), what US did in Abu Ghuraib Prison was not unexpected, you want proof go check out Veitnam war and the cruelities that were carried out by the Civilized US Troops.What do you think Americans as a whole are civilized nation, my friend will you be surprised if I told you what is an ALABAMA VIRGIN is? ALABAM VIRGIN is a 12 year old girl who can outrun his elder brother`s rape attempts. So if 60 % of population has this level morality what do you expect from them.

My friend the US is not what it says to the world, it is the most cruel and self serving society and to expect humanity and moral behaviour is foolish, and what happened in Iraq should be an eye opener for us and the Muslim world

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Saminasha #41
Accusing me implicitly or explicitly of racism may fit your definition of restraint, but it does not fit mine. I wish you well too.

Sadna,

I have read the pieces you posted. I made my comments. I have also remained pretty restrained in my posts to you. I would request that you do the same. If this is not something you can do, I wish you well.

regards,

Sadna,

That would be a kind of censorship I dont support.

Saminasha #37
``Can you leave me out of the racist baby killer debate? ``

Uh Saminasha, can you leave me out of the racist neocon debate?

I have posted all I wanted to on the subject, which clearly you did not read. I suggest you contact the Boston Herald and Newsweek about the articles and their titles. If you do not like those articles being posted here, ask chowk staff to delete them.

whoops-

NOT disputing your framing of the article

Uh Sadna,

Can you leave me out of the racist baby killer debate?

And I`m disputing your framing of the article-I`m defending the deconstruction of the title, which you perceive as innocuous. That doesnt make my reading of the piece ``less intelligent`` than yours....in fact, I think that several people would back up my reading of the title...and whole scholarly papers are often built on single sentences...(and if you make fun of liberal arts, then I`ll know you really are a science elitist)

Words/phases/references/puns are text open to as much deconstruction as any thing else is. Tell you what; I`ll show ten Americans this article this weekend and report their responses on Monday.

Here are my questions:

1. Please read the title of the article. What, if any, inferences do you make from it.
2. Please read the text of the article. What are your conclusions?

Okay? No winking or suggestive gesturing will be involved. Nor will I offer stingy bribes or coach response... I`ll be ethical in a way that the Bush Administration has never dreamed of. You`ve got to start somewhere...

And Arjun Sahib, just to please you, I`ll ask a broad cross section of Americans of varying formal education backgrounds and races. But I`ll make a point of asking one working class Indian...

I was going through the Amnesty International Report 2004. It seems that the global war against terrorism is causing more terror for innocent people than terrorism itself. From Far East to South Asia to EU to USA, every state is using terrorism as an excuse to detain and torture people without any formal charges. Just like nothing can justify the 9/11 attacks, nothing can justify this witch-hunt either. I don’t see much sanity prevailing in middle of the media hype created over terrorism and the war which is being fought like a reality show on TV.

vertex:

quite honestly no. i cannot explain sadna`s motivations for bringing that article here in the first place. the topic of aafia siddiqui was being vigorously discussed between indians and pakistanis elsewhere on this site. apparently it is okay if a pakistani muslim should bring up the subject of aafia siddiqui but anyone else. . .it is baiting and cyber rage?

i am not defending the title, or the article itself. and i believe that even if reports should be made regarding POTENTIAL or ALLEGED suspects as fingered by the oh so reliable Khalid Shaikh Mohammad, the media fails to carry out its `objective` mission when reporting such news.

but to reduce any remark sadna says to `her blind rage against pakistanis and muslims` is not a very well-thought out remark in and of itself. if you don`t agree with that statement, that`s fine, but consider the fact that some of your remarks could easily be construed as blind rage towards something as well. as a matter of fact, they do. think about that one.

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nooralain,

Can we bring up the question as to why in the blue blazes the article was posted in the first place, out of the blue, out of context...and out of place? Public service announcement? Gee, how nice.

Please answer that question...and if anything other than ``baiting`` doesn`t come to mind, I will be keen to know...and yes, `baiting`/`trolling` is a form of cyber-rage.

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Can we judge an article by it`s title? Well, we can certainly judge an author by references to what are clearly racist references in said article. What is sad is that this women, who the FBI wishes to question, has all of a sudden reached alleged ``key alQuaeda`` status through the media...at the very least they could point out how odd it would be for a women to be a `key` member in this particular organization...

The Daily Times Pakistan:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_28-5-2004_pg1_6
Online adds: However, intelligence sources told Online that Aafia was already in the custody of US intelligence agencies for the last one year.

They said Aafia had come to Pakistan in January last year and stayed with her friend in Islamabad for a few days and later went to Karachi to see her mother. Soon after landing at Karachi airport she was picked up by intelligence personnel and handed over to the FBI.

Aafia’s mother confirmed her daughter’s arrest, saying she was asked to keep quiet over the matter. She was told that it would not be good for her daughter if she reported the incident, she added. She denied that her daughter was linked to any jehadi outfit. Aafia was married to a US-based Pakistani doctor and had three children. She was later divorced, her mother added.

Ms Siddiqui’s family is friends with Senate Chairman Muhammadmian Soomro.



Now who is lying, the hanood who posts this here, the Daily Times, Pakistani intelligence agencies or the FBI ? My guess is the Muslim-hating hanood and the Muslim-hating FBI are lying.

IMO, it seems the Pakistani government is playing a dangerous game of chicken with US on one side and US`s enemies on the other, putting the Pakistani nation at risk of retaliation from either side.

But being a Muslim- and Pakistani- hater, what else will I say. So - whatever!