Trashy Pakistanis
Faiza Hussain June 1, 2004
#28 Posted by prk on July 3, 2005 9:40:17 am
FH:
You have truly an artist`s mind. Who would have imagined you could be so inventive with your ideas. I thought of Pakistani trash in the same way as one would think of ``White Trash``. I thought you meant Countrymen (shall we excuse women?) who do not know of Asma Jahangir or someone like her. I separate Pakistanis into two. Those who know of Asma and those who have never heard of her. I am amazed that you come across some of the latter in the USA as well. The essay itself is really nicely done. Perhaps you could have cut-out some parts with reference to BJP etc. out to make it perfect (for style as well as substance).
Good reading and great Title.
PRK.
You have truly an artist`s mind. Who would have imagined you could be so inventive with your ideas. I thought of Pakistani trash in the same way as one would think of ``White Trash``. I thought you meant Countrymen (shall we excuse women?) who do not know of Asma Jahangir or someone like her. I separate Pakistanis into two. Those who know of Asma and those who have never heard of her. I am amazed that you come across some of the latter in the USA as well. The essay itself is really nicely done. Perhaps you could have cut-out some parts with reference to BJP etc. out to make it perfect (for style as well as substance).
Good reading and great Title.
PRK.
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#27 Posted by faizahussain on June 8, 2004 3:38:11 pm
#26 Pardaisi Ji
That was moi being facetious to the nth degree:) To tell you the truth, I have yet to understand why some ppl are so obsessed with Jihadis/Islam/Evil Pakistan, etc that they somehow bring them up without any reason. The issue being discussed was trash and somehow trash reminded good old Jay of Jihadis.
Hello Omar Sahib
Hope you are doing well. You are correct regarding the article that was rejected by Dawn ealier, no hard feelings:) To save you from future migraines, dont feel obligated to answer ppl who suffer from narrow mindedness and age old prejudices, racism, etc. Take care, I am sure there are better things in life for which you can utilize your time.
Hello Jay
Well so any updates on the Jihadis since you seem to be more in touch with them than us:) Ciao
That was moi being facetious to the nth degree:) To tell you the truth, I have yet to understand why some ppl are so obsessed with Jihadis/Islam/Evil Pakistan, etc that they somehow bring them up without any reason. The issue being discussed was trash and somehow trash reminded good old Jay of Jihadis.
Hello Omar Sahib
Hope you are doing well. You are correct regarding the article that was rejected by Dawn ealier, no hard feelings:) To save you from future migraines, dont feel obligated to answer ppl who suffer from narrow mindedness and age old prejudices, racism, etc. Take care, I am sure there are better things in life for which you can utilize your time.
Hello Jay
Well so any updates on the Jihadis since you seem to be more in touch with them than us:) Ciao
#26 Posted by Pardaisi on June 8, 2004 9:02:09 am
#8 Faizahussain
you said ``Hello Jay - I am truly perturbed to know that a person of your good literary taste...`` how did you come to the conclusion?
He may have a good taste as you said but with his hate filled posts he looses his good literary & academic achievements. But when it comes to Pakistan he acts like he never read or learned anything in his life.
Sad state for Jay.
you said ``Hello Jay - I am truly perturbed to know that a person of your good literary taste...`` how did you come to the conclusion?
He may have a good taste as you said but with his hate filled posts he looses his good literary & academic achievements. But when it comes to Pakistan he acts like he never read or learned anything in his life.
Sad state for Jay.
#25 Posted by faizahussain on June 7, 2004 8:38:17 pm
Hello M.B. Isphahani
Sorry for the allusion; it was unintentional on my part but I do apologize.
Hello Khurramtm
Thanks for reading, I wasnt really providing any solutions just trying to point out something uncivil that we do all the time. Perhaps creating awareness may lead to someone coming up with solutions.
Hello Garam_Chai
Thanks for reading and posting. I think we should distance ourselves from being business minded and start more of a voluntary service to clean up the mess that we have created. And I know living in the US I have no right to tell those in Pakistan to clean up on volunteer bases but just a suggestion; perhaps I might do the same someday:)
Jay and omar will respond in next post
Sorry for the allusion; it was unintentional on my part but I do apologize.
Hello Khurramtm
Thanks for reading, I wasnt really providing any solutions just trying to point out something uncivil that we do all the time. Perhaps creating awareness may lead to someone coming up with solutions.
Hello Garam_Chai
Thanks for reading and posting. I think we should distance ourselves from being business minded and start more of a voluntary service to clean up the mess that we have created. And I know living in the US I have no right to tell those in Pakistan to clean up on volunteer bases but just a suggestion; perhaps I might do the same someday:)
Jay and omar will respond in next post
#24 Posted by omar_r_quraishi on June 7, 2004 7:31:48 am
faiza not my dawn by the way -- no one`s dawn -- and what you experienced is normal -- newspapers can turn down things and accept others -- that happens to our own in-house writers too -- not a big deal but for a freelance writer it can be disconcerting -- prob one reason why what you wrote on land reforms was not taken might have been because its such a large topic compared to what you have written about here --
nikki man i told ya SHUDDUP -- dude if that turns you on then what can i say
jay -- like i said before and each post of yours only reinforces that impression -- u r a moron -- dude i wasnt even born when bhutto took office or said that eat grass remark -- the reason i also say that you`re a moron is that yes actually i do think and have said it as such and written that the root cause of our problems is our support for jihadis -- but u know what jay i dont think i need to explain myself to morons -- ta ta -- this writer isnt trying to pretend any thing, certainly not the crap u talk about, all she`s writing about is how people throw trash everywhere and what people can do about it -- dude there`s no link to jiahids in that -- GET THAT ! as for writing on abdus salam you moron, i wrote his obituary when he died -- it made the second lead of the paper -- front page !
nikki man i told ya SHUDDUP -- dude if that turns you on then what can i say
jay -- like i said before and each post of yours only reinforces that impression -- u r a moron -- dude i wasnt even born when bhutto took office or said that eat grass remark -- the reason i also say that you`re a moron is that yes actually i do think and have said it as such and written that the root cause of our problems is our support for jihadis -- but u know what jay i dont think i need to explain myself to morons -- ta ta -- this writer isnt trying to pretend any thing, certainly not the crap u talk about, all she`s writing about is how people throw trash everywhere and what people can do about it -- dude there`s no link to jiahids in that -- GET THAT ! as for writing on abdus salam you moron, i wrote his obituary when he died -- it made the second lead of the paper -- front page !
#23 Posted by omar_r_quraishi on June 7, 2004 7:31:47 am
Death of a genius
and by the way jay -- have you written anything in favour of the dalits or against the gujarat riots -- plz post that if you have --
DAWN, Friday 22 November 1996, Karachi, Pakistan
Omar R. Quraishi
KARACHI, Nov. 21: Dr Abdus Salam, Pakistan`s internationally renowned scientist and scholar, died early on Thursday morning at his home in Oxford, England after a prolonged illness. He was the country`s only Nobel Prize laureate having won the world`s most prestigious award honouring scholarly achievement which he won in 1979.
His relatives in Karachi said he would have been 70 years old this coming Jan 29.
Dr Salam`s sister told Dawn that contrary to what had been popularly thought, Dr Salam was born in the small village of Santok Das in Sahiwal district, and not in Jhang. She said they were seven brothers and she was the only sister.
Dr Salam is survived by a Pakistani wife by whom he had three daughters and a son, and an English wife by whom he had one son and one daughter.
Dr Salam`s body will arrive in Lahore early Sunday morning and will be taken by relatives to Faisalabad and then onwards to Rabwah for burial. His sister said it was in his will that he be buried in Rabwah where their parents lay to rest.
Dr Salam`s brilliant academic and scholarly career was capped in 1979 when he won the Nobel Prize for Physics for work in particle physics — for ``the prediction of the unification of the electromagnetic with the weak nuclear force.``
Dr Salam was chief scientific advisor to the president of Pakistan from 1961 to 1974 and was the founder-chairman of the Pakistan Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Committee (SUPARCO). He was awarded Sitara-i-Pakistan and the Pride of Performance Medal in 1959, and the Order of Nishan-i-Imtiaz, Pakistan`s highest civilian honour, in 1979.
In 1957, Dr Salam founded and headed the Theoretical Physics Department at the Imperial College of Science and Technology in London and stayed in that position till 1993. Before that, at the age of 25, he became head of the department of mathematics at Punjab University, from 1951 to 1954.
In 1964, Dr Salam founded and became director of the International Centre for Theoretical Physics (established with the support of the International Atomic Energy Agency of UNESCO and of the Italian government).
Dr Salam was a brilliant student throughout his academic life earning the top position in every exam at Punjab University. In 1946 he won the prestigious Foundation Scholarship to the University of Cambridge where he studied mathematics and physics at St John`s College. He achieved a Double first in both subjects, winning the Wrangler Prize in Mathematics. He got a PhD in Theoretical Physics and did much of his research at the university`s Cavendish Laboratories. In 1950, he was awarded Smith`s Prize by Cambridge for ``the most outstanding pre-doctoral contribution to Physics.``
From 1954 to 1956 he lectured at Cambridge and was elected Fellow of St John`s College from 1951 to 1956. In 1958, Dr Salam won the Hopkins Prize and the Adams Prize. In 1961 he became the first recipient of the Maxwell Medal and Award of the Physical Society, London. Three years later, he was awarded the Hughes Medal by the Royal Society, London. In 1965, Dr Salam gave the prestigious Scott Lectures at Cavendish Laboratories in Cambridge. In 1971 he won the J. Robert Oppenheimer Memorial Medal and Prize from the University of Miami and in 1976 the Guthrie Medal and Prize from the Institute of Physics in London.
In a short seven-year period from 1977 to 1983, Dr Salam won awards from the Calcutta University, the Accademia Nazionale di XL in Rome, the American Institute of Physics, the Royal Society, the Einstein Medal from UNESCO, from the Indian Physics Association, from the USSR Academy of Sciences and the Czechoslovak Academy of Sciences.
Dr Salam also received awards from Italy, Bangladesh and from the Charles University in Prague for his efforts for the promotion of world peace. He was a fellow of the Royal Society, London, the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, the Pakistan Academy of Sciences and an honorary fellow of the Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Bombay. In 1983 Dr Salam founded the Third World Academy of Sciences and in 1986 he was elected Honorary Life Fellow of the London Physical Society.
He was one of the few foreign members of the influential American Academy of Arts and Sciences, the USSR Academy of Sciences, the Accademia Nazionale de Lincei in Rome, the European Academy of Science, Art and Humanities, and several other such organisations in Iraq, South Korea, Morocco, Bangladesh, Portugal, Poland, Ghana, Guatemala, Sweden and Venezuela.
Dr Salam was awarded honorary Doctor of Science degrees by 36 universities in 23 different countries. These institutions included his alma mater the Cambridge and Punjab Universities, as well as the University of Goteborg in Sweden, the University of Exeter, the University of Peking, University of Glasgow and the Punjab University.
Several foundations were created by Dr Salam using the monetary benefits that accrued to him as part of these awards.
and by the way jay -- have you written anything in favour of the dalits or against the gujarat riots -- plz post that if you have --
DAWN, Friday 22 November 1996, Karachi, Pakistan
Omar R. Quraishi
KARACHI, Nov. 21: Dr Abdus Salam, Pakistan`s internationally renowned scientist and scholar, died early on Thursday morning at his home in Oxford, England after a prolonged illness. He was the country`s only Nobel Prize laureate having won the world`s most prestigious award honouring scholarly achievement which he won in 1979.
His relatives in Karachi said he would have been 70 years old this coming Jan 29.
Dr Salam`s sister told Dawn that contrary to what had been popularly thought, Dr Salam was born in the small village of Santok Das in Sahiwal district, and not in Jhang. She said they were seven brothers and she was the only sister.
Dr Salam is survived by a Pakistani wife by whom he had three daughters and a son, and an English wife by whom he had one son and one daughter.
Dr Salam`s body will arrive in Lahore early Sunday morning and will be taken by relatives to Faisalabad and then onwards to Rabwah for burial. His sister said it was in his will that he be buried in Rabwah where their parents lay to rest.
Dr Salam`s brilliant academic and scholarly career was capped in 1979 when he won the Nobel Prize for Physics for work in particle physics — for ``the prediction of the unification of the electromagnetic with the weak nuclear force.``
Dr Salam was chief scientific advisor to the president of Pakistan from 1961 to 1974 and was the founder-chairman of the Pakistan Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Committee (SUPARCO). He was awarded Sitara-i-Pakistan and the Pride of Performance Medal in 1959, and the Order of Nishan-i-Imtiaz, Pakistan`s highest civilian honour, in 1979.
In 1957, Dr Salam founded and headed the Theoretical Physics Department at the Imperial College of Science and Technology in London and stayed in that position till 1993. Before that, at the age of 25, he became head of the department of mathematics at Punjab University, from 1951 to 1954.
In 1964, Dr Salam founded and became director of the International Centre for Theoretical Physics (established with the support of the International Atomic Energy Agency of UNESCO and of the Italian government).
Dr Salam was a brilliant student throughout his academic life earning the top position in every exam at Punjab University. In 1946 he won the prestigious Foundation Scholarship to the University of Cambridge where he studied mathematics and physics at St John`s College. He achieved a Double first in both subjects, winning the Wrangler Prize in Mathematics. He got a PhD in Theoretical Physics and did much of his research at the university`s Cavendish Laboratories. In 1950, he was awarded Smith`s Prize by Cambridge for ``the most outstanding pre-doctoral contribution to Physics.``
From 1954 to 1956 he lectured at Cambridge and was elected Fellow of St John`s College from 1951 to 1956. In 1958, Dr Salam won the Hopkins Prize and the Adams Prize. In 1961 he became the first recipient of the Maxwell Medal and Award of the Physical Society, London. Three years later, he was awarded the Hughes Medal by the Royal Society, London. In 1965, Dr Salam gave the prestigious Scott Lectures at Cavendish Laboratories in Cambridge. In 1971 he won the J. Robert Oppenheimer Memorial Medal and Prize from the University of Miami and in 1976 the Guthrie Medal and Prize from the Institute of Physics in London.
In a short seven-year period from 1977 to 1983, Dr Salam won awards from the Calcutta University, the Accademia Nazionale di XL in Rome, the American Institute of Physics, the Royal Society, the Einstein Medal from UNESCO, from the Indian Physics Association, from the USSR Academy of Sciences and the Czechoslovak Academy of Sciences.
Dr Salam also received awards from Italy, Bangladesh and from the Charles University in Prague for his efforts for the promotion of world peace. He was a fellow of the Royal Society, London, the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, the Pakistan Academy of Sciences and an honorary fellow of the Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Bombay. In 1983 Dr Salam founded the Third World Academy of Sciences and in 1986 he was elected Honorary Life Fellow of the London Physical Society.
He was one of the few foreign members of the influential American Academy of Arts and Sciences, the USSR Academy of Sciences, the Accademia Nazionale de Lincei in Rome, the European Academy of Science, Art and Humanities, and several other such organisations in Iraq, South Korea, Morocco, Bangladesh, Portugal, Poland, Ghana, Guatemala, Sweden and Venezuela.
Dr Salam was awarded honorary Doctor of Science degrees by 36 universities in 23 different countries. These institutions included his alma mater the Cambridge and Punjab Universities, as well as the University of Goteborg in Sweden, the University of Exeter, the University of Peking, University of Glasgow and the Punjab University.
Several foundations were created by Dr Salam using the monetary benefits that accrued to him as part of these awards.
#22 Posted by omar_r_quraishi on June 7, 2004 7:31:47 am
Bihar overlooked by `Shining India`
Jill McGivering
BBC South Asia correspondent
Violence and political corruption are troubling India`s general election, which is again highlighting the vast disparity between a poor underclass and a rich elite.
Praveen is a stout, cheerful woman, braving the chaos of cycle rickshaws and wobbling bicycles with a determined smile.
As megaphones blare, she stops one passer by after another, trying to persuade them to sign a petition.
It is election time - but her evangelical zeal is not for a particular party or candidate but for democracy itself.
Praveen and her colleagues are taking their lives in their hands, and not just in the traffic.
We are in Patna, capital of the state of Bihar, the notorious bad boy of Indian politics.
It has a reputation for violent and corrupt politicians, election fraud and an electorate that has largely abandoned hope.
Politicians have even been accused of fuelling the violence as a way of keeping caste loyalties strong
As part of an independent monitoring body, Praveen is trying to take the politicians to task.
The only other woman in sight is an emaciated beggar, cradling a sick child.
Scruffy youths hang about aimlessly, leaning on each other`s shoulders, teeth stained red with betel nut.
Informed decision
In this election and for the first time, Praveen tells me, every candidate must declare key information.
Their wealth. Their debts. And, crucially here, lists of criminal charges against them.
So far, about one in five faces criminal proceedings. She wants the public - many of them illiterate - to make an informed decision.
But even she falters when I ask her if what happens in Bihar is really democracy.
Bihar is an example of India at its worst, a largely hidden shame
She throws her head back and laughs. Finally saying: ``It`s democracy gone wrong.``
It is easy to understand why many here despair. Bihar is one of India`s poorest states, desperate for development.
Its villages have few schools and clinics, and terrible roads.
It is also deeply scarred by decades of caste conflict, an endless cycle of attacks and counter-attacks between Hindu communities.
They define themselves by the social and religious categories they assume at birth.
Politicians have even been accused of fuelling the violence as a way of keeping caste loyalties strong.
The campaign talk does not address these burning issues.
Many here, who bother to vote, will do so unthinkingly along caste lines.
We drove out along pot-holed tracks to a small village, scene of one of the latest caste murders.
Mistaken identity
Chando, a scrawny woman in her 50s, crouched on her haunches in the darkness of a mud-walled one room home, thick with flies.
Villagers pressed round to listen. She could barely speak for weeping, rubbing the heel of her hands back and forth across her face.
Her brother-in-law, she said, was shot dead a few weeks ago by a gang of upper caste men. A case of mistaken identity.
He was the sole breadwinner for two families. Would she vote in the election? She shook her head. What was the point?
On voting day, we saw short queues of government workers at some polling stations - but also groups of young men with sticks hanging around in the street.
The riot police were out in force but by the end of the day reports were coming in of intimidation by gangs, election violence, even deaths.
The new electronic voting machines just introduced are designed to stop fraud. But they even cannot do much about an entrenched culture of lawlessness.
Bihar is an example of India at its worst, a largely hidden shame.
Its poverty is worlds away from the modern face of India, the plush new shopping centres of the capital, Delhi.
Here, under spotless glass and chrome, the affluent middle classes stroll arm in arm, enjoying snacks and soft drinks, browsing the latest fashions and hi-tech gadgets.
Security guards on the doors keep out undesirable elements.
`India is Shining`
The middle classes, much emphasised nowadays, are really a tiny elite.
One in three Indians still does not get enough to eat.
But those middles classes are high profile and mostly solid supporters of the ruling party, the BJP.
The party`s feel good slogan, ``India is Shining`` was written with them in mind.
I meet a young couple, a dentist and a psychiatrist, strolling with their three year old son.
``Voting is very important``, the husband tells me, nodding sagely.
``It`s our duty. Democracy is of the people, by the people, for the people.``
I ask them if they think politicians get their priorities right when there`s still so much poverty? They look bemused.
``But the basic issues are being addressed``, they explain. ``India is shining.``
The husband pauses to think. ``Perhaps we need to emphasise family planning more,`` he says at last, ``because the poorer people are multiplying.``
By now their own son is getting fractious, clamouring for attention.
It will be a long time before he gets a vote, I say. What changes would they like to see by then?
We would definitely like more improvements, more development, they say.
``And more shopping centres like this,`` exclaims the wife, laughing, before they stroll off.
It is almost certain the India their son inherits will still have democracy.
It will also have many more air-conditioned shopping centres in its big cities.
No doubt he will spend many happy hours there. But will he ever, I wonder, visit the struggling state of Bihar?
And if he does, what changes, if any, would he find?
From Our Own Correspondent was broadcast on Saturday, 8 May, 2004 at 1130 BST on BBC Radio 4. Please check the programme schedules for World Service transmission times.
Story from BBC NEWS:
Jill McGivering
BBC South Asia correspondent
Violence and political corruption are troubling India`s general election, which is again highlighting the vast disparity between a poor underclass and a rich elite.
Praveen is a stout, cheerful woman, braving the chaos of cycle rickshaws and wobbling bicycles with a determined smile.
As megaphones blare, she stops one passer by after another, trying to persuade them to sign a petition.
It is election time - but her evangelical zeal is not for a particular party or candidate but for democracy itself.
Praveen and her colleagues are taking their lives in their hands, and not just in the traffic.
We are in Patna, capital of the state of Bihar, the notorious bad boy of Indian politics.
It has a reputation for violent and corrupt politicians, election fraud and an electorate that has largely abandoned hope.
Politicians have even been accused of fuelling the violence as a way of keeping caste loyalties strong
As part of an independent monitoring body, Praveen is trying to take the politicians to task.
The only other woman in sight is an emaciated beggar, cradling a sick child.
Scruffy youths hang about aimlessly, leaning on each other`s shoulders, teeth stained red with betel nut.
Informed decision
In this election and for the first time, Praveen tells me, every candidate must declare key information.
Their wealth. Their debts. And, crucially here, lists of criminal charges against them.
So far, about one in five faces criminal proceedings. She wants the public - many of them illiterate - to make an informed decision.
But even she falters when I ask her if what happens in Bihar is really democracy.
Bihar is an example of India at its worst, a largely hidden shame
She throws her head back and laughs. Finally saying: ``It`s democracy gone wrong.``
It is easy to understand why many here despair. Bihar is one of India`s poorest states, desperate for development.
Its villages have few schools and clinics, and terrible roads.
It is also deeply scarred by decades of caste conflict, an endless cycle of attacks and counter-attacks between Hindu communities.
They define themselves by the social and religious categories they assume at birth.
Politicians have even been accused of fuelling the violence as a way of keeping caste loyalties strong.
The campaign talk does not address these burning issues.
Many here, who bother to vote, will do so unthinkingly along caste lines.
We drove out along pot-holed tracks to a small village, scene of one of the latest caste murders.
Mistaken identity
Chando, a scrawny woman in her 50s, crouched on her haunches in the darkness of a mud-walled one room home, thick with flies.
Villagers pressed round to listen. She could barely speak for weeping, rubbing the heel of her hands back and forth across her face.
Her brother-in-law, she said, was shot dead a few weeks ago by a gang of upper caste men. A case of mistaken identity.
He was the sole breadwinner for two families. Would she vote in the election? She shook her head. What was the point?
On voting day, we saw short queues of government workers at some polling stations - but also groups of young men with sticks hanging around in the street.
The riot police were out in force but by the end of the day reports were coming in of intimidation by gangs, election violence, even deaths.
The new electronic voting machines just introduced are designed to stop fraud. But they even cannot do much about an entrenched culture of lawlessness.
Bihar is an example of India at its worst, a largely hidden shame.
Its poverty is worlds away from the modern face of India, the plush new shopping centres of the capital, Delhi.
Here, under spotless glass and chrome, the affluent middle classes stroll arm in arm, enjoying snacks and soft drinks, browsing the latest fashions and hi-tech gadgets.
Security guards on the doors keep out undesirable elements.
`India is Shining`
The middle classes, much emphasised nowadays, are really a tiny elite.
One in three Indians still does not get enough to eat.
But those middles classes are high profile and mostly solid supporters of the ruling party, the BJP.
The party`s feel good slogan, ``India is Shining`` was written with them in mind.
I meet a young couple, a dentist and a psychiatrist, strolling with their three year old son.
``Voting is very important``, the husband tells me, nodding sagely.
``It`s our duty. Democracy is of the people, by the people, for the people.``
I ask them if they think politicians get their priorities right when there`s still so much poverty? They look bemused.
``But the basic issues are being addressed``, they explain. ``India is shining.``
The husband pauses to think. ``Perhaps we need to emphasise family planning more,`` he says at last, ``because the poorer people are multiplying.``
By now their own son is getting fractious, clamouring for attention.
It will be a long time before he gets a vote, I say. What changes would they like to see by then?
We would definitely like more improvements, more development, they say.
``And more shopping centres like this,`` exclaims the wife, laughing, before they stroll off.
It is almost certain the India their son inherits will still have democracy.
It will also have many more air-conditioned shopping centres in its big cities.
No doubt he will spend many happy hours there. But will he ever, I wonder, visit the struggling state of Bihar?
And if he does, what changes, if any, would he find?
From Our Own Correspondent was broadcast on Saturday, 8 May, 2004 at 1130 BST on BBC Radio 4. Please check the programme schedules for World Service transmission times.
Story from BBC NEWS:
#21 Posted by jay on June 6, 2004 9:51:13 pm
Omar,
IT IS ALL A QUESTION OF RELEVANCE. iN KARACHI EDHI FOUNDATION COLLECTS TEN DEAD BODIES A DAY FROM THE STREETS, the police are picking up body parts from shia mosques, sorry they are not allowed to use that word, women are being killed in the name of honour and no police charges a case, shia doctors are killed and no one gets arrested.
BY talking about trash in the streets, the pakistanis are trying to pretend themselves to be a more civilised society, the type of problems that are talked about in the west, aesthetic garbage bins, mechanical lifts for garbage trucks, recycling of garbage etc.
Pakistan has bigger problems and no one dares o talk about it.
As an asst editor have you ever written about abdus salam, have you ever argued that the notion of jihad as individuals trying to find and kill infidels is the root cause of pak problems.
IT IS ALL A QUESTION OF RELEVANCE. iN KARACHI EDHI FOUNDATION COLLECTS TEN DEAD BODIES A DAY FROM THE STREETS, the police are picking up body parts from shia mosques, sorry they are not allowed to use that word, women are being killed in the name of honour and no police charges a case, shia doctors are killed and no one gets arrested.
BY talking about trash in the streets, the pakistanis are trying to pretend themselves to be a more civilised society, the type of problems that are talked about in the west, aesthetic garbage bins, mechanical lifts for garbage trucks, recycling of garbage etc.
Pakistan has bigger problems and no one dares o talk about it.
As an asst editor have you ever written about abdus salam, have you ever argued that the notion of jihad as individuals trying to find and kill infidels is the root cause of pak problems.
#20 Posted by jay on June 6, 2004 9:51:12 pm
Help us in garbage collection, says BMP
BANGALORE, DHNS:
The BMP authorities have urged members of the public to co-operate with the BMP in the door-to-door garbage collection campaign in the City.
Speaking at a workshop on Urban Eco Friendly Movements for Healthier Living, BMP (East) Health Officer C H Nagarabetta said surveys indicated that while 80 per cent co-operated, co-operation was not there from 20 per cent of people, who comprised working couples and those who were reluctant to dispose the garbage themselves and instead waited for their maid servants
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Above is a new item from deccan herald of today. It is from a city that exports 10 billion dollars in soft wares. Now take karachi. or let me give a news to the great Omar the most learned and patriotic pakistani.
There is news item, not in dawn, that agriclutural productivity i pakistan has declined in the last 4 years. The area under culti8vation has also declined except for cotton. Pakistan will need increasing food imports and famine like in north korea is not far away.
Omar can you write an editorial on the food situation in pakistan, except of course you are an admirer of Butto and wants the pakistanis to eat grass, now that they have the bomb.
BANGALORE, DHNS:
The BMP authorities have urged members of the public to co-operate with the BMP in the door-to-door garbage collection campaign in the City.
Speaking at a workshop on Urban Eco Friendly Movements for Healthier Living, BMP (East) Health Officer C H Nagarabetta said surveys indicated that while 80 per cent co-operated, co-operation was not there from 20 per cent of people, who comprised working couples and those who were reluctant to dispose the garbage themselves and instead waited for their maid servants
//////////////
Above is a new item from deccan herald of today. It is from a city that exports 10 billion dollars in soft wares. Now take karachi. or let me give a news to the great Omar the most learned and patriotic pakistani.
There is news item, not in dawn, that agriclutural productivity i pakistan has declined in the last 4 years. The area under culti8vation has also declined except for cotton. Pakistan will need increasing food imports and famine like in north korea is not far away.
Omar can you write an editorial on the food situation in pakistan, except of course you are an admirer of Butto and wants the pakistanis to eat grass, now that they have the bomb.
#19 Posted by Garam_Chai on June 6, 2004 7:03:54 pm
Faiza G
Your article is so true and sarcastic. Once me and my friends were thinking to start a business in pakistan. One of us came up with the idea to clean city using good technology and planning. My friend said that since there is so much trash, there is a great deal of business oportunity there. I wish our streets are as clean as our homes.
Keep up good work Faiza!!
Your article is so true and sarcastic. Once me and my friends were thinking to start a business in pakistan. One of us came up with the idea to clean city using good technology and planning. My friend said that since there is so much trash, there is a great deal of business oportunity there. I wish our streets are as clean as our homes.
Keep up good work Faiza!!
#18 Posted by khurramtm on June 6, 2004 11:41:15 am
A very good read but does not really do anything to help the situation. It is said that one man can make a difference...I say one man cant make a difference until he/she is in power to do something about it.
#2..me and my friends have also stopped our cars near ppl peeing & have honked & highlighted them in the dark but like u said...the flood cant be stopped :). One such sight was near the old sabzi mandi in karachi...ppl used to (i dont know if they still do) do the do (pun intended) on the road in the fast lane & I bet skunks would smell better than that particular road and all in front of our beloved sabzi mandi......vegetables anyone?
#2..me and my friends have also stopped our cars near ppl peeing & have honked & highlighted them in the dark but like u said...the flood cant be stopped :). One such sight was near the old sabzi mandi in karachi...ppl used to (i dont know if they still do) do the do (pun intended) on the road in the fast lane & I bet skunks would smell better than that particular road and all in front of our beloved sabzi mandi......vegetables anyone?
#17 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on June 5, 2004 9:41:50 am
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#15 Posted by faizahussain on June 4, 2004 9:18:26 am
Hello Omar Sahib
Your Dawn (if I may call it that) refused to publish one of my more serious articles about Land Reforms, thus it wasn`t even worth submitting this to them. However, my gibberish gets printed in a paper in Houston all the time, and I get my thirty three (just like that number) seconds of fame from that:)
Take care and thanks for stoping by. Shuddup just doesnt convey the same effect:)are we keeping it PG nowdays on Chowk front page?
Your Dawn (if I may call it that) refused to publish one of my more serious articles about Land Reforms, thus it wasn`t even worth submitting this to them. However, my gibberish gets printed in a paper in Houston all the time, and I get my thirty three (just like that number) seconds of fame from that:)
Take care and thanks for stoping by. Shuddup just doesnt convey the same effect:)are we keeping it PG nowdays on Chowk front page?
#14 Posted by omar_r_quraishi on June 3, 2004 11:38:11 pm
nikki man shuddup -- faiza why didnt u submit this to some newspaper instead , just wondering, i think it would have been easily published
#13 Posted by faizahussain on June 3, 2004 6:29:16 pm
Hello Adnan Sahib
Yes, Malyck Sahib is definitely hillarious. Thumbs up:)
A collective hello to Pardaisi, Omar Sahib, and Saman Sahiba
Please dont gang up on Jay, he is going to think its another jihadi conspiracy:)
Nikki7777
:) It`s time that we recognize the power of trash:)
Yes, Malyck Sahib is definitely hillarious. Thumbs up:)
A collective hello to Pardaisi, Omar Sahib, and Saman Sahiba
Please dont gang up on Jay, he is going to think its another jihadi conspiracy:)
Nikki7777
:) It`s time that we recognize the power of trash:)
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