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Textbook Questions

Omar R Quraishi June 9, 2004

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#49 Posted by jang on June 10, 2004 2:50:37 pm
#41 by ahmadzai
``Btw, at home, my family`s firm support to the present Government is exactly because ...``

i have seen this kind of language from many pakistani chowkies. is it common in pakistan for families to vote-support as a block? how does it work? does this mean neuclear family, extended family, clan or the whole jirga? is it also common in urban areas?
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#50 Posted by AhmadBilal on June 10, 2004 4:41:31 pm
#48 by arjun_m

Once the ``hunt`` in Pakistan is over, will they go home? :) You have to be too naïve to think that they will. Thanks.
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#51 Posted by plats8 on June 10, 2004 6:13:43 pm
Ahmadzai #44,

``Nawaz and BB did not have the guts to challenge militant minority.``

Again, not what you said. You said their ``populist agenda`` (which, by the way,
any democratically elected govt would have) would prohibit them from
chasing militants. Nothing to do with guts - this would actually mean that the
population doesn`t want them to confront militants. They`d have to respect this
mandate.


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#52 Posted by vertex on June 10, 2004 7:16:00 pm

arjun_m,
``Maybe you need to acquaint yourself with the logical fallacies...Or you can continue to live in denial.... ``

I suggest you review the ``Appeal to Force`` section...might makes right, hey nah?

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#53 Posted by arjun_m on June 10, 2004 8:43:48 pm
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#55 Posted by omar_r_quraishi on June 11, 2004 5:29:20 am
arjun: ``Let`s get one thing clear...Most Pakistanis don`t oppose the jihadi ideology....Most of the few trying to ``clean up`` the books are doing it because the textbooks give Pakiland a bad rep and makes their already-lookued-upon-as-terrorists existence in the US just a tad more uncomfortable....sure there are a few people who really believe in cleaning up the books for the right reasons, but most still believe in the jihadi ideology...If that weren`t true, you`d have read a lot more against it before 9/11....``

wow -- arjun m -- from paki-hater to now paki spokesman ... yeh kaisi hua ....
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#56 Posted by omar_r_quraishi on June 11, 2004 5:29:20 am
ahmadzai thanks yaar but yeh sirf website hai -- and i see no reason not to post such articles here -- at least im the lesser hypocrite, compared to the paki-haters who come on chowk --

jang reference where you said: ``Could you please post something regarding BJP saffronization. I mean real examples, so we can kind of compare whats the deal?`` -- DUDE R U FOR REAL -- india`s former science and technology minister Murli Manohar Joshi made it govt policy to re-write the textbooks, starting in UP and this was announced in large rallies all over northern india -- DUDE , were u sleeping at that time? what a question to ask!
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#57 Posted by Ahmadzai on June 11, 2004 6:03:16 am
Omar at # 55:

Yes you are right. I agree with you.

:-)
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#58 Posted by Ahmadzai on June 11, 2004 6:20:00 am
arjun:

So many posts one after the other? kiyun sulagg gai? But you are such a big baigharat that even though each single one of your ridicule on Pakistan is proven wrong with the passage of time, you always find a new event. Simply on historical facts you must rest assured that everything found against Pakistanis by the USA/Europe/India today will be proven wrong in the days to come. Also, rest assured that in whatever forum China and India find themselves today, Pakistan will follow in few years. Have this in writing from me.

Btw, I also understand your going ga ga on ``humiliation of Pakistanis`` e.g. in Macedonia. They did kill one innocent Indian Muslim also claiming that he was an Al Qaeda terrorist, right?.

Now go back to your copy and paste operation.

:-)
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#59 Posted by Ahmadzai on June 11, 2004 6:20:00 am
Plats at # 51:

Your understanding of the matter and subsequent reasonings and deductions are incorrect.
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#60 Posted by arjun_m on June 11, 2004 7:17:43 am
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#61 Posted by jang on June 11, 2004 9:50:43 am
#55 by omar_r_quraishi on June 11, 2004 5:29am PT

``DUDE R U FOR REAL -- india`s former science and technology minister Murli Manohar Joshi made it govt policy to re-write the textbooks, starting in UP and this was announced in large rallies all over northern india -- DUDE , were u sleeping at that time? what a question to ask! ``

Omar, again requesting specifics please. It will be great if you can cite examples that you find ``saffron`` or otherwise hateful. You are still using innuendo and what I am looking for is examples, as I could not find these myself. Perhaps articles which cite such examples?

Thanks
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#62 Posted by plats8 on June 11, 2004 9:50:43 am
Omar Quraishi #55,

``DUDE R U FOR REAL -- india`s former science and technology minister Murli
Manohar Joshi made it govt policy to re-write the textbooks, starting in UP and
this was announced in large rallies all over northern india -- DUDE , were u sleeping
at that time? what a question to ask!``

Making public announcements and it`s actual implementation are two entirely different
things. Joshi also wanted to insert Vedic Astrology or some such crap in university
curricula. I guess Jang is asking for real examples and quotes (from textbooks)
which show the change. A fair thing to ask, I`d say.

Ahmadzai #58,

Care to show me how it is incorrect ? I am merely pointing out the inconsistency in
your own post.
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#63 Posted by jang on June 11, 2004 10:42:34 am
Omar

Here is some stuff from NCERT (text book writing authority in india). This is what they accomplished during the previous BJP govt.

http://ncert.nic.in/histdebate/histindex.htm

Where do you read spewing of hatred? The list contains underlined ``deleted`` sections. You can certainly debate accuracy of the content, but that is a separate topic. NCERT also seems to be an open and transparent forum, where they post everything from actual letters etc and air the debate. Do you find this objectionable, if so why?

Thanks
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#64 Posted by Ralph on June 11, 2004 12:55:00 pm
In one country, hell breaks loose over giving students the option of learning astrology. In another, teaching of hatred is considered necessary part of religious indoctrination of students and a time-honored practice in schools.
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