Censoring Michael Moore

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Omar ji # 98 . . . inspite of this being a public website where both of us are amongst the few who use a true identity . . . inspite of the fact that you will probably get a ``Delhi only`` visa . . . inspite of the fact that it shall be a contravention of bilateral terms between our countries, as was my little walkabout in Pakistan with a specific `Pindi visa . . . inspite of all this, Sir, I shall surely take you walkabout to Jammu and Srinagar if desired . . . the risk will be ours combined and the rescue if required shall be mine . . . but with all this open forum discussion, if we get stopped at the border of Delhi, then so be it.

The above is basis an assumption that you carry a Pakistani passport only.

If, however, you carry any other passport, then Sir, Jammu & Srinagar and points beyond are wide open for you. Getting air tickets for Jammu, Srinagar and Leh is a wee bit difficult since the tourists are flooding in, but I shall overcome that too, for you.

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#94 by AlephNull

Of course, as usual, Romair will never reply to your post.

gujju: ``Listen quraishi (lower case deliberate , as always) , when I said you were a `cheap character` , it was based on the opinion that I have built of you after going through your drivel here on chowk.`` -- likewise -- i called u cheap in return too -- i assume being a bania is a sign of being cheap -- after all why else would u use that nick gujju -- are u telling me gujju also has a positive connotation ?


shri nikkijee: ``....hellbound...i read omar`s profile...so???...he still is in my view a narrow minded, india-jealous, latent islamic fundmental toady...maybe his experience in the west made him that way...who cares???...he`s just a shrill ,defensive dirt-digger, that`s what he is...his articles are so amateurish..`` -- replace india with pakistan in your post and islamic with hindu (RSS card carrying member) and the same applies to you --


rsridhar -- its ok, u dont have to give us a lengthy explanation on that -- at least i never said that the hindus in pakistan should go home -- if anything i have written stuff questioning the pakistan govt`s requirement that all students, even non-muslims, study islamiat in govt schools -- and recently we carried a letter, which i passed on myself, explaining the anguish of a hindu father who was asked by his son questions about why he was being made to study islamiat --

veeresh sahib -- where r u when i need u to answer some pressing questions -- can i walk about in jammu or srinagar ? could u arrange that when i visit delhi , could u huh ??

Romair

I don`t think I need or anyone else needs a character certificate from you to see whether one is hypocrite or not. I am not moving out of US because it will make me a non-hypocrite but because I fear that I will be persecuted for simply being what I am. Those who will still chose to remain in United States and criticize it as well, have my deepest respects because they are raising the voice of dissent right in front of the oppressor, which in the words of our Holy Prophet (pbuh) is the most exalted level of Jihad. The freedom of speech thing is just an illusion now as the events in past couple of years have attested. Many of those who have raised their voice of dissent have been charged with dubious charges and denied the due process; some of them are in detention camps with in US; others at Guantanomo Bay; and yet others in places like Afghanistan and Iraq. Thousands have migrated out of this country for fear of persecution as well. I have seen helpless humanity taking refuge in churches and synagogues in bone chilling cold, at the border cities of Michigan and New York State awaiting their entry into Canada to escape persecution. Some of those who raised their voice of dissent have been meted out the most inhuman treatment in these internment camps. It is an open secret now. This tells a lot about the character of American nation by the way they treat their most vulnerable and most helpless. So I do not see any hypocrisy in those who have courage to stay here. As a matter of fact, what I think hypocrisy is leaving and then continue speaking against oppressors from a safe distance.

Romair #71

{{I left the USA, and have decided to not go back. I gave up a green card, and a future citizenship, to start from scratch in another country. But now I say whatever I want, with a clear conscious. I think others like FOMC left also.}}

While you are castigating Urstruly for his supposed hypocrisy, how about considering your own situation. You live in a country, Canada, that has been a camp follower of the US in international relations for much of the last half-century, if not more. It subcontracted most of its defense to the US during the Cold War while acting as a loyal junior partner. It has participated in various US campaigns abroad such as the 1991 Gulf War and the current Afghan War, to the extent that Canadians have been killed by US forces in friendly fire incidents. It was even a junior partner in Somalia, where its men were involved in human rights abuses. Nobody need be fooled by the moralizing poses that Canadians occasionally strike. When push comes to shove, they fall in line with the US more often than not.

Canada’s economy is as tightly integrated with the US economy as that of any nation with a similarly sized population. This is all the more true since the 1989 passage of NAFTA. The US is Canada’s largest trading partner for both imports and exports. Those who live and work in Canada cannot avoid contributing to the US economy to a degree comparable with though less than American taxpayers.

{{You chose to move to America. You didn`t have to. Now for some strange reason, you are unwilling to leave it. You are living off it. And yet you consider it an evil empire.}}

Romair, you apparently continue to do business with companies in the US and travel there regularly. By all indications you too are living off the US. If you really want to have a clear conscience, you ought to leave Canada and move to a country where your economic interaction with the US is minimal. Otherwise you are as big a hypocrite as Urstruly.

Urstruly #76: ``Romair

The clear answer is that I have decided to leave US preferably by the end of this year.``

Fine. Point taken.

There is nothing wrong with hating America. I think there are a lot of people in the world who have legitimate reasons to hate America. America has screwed them thoroughly. This is what superpowers do to remain superpowers.

There is however, something wrong with hating America, as an entity, (this is different from hating one party in America, while still not hating it as an entity), and still trying to live there. That is hypocricy.

Since you are moving, then I would have to say you can hate it all you want, without falling into the hypocrite category.......If you don`t move, for whatever reason, then I am afraid, you will become a pretty big hypocrite.

Now, if we can extend this discussion furthur: how exactly were you conned? What happened, and how did you get stuck in the USA, by getting conned?

#85 by rsridhar

You have made some very interesting observations. Similarly, there seems to be no good reason for the great support for Pakistan in Bangladesh, keeping in mind the unfortunate incidents of 1971. Maybe these people do actually associate themselves more with their religion than their nationalities. Recently, I came across an Indian Muslim here, who after arguing that Pakistan should not cut defense budget said to me that Pakistan is the last hope for Indian Muslims. This came to me as a surprise because my understanding was that Indian Muslims (unlike Kashmiri Muslims) don’t really care about Pakistan and consider themselves Indians first. An independent survey may reveal some interesting statistics in this regard. Thanks.

Listen, those weren`t even of Indian origin, ok?

Interesting how excited some people get when 2 people are identified as Indians. No follow up even as to the veracity of the report.
You have Pakistanis charged for terrorism in literally dozens of countries. Now why is that?
Just because someone went and ogled Indian models doesn`t make him neutral. The world ogles Indian models, and quite rightly too!
Anyway, be happy about the ``censorship`` of Michael Moore. The thing is, he will be heard. Whcih is more than you can say for dissidents in some countries.

Michael moore is a lying propogandist. Yet another example..... In a recent interview with Playboy magazine, the liar said that Bill Oreilly is trying to get him killed therefore everybody should complain to FCC and have Bill Oreilly punished. While Bill Oreilly actually said on one his shows ``I will have Michael moore killed.... Yeah right``, the propagandist left out the ``yeah right`` part intentionally in his quotes to Playboy magazine. What a clever chutzpah indeed.

The ugly fat b@st@rd Micheal moore should know that no conservative in his right mind would like to have him killed. He is their their favorite whipping boy among the liberals. They are just too happy to see such ugly turd to be associated with the liberals.

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