Questions About Thursday’s Attack
Omar R Quraishi June 12, 2004
#46 Posted by veeresh on June 16, 2004 7:38:08 pm
Omar Sahib/44 - thank you for the information on the Serena Hotel package to Hunza/Gilgit . . . and I would very very dearly wish to go there. A Dutch couple I know, who travel all over the world as a sort of hobby, spent three months in that part of the world and came back with tales and photographs which still, years later, enthrall.
The only reason I posted the information on J&K hotel prices was to give you and others an idea of the costs involved. With the recent close co-operation between the Armed Forces of our countries now extending towards nullifying the same group of ``bad guys`` in position, we expect the 2004-2005 tourist season in J&K as well as Ladakh to exceed all expectations. As I mentioned previously, flights and railway bookings are sold out, sections of the Jammu - Srinagar railway line are ready way ahead of schedule, and railway wagons are being flown from Chennai to Srinagar to operate the Srinagar - Qazigund section even before it is linked to the national grid.
The Dal Lake is, finally, getting its ``life`` back (environmentally) and I have been meeting up with Kashmiri tour operators on notes towards a regular car rally into the Valley.
What am I saying, Omar ji?
What I am saying, Omar Sahib and others, is that Kashmir is about to stop ``bleeding`` the rest of India. Nothing is ever in a state of steady inertia in life. Perception and/or fact, the realities of life are that democracy assimilates, and a free media is a major part of that. The results we are seeing in Kashmir taday.
So if you REALLY want to wonder how and why a van full of bullet holes got away so easily in Karachi rush-hour traffic, then I would strongly suggest that the Pakistani media get real about reportage instead of pushing the same tired lines.
The gunmen have now returned to their homes. Sad to observe that you are their neighbours. Not us anymore. We are trying to move ahead.
To end, since what is happening in Karachi is like a replay of what we had in India, I quote from a recent article at Outlook:-
Not In My Name
What was the ostensible reason for targeting innocent tourists in Pahalgam? An Al-Nasreen spokesman apparently told PTI that the tourists were ``spreading vulgarity in the valley which they could not tolerate``. I think we must tell them what we cannot tolerate. Updates
SHABNAM ALI
zarra zarra mere kashmir kaa mehmaan nawaaz
raastoN ke pathroN ne bhii diyaa paanii mujhe
Chakbast
(Each small particle of my Kashmir is hospitable
Even the wayside stones provided water to me)
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20040614&fname=shabnam&sid=1
The only reason I posted the information on J&K hotel prices was to give you and others an idea of the costs involved. With the recent close co-operation between the Armed Forces of our countries now extending towards nullifying the same group of ``bad guys`` in position, we expect the 2004-2005 tourist season in J&K as well as Ladakh to exceed all expectations. As I mentioned previously, flights and railway bookings are sold out, sections of the Jammu - Srinagar railway line are ready way ahead of schedule, and railway wagons are being flown from Chennai to Srinagar to operate the Srinagar - Qazigund section even before it is linked to the national grid.
The Dal Lake is, finally, getting its ``life`` back (environmentally) and I have been meeting up with Kashmiri tour operators on notes towards a regular car rally into the Valley.
What am I saying, Omar ji?
What I am saying, Omar Sahib and others, is that Kashmir is about to stop ``bleeding`` the rest of India. Nothing is ever in a state of steady inertia in life. Perception and/or fact, the realities of life are that democracy assimilates, and a free media is a major part of that. The results we are seeing in Kashmir taday.
So if you REALLY want to wonder how and why a van full of bullet holes got away so easily in Karachi rush-hour traffic, then I would strongly suggest that the Pakistani media get real about reportage instead of pushing the same tired lines.
The gunmen have now returned to their homes. Sad to observe that you are their neighbours. Not us anymore. We are trying to move ahead.
To end, since what is happening in Karachi is like a replay of what we had in India, I quote from a recent article at Outlook:-
Not In My Name
What was the ostensible reason for targeting innocent tourists in Pahalgam? An Al-Nasreen spokesman apparently told PTI that the tourists were ``spreading vulgarity in the valley which they could not tolerate``. I think we must tell them what we cannot tolerate. Updates
SHABNAM ALI
zarra zarra mere kashmir kaa mehmaan nawaaz
raastoN ke pathroN ne bhii diyaa paanii mujhe
Chakbast
(Each small particle of my Kashmir is hospitable
Even the wayside stones provided water to me)
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20040614&fname=shabnam&sid=1
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#45 Posted by ZahraJ on June 16, 2004 9:45:50 am
Omar: From what I gather, you are used to slapping your reader with an editorial with little realization that they may differ with you. You do NOT know how to interact. Period. And, that`s when I suggested (a little indirectly and sarcastically) to think about introducing a discussion forum for Dawn where you can read different perspectives. Somehow, it seems that you are trying to impose Dawn as a holy book. Most of your interactions rely on ``we.`` Who is the ``we`` here? Do you represent Pakistan or the Pakistanis all over the world ? Get down from your high horse! You CAN only represent yourself. You are also trying to build an India vs. Pakistan thing on Chowk. Whenever you feel insecure, you run to hide behind Dawn. Whenever that is brought up, you start whining about getting personal. I sense some insecurity here. Whatever. I am least interested in your tactics to gain attention, but your desperation is very obvious. I do not read Dawn. Apparently, quite a few on Chowk are or have been on Dawn`s payroll and you want to remind them more than they want to acknowledge. It certainly highlights your professionalism! Please continue setting a superb example.
Lastly, I really like Garfield. In fact, I love Garfield. But there should be some difference between ``ferocious`` little cats and human beings. You missed the ``unspelled out`` point again. That`s fine. I understand your constant need to secure attention. Probably, Chowk`s Admin should provide you with your own corner on Chowk and you will be in peace.
Best Wishes.
Lastly, I really like Garfield. In fact, I love Garfield. But there should be some difference between ``ferocious`` little cats and human beings. You missed the ``unspelled out`` point again. That`s fine. I understand your constant need to secure attention. Probably, Chowk`s Admin should provide you with your own corner on Chowk and you will be in peace.
Best Wishes.
#44 Posted by omar_r_quraishi on June 16, 2004 7:09:58 am
tmk -- doesnt matter where i went -- my colleague -- editor at herald never went abroad to study and his english is great and so is several of my dawn colleagues, many of whom never went abroad -- and several schoolmates who did go abroad have english which isnt all that great -- you`re missing the point -- im not humouring her languagle skills but her inability to communicate what she is trying to say -- hence the suggestion to try urdu
shri harish jee -- here i am -- whats this nonsense about not showing up? -- ever heard of time difference shri harish jee?
shri veeresh jee -- thanks for the J&K info but no thanks -- incidentally serena hotels in pakistan is offering a pretty good package too -- 5 nights for Rs 15,000 -- two have to be in islamabad (a fine hotel) and three at their hotels either in hunza or gilgit --
veeresh sahib -- how typical of u -- yes i now remember saying that me and wife do plan to go up north but veeresh sahib when we have the time -- she teaches at a local business school while i am up to my ears in work -- and if and when we can squeeze it in july before our delhi trip we will do that -- but i never said that i would write about it an dpost it on chowk, did i veeresh sahib -- and by the way ever heard of a boss not letting u go on leave because other colleagues are away -- well that happens every summer in dawn too -- i dont know why u feel so slighted -- for u a slip means this ??? that i said i would go up north in pakistan and forgot that i said it -- wow !!! pathetic veeresh jee, pathetic --
zahraJ -- garfield is anything but ferocious and actually i love watching his cartoons (if there were time) :) --
shri harish jee -- here i am -- whats this nonsense about not showing up? -- ever heard of time difference shri harish jee?
shri veeresh jee -- thanks for the J&K info but no thanks -- incidentally serena hotels in pakistan is offering a pretty good package too -- 5 nights for Rs 15,000 -- two have to be in islamabad (a fine hotel) and three at their hotels either in hunza or gilgit --
veeresh sahib -- how typical of u -- yes i now remember saying that me and wife do plan to go up north but veeresh sahib when we have the time -- she teaches at a local business school while i am up to my ears in work -- and if and when we can squeeze it in july before our delhi trip we will do that -- but i never said that i would write about it an dpost it on chowk, did i veeresh sahib -- and by the way ever heard of a boss not letting u go on leave because other colleagues are away -- well that happens every summer in dawn too -- i dont know why u feel so slighted -- for u a slip means this ??? that i said i would go up north in pakistan and forgot that i said it -- wow !!! pathetic veeresh jee, pathetic --
zahraJ -- garfield is anything but ferocious and actually i love watching his cartoons (if there were time) :) --
#43 Posted by sadna on June 16, 2004 7:09:23 am
Questions about another attack.
On April 10, at a concert venue in Karachi where Sonu Nigam was to perform with others, a car bomb killed 2 and narrowly missed killing Sonu Nigam and his family.
He described it so ``At 10.15 in the night we were driving to the venue in a bus when the car in front of us blew up just 10 feet away. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. My family and singer Soumya Raoh who accompanied us, all rushed out of the bus thinking it could blow up in our face any moment. Zindagi mein pehli baar maut itne kareen se dekha hai. We could all be gone. Our home in Mumbai would’ve remained locked forever.``
http://sify.com/movies/bollywood/fullstory.php?id=13451663
The descriptions of events vary. Here is one version
``Before the explosion, the driver of the car jumped out and fled from the scene.
The explosion was so strong that the vehicle broke into pieces following a fire, the daily quoted eyewitnesses as saying.
A local resident, Farrukh Afandi, who was travelling near the car died and eight were injured. ``
http://www.hindu.com/2004/04/12/stories/2004041206151100.htm
My questions are,
1. Has the police identified who was behind the blast and who would want to kill people for a 3-hr music concert?
2.The fact that there has been no media follow up on police investigations- is this just incidental, or is there some other reason?
3. Was the blast arranged by a section of the security apparatus to make things difficult for another section of the security apparatus which explains 1 and 2?
On April 10, at a concert venue in Karachi where Sonu Nigam was to perform with others, a car bomb killed 2 and narrowly missed killing Sonu Nigam and his family.
He described it so ``At 10.15 in the night we were driving to the venue in a bus when the car in front of us blew up just 10 feet away. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. My family and singer Soumya Raoh who accompanied us, all rushed out of the bus thinking it could blow up in our face any moment. Zindagi mein pehli baar maut itne kareen se dekha hai. We could all be gone. Our home in Mumbai would’ve remained locked forever.``
http://sify.com/movies/bollywood/fullstory.php?id=13451663
The descriptions of events vary. Here is one version
``Before the explosion, the driver of the car jumped out and fled from the scene.
The explosion was so strong that the vehicle broke into pieces following a fire, the daily quoted eyewitnesses as saying.
A local resident, Farrukh Afandi, who was travelling near the car died and eight were injured. ``
http://www.hindu.com/2004/04/12/stories/2004041206151100.htm
My questions are,
1. Has the police identified who was behind the blast and who would want to kill people for a 3-hr music concert?
2.The fact that there has been no media follow up on police investigations- is this just incidental, or is there some other reason?
3. Was the blast arranged by a section of the security apparatus to make things difficult for another section of the security apparatus which explains 1 and 2?
#42 Posted by harish_hyd on June 15, 2004 10:04:07 pm
#37 by veeresh
[Omar Sahib, your slip shows so often, it has to be GOOD]
You just caught Omar by his beard. No wonder, he`s not gonna show up.
[Omar Sahib, your slip shows so often, it has to be GOOD]
You just caught Omar by his beard. No wonder, he`s not gonna show up.
#41 Posted by Tmk on June 15, 2004 1:16:43 pm
Dear Sumaiyya,
I don`t hold any grudge against you because i don`t know you. I could have phrased my sentences in a more polite manner and am sorry if i offended you.
You raise a good point about the lack of trust in government in Pakistan. And i don`t blame you for that considering Pakistan`s successive governments.
Best,
Tmk
I don`t hold any grudge against you because i don`t know you. I could have phrased my sentences in a more polite manner and am sorry if i offended you.
You raise a good point about the lack of trust in government in Pakistan. And i don`t blame you for that considering Pakistan`s successive governments.
Best,
Tmk
#40 Posted by Tmk on June 15, 2004 1:11:18 pm
Re 32 by Omar Qureshi: ``zahraJ you`re there almost -- try again -- hahaha -- as usual i will have to say zahra. what in god`s name r ya talking about? -- perhaps u should try interacting in urdu, u might actually make sense :) ``
Omar,
I don`t think thats a nice thing to say to ZahraJ. I haven`t read any of her recent posts, but i think you should look at her arguments and not at how she conveys them (even though that is imp as well).
I know that you went to Columbia and UChicago and all, but that doesn`t give you the right to make fun of ZahraJ`s English. You are also an editor at Dawn, so it doesn`t reflect nicely on you when you say such things. Just didn`t like what you said to ZahraJ about her English, so wanted to say my bit.
Omar,
I don`t think thats a nice thing to say to ZahraJ. I haven`t read any of her recent posts, but i think you should look at her arguments and not at how she conveys them (even though that is imp as well).
I know that you went to Columbia and UChicago and all, but that doesn`t give you the right to make fun of ZahraJ`s English. You are also an editor at Dawn, so it doesn`t reflect nicely on you when you say such things. Just didn`t like what you said to ZahraJ about her English, so wanted to say my bit.
#38 Posted by ZahraJ on June 15, 2004 7:07:54 am
Omar: Your main issue is that you write first and think afterwards. I hope that was simple enough for you to comprehend. Some of your editorials reflect the same immaturity that you display in your interacts. Why do not you watch ``Garfield`` since you love to act like a ferocious little cat ? You may end up learning a few techniques. By the way, I like Garfield. Kind Wishes.
#26 - It was your sweet post that made me stop by. I concur with your drift but I do not think that your suggestion will make much difference. Immaturity and lack of depth requires something else.
#26 - It was your sweet post that made me stop by. I concur with your drift but I do not think that your suggestion will make much difference. Immaturity and lack of depth requires something else.
#37 Posted by veeresh on June 15, 2004 6:46:47 am
Omar sahib . . . how does this sound, remind you of a statement made?
````A Sign of Things To Come? on April 29, 2004
Veeresh – that interactor was called a ‘moron’ not because he was a reader who was being looked down upon but because he had launched a personal attack and made all kinds of assumptions about what I had written and myself which were quite offensive – I don’t know why you’re being so touchy, why would I ever call you or anyone else on this site a moron – also, veeresh, may I remind you that please don’t keep making assumptions about people whom you have never met or know – I don’t need to tell you or other people how real or unreal my ‘journalistic pretensions’ are – I am afraid your statement that I would “simply not understand why travel on a train between India and Pakistan is…” is quite off the mark – of course it would be of interest to anyone, regardless of their ‘journalistic pretensions on the subject”, but the point I was trying to make was that it wouldn’t be of relevance if the idea is to write an article based on a TV show which was about an Indian film actress coming to Pakistan – and she didn’t come or leave by train – hahaha I don’t know or claim to know everything on the subject – don’t know why your feeling so touchy or personally offended – as for the young people in Pakistan whom you met, the ones who “don’t seem to care much about tv shows in Pakistan and reportage on them either”, well, that’s your opinion based on a trip by train to Pakistan – there is no ‘fit’ or un-‘fit’, just a traveller’s opinion – it would be dangerous to generalize from that – actually a lot of young people I know – and yes, they would travel by bus or by train (me and my wife plan to do that this summer) – would actually be quite interested in such shows – that’s precisely where I got the idea to do the article in the first place – godot: thanks for your observation – ````
````(me and my wife plan to do that this summer) ```` in case you missed it.
Omar Sahib, your slip shows so often, it has to be GOOD.
````A Sign of Things To Come? on April 29, 2004
Veeresh – that interactor was called a ‘moron’ not because he was a reader who was being looked down upon but because he had launched a personal attack and made all kinds of assumptions about what I had written and myself which were quite offensive – I don’t know why you’re being so touchy, why would I ever call you or anyone else on this site a moron – also, veeresh, may I remind you that please don’t keep making assumptions about people whom you have never met or know – I don’t need to tell you or other people how real or unreal my ‘journalistic pretensions’ are – I am afraid your statement that I would “simply not understand why travel on a train between India and Pakistan is…” is quite off the mark – of course it would be of interest to anyone, regardless of their ‘journalistic pretensions on the subject”, but the point I was trying to make was that it wouldn’t be of relevance if the idea is to write an article based on a TV show which was about an Indian film actress coming to Pakistan – and she didn’t come or leave by train – hahaha I don’t know or claim to know everything on the subject – don’t know why your feeling so touchy or personally offended – as for the young people in Pakistan whom you met, the ones who “don’t seem to care much about tv shows in Pakistan and reportage on them either”, well, that’s your opinion based on a trip by train to Pakistan – there is no ‘fit’ or un-‘fit’, just a traveller’s opinion – it would be dangerous to generalize from that – actually a lot of young people I know – and yes, they would travel by bus or by train (me and my wife plan to do that this summer) – would actually be quite interested in such shows – that’s precisely where I got the idea to do the article in the first place – godot: thanks for your observation – ````
````(me and my wife plan to do that this summer) ```` in case you missed it.
Omar Sahib, your slip shows so often, it has to be GOOD.
#36 Posted by veeresh on June 15, 2004 6:19:48 am
Omr Sahib/34, no Sir, I have not lost it, I am simply trying to be GOOD to you. While you work out what GOOD stands for in GOOD Karachi, here is a typical Kashmir holiday programme for you, should you wish to go when you are here for the CSE programme:-
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As for your promise to go walkabout in Pakistan, please go back to your interacts . . .
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Interim, both Indian Airlines and Jet Airways have doubled flight to Srinagar and Leh, and Air Sahara has launched a new service there. Indian Railways is air-lifting railway coaches for the new railway line using an AN-124, from Chennai to Srinagar. And as for road traffic, well traffic jams at Banihal are back.
Which world are you living in, Omar Sahib, with your wooohooo and hahahaha?
As for your promise to go walkabout in Pakistan, please go back to your interacts . . .
#35 Posted by omar_r_quraishi on June 15, 2004 5:32:13 am
#33-- hahhahaha u have finally lost it shri veeresh jee -- just read that post yourself and see what an ass u just made of yourself -- woo hooooooo
#34 Posted by hellbound on June 15, 2004 5:32:13 am
khassianee billi khamba nochay!
[with apologies to KK for syntax errors above] :)-
[with apologies to KK for syntax errors above] :)-
#33 Posted by veeresh on June 15, 2004 4:37:57 am
OK, here is a letter that I think should keep Omar Sahib content?
Hello Everybody, GOOD Evening! I am so glad to read such a GOOD article. It has so many new truths presented in such a GOOD manner. It is sad that this BAD thing happened in GOOD Karachi which is part of GOODER Sindh which is in GOODEST Pakistan.
The GOODESTEST media in Pakistan is correct. Such UNGOODLY things can not happen in GOOD Karachi.
Is this not a typical GOOD letter to Omar Sahib?
Hello Everybody, GOOD Evening! I am so glad to read such a GOOD article. It has so many new truths presented in such a GOOD manner. It is sad that this BAD thing happened in GOOD Karachi which is part of GOODER Sindh which is in GOODEST Pakistan.
The GOODESTEST media in Pakistan is correct. Such UNGOODLY things can not happen in GOOD Karachi.
Is this not a typical GOOD letter to Omar Sahib?
#32 Posted by omar_r_quraishi on June 15, 2004 3:32:17 am
zahraJ you`re there almost -- try again -- hahaha -- as usual i will have to say zahra. what in god`s name r ya talking about? -- perhaps u should try interacting in urdu, u might actually make sense :)
nikki: ``I think Mr.Omar Quraishi should be exiled to kavaratti, where the people are mild-mannered, polite and would never tolerate such shrill, defensive, foul-mouthed and abusive language or behaviour.... Such a hateful, petty person.``
nikki jee, u of all people writing this -- now if this isnt ``rank`` hypocrisy then i dont know what is
veeresh sahib there u go again with your ``rank`` lies: ``What happened to the report on your great travel Pakistan inner areas that you promised us way back in April?`` -- what report ???? i certainly didnt promise any interactor on chowk anything -- where do u make up these stories veeresh jee??? kahan say !!
veeresh again: ``You have still not answered the basic question - where was the Pakistani media with its bleating outrage for the past 2 or 3 decades? OK, that is a simple one, we know the answer, they were running away any time some half-literate kotwal/SHO gave them a shout. But then, what are they suddenly bleating for now?`` -- there u go again, asking explanations from people who are not obliged in any way to give you anything -- btw u sound like a grouchy grandfather veeresh sahib -- and by the way thanks for teh offer for being my tourist guide and taking me to J&K but i much rather walk into a mine field in anantnag or someplace than be `guided` by u --
tmk -- actually unfortunately so many ppl u meet believe in such crazy conspiracy theories -- not really that much of a surprise by the way
nikki: ``I think Mr.Omar Quraishi should be exiled to kavaratti, where the people are mild-mannered, polite and would never tolerate such shrill, defensive, foul-mouthed and abusive language or behaviour.... Such a hateful, petty person.``
nikki jee, u of all people writing this -- now if this isnt ``rank`` hypocrisy then i dont know what is
veeresh sahib there u go again with your ``rank`` lies: ``What happened to the report on your great travel Pakistan inner areas that you promised us way back in April?`` -- what report ???? i certainly didnt promise any interactor on chowk anything -- where do u make up these stories veeresh jee??? kahan say !!
veeresh again: ``You have still not answered the basic question - where was the Pakistani media with its bleating outrage for the past 2 or 3 decades? OK, that is a simple one, we know the answer, they were running away any time some half-literate kotwal/SHO gave them a shout. But then, what are they suddenly bleating for now?`` -- there u go again, asking explanations from people who are not obliged in any way to give you anything -- btw u sound like a grouchy grandfather veeresh sahib -- and by the way thanks for teh offer for being my tourist guide and taking me to J&K but i much rather walk into a mine field in anantnag or someplace than be `guided` by u --
tmk -- actually unfortunately so many ppl u meet believe in such crazy conspiracy theories -- not really that much of a surprise by the way
#31 Posted by ballukhan on June 15, 2004 3:32:16 am
--taking off from your point i would like to know the perception of the police in india and instances of police brutality in india against minorities, women, dalits etc --
You mis-understand! I am not into the comparison game- it is just that the atrocities by Indian police is well documented by Indian media and TV- infact the TV is also doing a very good job of exposing the police excesses in India- the communal face of Indian police in Gujrat and elsewhere is pathetically clear.
I am asking you to talk about YOURSELF because I have littel information about what the journalists are doing to expose the Pakistani police and military- or may be there is nothing to expose` since these two institutions are the cleanest and the sniffing journalist does not know where his snout is leading him to....................!!
You mis-understand! I am not into the comparison game- it is just that the atrocities by Indian police is well documented by Indian media and TV- infact the TV is also doing a very good job of exposing the police excesses in India- the communal face of Indian police in Gujrat and elsewhere is pathetically clear.
I am asking you to talk about YOURSELF because I have littel information about what the journalists are doing to expose the Pakistani police and military- or may be there is nothing to expose` since these two institutions are the cleanest and the sniffing journalist does not know where his snout is leading him to....................!!
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