Train to Pakistan 2004 - Broad Ways

intekhaab...

khamkhwa:

lagta hai ke agar mujhe panga kisi se lena ho tau tum se hi lena paRega!!! and i don`t know ghalib as well as you do. so there!

noori and sadna...

you two are giving away your ages ...like ghalib said..

shairoN ke intekhaan ne ruswa kiya mujhe...;)

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sadna #84.

i agree with you on preferring the older movies of Dharmender. really like anupama and chupke chupke. . .did you like `naya zamana`? that was pre Big B also wasn`t it? and that movie that has that song, `gaaDi bula rahi hai. . .` is it dost, or dosti or something like that? :)

My #70 was just jousting for madrasis. And lets hear no more on that topic or I will bring up Rekha as well :).

Waisey, I have always been the odd person out because unlike most everyone, I have always preferred Dharmendra to the big B. Not Dharmendra in the big B days, but the pre-big B Shola aur Shabnam, Anupama, Aankhen and Chupke Chupke days.

Veeresh jee:

i like the ignore button!

HP
You never hesitate to throw a fire cracker amongst the monkeys, do you? :D

ahmedzai,
I am not into ethinic fights or clashes I am against it , but some facts should be `sorted out and presented there should be someone to reply hp and I decided to reply this time`
as Punjabis are concerned they are as good Pakistanis as Urdu speakings,Baluchis and Phatans are -- the poor Punjabi is still bullyed by Zamindars and Chaudrys , the poor Sindi is tortured by a Wadera -- ( I know some of them , the servents of Wareda`s (landlord) can often not speak you all know why? there tounge are cut by the land lords so they don`t tell outsiders there domestic secrets and family life. So, what I mean is we should all realize the facts and remember one thing ` our real enemies are extremists and black sheeps like hp`

HP, labyrinth and Maryam:

I have read some responses. After reading HP`s post # 68, one can unfortunately but very safely hurl the same allegations on you as you did on Veeresh in your earlier post.

The current Government of Pakistan draws its support from PML, MQM and former PPP stalwarts (many people claim that MMA should also be included in this list as the `B` team). It goes to prove that all ethnicities are adequately represented and are striving to make Pakistan economically, socially and militarily a strong country of 140 million people.

As humans, we will be much better off avoiding posting ethno-centered hate posts and subsequently replying to the hate material.

#68 by HP on June 18, 2004 3:13pm PT

YOU HAVE SHOWN YOUR TRUE COLOUR -something I which was bound to happen --
as far as Pakistan is concern - you could not even imagine what it means to us -- Its best to ignore your comments --
secondly as my family is concerned -- I will tell you something
my great grandfather was a Judge in British India
my grandfather is a rtd. Lt.Gen and has been a Core Commander
my father and mother are noth PHd`s .. from a reputed university in US and now
running theer own business and teaching `biotech in Karachi`
families doesn`t matter -- its `what we do matters, and what people of urdu speaking families / memon speaking/ are still giving and had been giving to Pakistan is what matters not to you but to us -- I know hundreds of families who migarted frmo India just for the love of Pakistan --they were richiest of the peopel -- something you won`t understand -- as for being `landless` are concerned .. come to Karachi and Hyderabad `we own it now `

Gujjubani/76, well, I would like to answer your question in some detail, and in return, may I request you to rationalise some of your interacts here?

You need to consider that some level of equalisation of inertia levels is essential between neighbours. I mean, USA could not have been what it is without a Canada to the North of it, right?

As on date, my feedback impressions of Pakistan have been toned down somewhat, this is still only a written presentation, and the typical squeaks have begun reaching levels slightly higher. I am waiting to see what people will say when the movie version by a friend hits the circuit . . . as I keep telling people, the big difference to start with is to see the stark variation in live shots taken between Amritsar-Attari and Lahore-Wagah . . . if we can keep the almost 57 year old and loud wails of the ``Hai Mera/Saadaa Lahore`` types from blocking out all other sensory perceptions.

Barring a couple of urban centres, fact remains that most of Pakistan seems to be stuck in some sort of time warp. That`s the honest truth, and the big reason for this situation in Pakistan is that painting India as an enemy is the easiest way for their establishment to divert the attention of their own deprived people. (Establishment means the combination of military, mullah, media, feudal, informer and others)

So, towards trying to change that, since Pakistan now seems to have a multiple group of enemies none of whom are India, we in India need to work on better relationships with Pakistan. And the one big ticket there is simply economic. Cheaper 2-wheelers from India (at one-third the current price), cheaper buses (half), kick-starting local small enterprises. Win-win for all, except Mr. Fat Cat living off the feudal system in Pakistan.

Now when we state this, one loud minority screams about being patronised. But guess what, there is this silent majority in Pakistan too, and they quite like the idea of a better standard of living, if possible, and damn where it came from.

That`s my picture.

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nb/73 - well, ``rule the world`` means I don`t want to be apologetic as a people anymore. I also don`t want to be arrogant, either. I just want us to know that we are capable and content, as a people.

That`s how I define ``rule the world``.

I mean, let me put it this way, the UK-Ireland conflict, the Basque separatists, the USA-Cuba stand-off, the Innuit as a world people from 4 countries, the division of spoils from the Antarctic, the issues behind freedom of the Seas as controlled by the dominant Navies of the world . . . these have been around and are dangerous for the rest of the world too, right? So why is it that we as Indians & Pakistanis don`t get involved in being part of reconciliation for them?

``Rule the world`` means somehow India and Pakistan have to resolve issues themselves.

Veeresh, just a thought-what do you want to rule the world for? I`d be quite happy for India to just be left in peace.