Train to Pakistan 2004 - Broad Ways

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re:#40 by stuka
``Actually the people who do belong in cages are these Madrasis. when they stuff their black faces with rice using their hands, I am reminded of Langoors actually.``
Next time i stuff my hand with rice, i will save some from you.
And, BTW, did not all of human race evolve from Langoors? I thought you knew that. Your behavior does confirm my suspicions though.
Sridhar

Stuka #40:

``..I am reminded of Langoors actually. ``

That was totally uncalled for. What have the Langoors ever done to you?

#47 by hellbound on June 18, 2004 10:20am PT
”Foot in the mouth disease:”

My feeling is that Veeresh tends to make up stuff on the fly. I seriously doubt that he met any body more than a couple of Cab drivers while in Pakistan. He may have met a few Pakistanis on ships. He lacks the simple ability to analyze and understand the background of the people he meets.

He is a typical newspaperman that are found aplenty in Pakistan and India. This genre mostly is not well educated and is highly opinionated. Their know-it-all attitude makes them contradict themselves repeatedly.

I also think he posts after a couple of simla pegs in hot Delhi nights. In his drunken stupor in the evenings, he forgets what he wrote in the morning.


Niki!!
Stay the course!!

I have some more gems about Punjabis. Will post them soon.

re:#39 by harish_hyd
Agree with u entirely.
One thing people easily forget. Imagine how many thousands of Punjabee refugees invaded Delhi soon after partition. My gradfather, who lived in Delhi then, would say that the refugees had one policy at that time: beg, borrow or steal. Being an innovative and hard working people, they did not take time to settle down (compare this with the Pundits from Kashmir or the Tibetan refugees in India or even the Bangladeshis scattered around the country).

One incident my grandpa narrated is etched in my memory. There was this refugee outside his house. He wanted some water to drink. As my grandpa went to fetch water, the refugee walked away with a new sewing machine that grandpa had bought and which was in full view. Soon, the refugee could be seen stiching clothes for others and making a living in the neighbourhood! That sums up the Punjabi enterprise in nutshell. When my grandpa learnt about it, he just felt happy that the sewing machine was being put to good use!

I have seen refugees in my neighbourhood prosper slowly but surely. Many of my Punjabi friends (one of them visited my parents recently in Madras) have moved into business and are doing well. You will not find punjabees complain about govt not doing much. They just do not depend so much on the govt (unlike the Biharis, Bengalis or even Madrassis).
And, when was the last time u saw a Punjabi beg in the streets in India?

Today, majority of students getting into medicine, engineering in Delhi are punjabees. The younger generation are just outperforming Madrasis, and everyone else.
I think this debate about Punjabee versus Madrasi is just disgusting.
Sridhar

re:#32 by satyamvada
I think u are right!
It dawned on me too. Too late. I have given a befitting reply that should make this Nikki moron come to his/her senses.
Sridhar

re:#27 by nikki7777
What is the matter? Afraid to come into the open? Do u even know who your father is or is that a 777 (one less 7 there, for, i guess he would be less moronic than you are).
Sridhar

re:#19 by nb
You may want to get one thing clear. There is a difference between Indian Punjabis and their Paki counterparts. The latter, i concede, are a scum.
Sridhar

Nikki: I am a racist. HAHA!! Rich, coming from you. Are you going to burn yourself alive when Jayalalitha loses the next election???

more power to nikki...

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA;)

Foot in the mouth disease:

Consider the following as a classic case for Foot in the Mouth disease case study:

{Some of my best friends, in those days, were Pakistani seafarers. (Why they simply could not play 3-pattee or flash well is an endearing mystery to this day, though.)

HP/01 - on 3-pattee and Pakistanis, the one reason that I can think of is that the Pakistani shippie was, often, still getting the hang of booze, so after a while, started mis-judging the odds with low cards or kept going blind when others had strong ``open`` hands.

HP/1 and labrytnth1/18 . . . actually the Pakistanis I knew at sea in the `80s were of all sorts, and included standard issue Pakistanis, Goan Catholic Pakistanis, Parsee Pakistanis and Pakistanis who thought they were Arabs till we were all not allowed to go ashore in Dammam regardless after which they too became standard issue Pakistanis. Regardless, we Indians won a lot in 3-pattee, and after some time we stopped playing because it was not fair, and in any case there was a war going on outside.}

Ijaz and Omar:

The key to reading the above pearls of wisdom by Veeresh is to look for key words, like ``fair` (being an Indian virtue), `win` (any comments on this virtue will get Stuka all worked up so I will refrain from doing that), ``misjudging`` (reference to the Pakistani mindset), cultured (booze being the barometer), and the best part is the reference to a multi-cultural Pakistanis getting a taste of their own medicine when they got sobbered up after being denied a passage to Dammam.

Now consider this:

teen pattee or flush was in vogue in the early and mid-seventies...aunties used to play this when we were barely three foot tall. In mid-seventies, flush or teen pattee was the most favored game in most of the boarding schools, including, Pataro (sp) (which produced most of the merchant marines), Hassan Abdal, Lawerence College, and so on and so forth. Kid in these colleges used to play flush with chaar anna boot when the salary of a gazzetted officer was merely 400 or 500 rupees a month. I wonder what kind of ppl sailed with Veeresh sahib?

To Veeresh sahib:

I have checked with two merchant marines, Tahir Anwar and Amjad Rashid (both have consented to BE QUOTED, your contemparies) and they vehemently deny your claim of Pakistanis inability to play flush or their inability to handle liquor!

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Foot in the mouth disease:

Consider the following as a classic case for Foot in the Mouth disease case study:

{Some of my best friends, in those days, were Pakistani seafarers. (Why they simply could not play 3-pattee or flash well is an endearing mystery to this day, though.)

HP/01 - on 3-pattee and Pakistanis, the one reason that I can think of is that the Pakistani shippie was, often, still getting the hang of booze, so after a while, started mis-judging the odds with low cards or kept going blind when others had strong ``open`` hands.

HP/1 and labrytnth1/18 . . . actually the Pakistanis I knew at sea in the `80s were of all sorts, and included standard issue Pakistanis, Goan Catholic Pakistanis, Parsee Pakistanis and Pakistanis who thought they were Arabs till we were all not allowed to go ashore in Dammam regardless after which they too became standard issue Pakistanis. Regardless, we Indians won a lot in 3-pattee, and after some time we stopped playing because it was not fair, and in any case there was a war going on outside.}

Ijaz and Omar:

The key to reading the above pearls of wisdom by Veeresh is to look for key words, like ``fair` (being an Indian virtue), `win` (any comments on this virtue will get Stuka all worked up so I will refrain from doing that), ``misjudging`` (reference to the Pakistani mindset), cultured (booze being the barometer), and the best part is the reference to a multi-cultural Pakistanis getting a taste of their own medicine when they got sobbered up after being denied a passage to Dammam.

Now consider this:

teen pattee or flush was in vogue in the early and mid-seventies...aunties used to play this when we were barely three foot tall. In mid-seventies, flush or teen pattee was the most favored game in most of the boarding schools, including, Pataro (sp) (which produced most of the merchant marines), Hassan Abdal, Lawerence College, and so on and so forth. Kid in these colleges used to play flush with chaar anna boot when the salary of a gazzetted officer was merely 400 or 500 rupees a month. I wonder what kind of ppl sailed with Veeresh sahib?

To Veeresh sahib:

I have checked with two merchant marines, Tahir Anwar and Amjad Rashid (both have consented to BE QUOTED, your contemparies) and they vehemently deny your claim of Pakistanis inability to play flush or their inability to handle liquor!

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I find this Punjab-Madras debate laughable. Reminds me of the graduation days where the most common conversation topic is derision of each other`s states.

Anyways, since we are in this silly exercise, my 2 cents:

I think both Punjabis and Tams are a drag on India and here`s why:

Punjabis are loud mouthed, aggressive while Tams are snobbish and look down upon other regions

Punjabi made their cuisine synonymous with North Indian food (what the hell happened to the other regions) while Tams try to do the same to South Indian fool (though off late the other cuisines in South are giving Tams a run for their money)

Both Punjab and TamilNadu at different points of time want to seperate from India.

Both are lower riparian states but behave as if they own those rivers

Both supported British during 1857 war of Independence.


Cheers,
Avkrishna

P.S: Veeresh, I should say your other articles are better than this one. Nevertheless, it`s a great pleasure reading your travelogues. Waiting for the next one.

NHK/13, you are right Sir, and I am aware of some very interesting developments on co-existence lately, just hope the usual vested interests don`t damage the process again.

Rahulmal/16 . . . the evening at the opera and Islamabad Club kind of matched what my Pakistani friends used to talk about, Pakistan in the `80s or so, before Zia`s initiatives and the USA/USSR excursions. I was trying to place a connect here on the relationship between the changing world stage, the changing Pakistani stage and the opera stage. On technicalities of opera, never mind, this was actually a very solid classic rock musical with about the best acoustics I have heard in our part of the world lately. I was lucky enough to discuss this with the technical guys there, and hope to carry a separate article on that someday . . . obviously Bose Corp is popular in Pakistan too, but then I am going get hit on the head variously if I speak about a Bengali engineer based out of Massachussets?

takhta-ginee/17 . . . canoodling was on in the lawns between the Islamabad Club auditorium and the Club Road fence. Canoodling is very much alive and doing well in India too, which city do you wish to know about?

HP/1 and labrytnth1/18 . . . actually the Pakistanis I knew at sea in the `80s were of all sorts, and included standard issue Pakistanis, Goan Catholic Pakistanis, Parsee Pakistanis and Pakistanis who thought they were Arabs till we were all not allowed to go ashore in Dammam regardless after which they too became standard issue Pakistanis. Regardless, we Indians won a lot in 3-pattee, and after some time we stopped playing because it was not fair, and in any case there was a war going on outside.